Please Help Me Pick a New Compatible Graphics Card
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ghost101
March 14, 2013 5:08:10 AM
So, I recently go a cyberpowerPC computer as a birthday gift. Everything with the system is great and runs perfect, my only gripe if the graphics cards is a little to weak. Here are the system specs.
Processor 3.6 GHz FX-Series Quad-Core FX-4100
RAM 8 GB DDR3
Hard Drive 1024 GB SATA III
Graphics Coprocessor NVIDIA GT610
Graphics Card Ram Size 1024 MB
Number of USB 2.0 Ports 6
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Computer Memory Type DDR3 SDRAM
Hard Drive Interface Serial ATA-600
Hard Drive Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Optical Drive Type 24x DVD±RW
I am looking for a graphics card that will be a little better than this one, I looked on Amazon today, and this graphics card the computer came with is only like 40 bucks...I would like to get one with a bit more power. I like to play MMOs mainly, and am playing Star Wars The Old Republic right now, and it performs decent, but the game play can be a little to choppy, especially in higher player population areas.
Anyone have any suggestions?
Processor 3.6 GHz FX-Series Quad-Core FX-4100
RAM 8 GB DDR3
Hard Drive 1024 GB SATA III
Graphics Coprocessor NVIDIA GT610
Graphics Card Ram Size 1024 MB
Number of USB 2.0 Ports 6
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Computer Memory Type DDR3 SDRAM
Hard Drive Interface Serial ATA-600
Hard Drive Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Optical Drive Type 24x DVD±RW
I am looking for a graphics card that will be a little better than this one, I looked on Amazon today, and this graphics card the computer came with is only like 40 bucks...I would like to get one with a bit more power. I like to play MMOs mainly, and am playing Star Wars The Old Republic right now, and it performs decent, but the game play can be a little to choppy, especially in higher player population areas.
Anyone have any suggestions?
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gigantor21
March 14, 2013 5:14:45 AM
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ghost101
March 14, 2013 5:19:20 AM
Here is exactly what was bought from Amazon,
http://www.amazon.com/CyberpowerPC-Gamer-Ultra-GUA880-D...
I game with a 21.5" Asus monitor at 1920 × 1080
I would like to keep my cost as low as possible, I assume with my system I can not upgrade it to much higher without upgrading other componets as well, but for now the best bang for the buck that this system can handle without any issues would be best.
http://www.amazon.com/CyberpowerPC-Gamer-Ultra-GUA880-D...
I game with a 21.5" Asus monitor at 1920 × 1080
I would like to keep my cost as low as possible, I assume with my system I can not upgrade it to much higher without upgrading other componets as well, but for now the best bang for the buck that this system can handle without any issues would be best.
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gigantor21 said:
You have a specific budget in mind? What resolution are you playing at? Also, what kind of power supply does it have? Because I got a CyberPowerPC as a gift, too, and when I upgraded my card I had to replace the PSU because it was a piece of crap.
EzioAs said:
What's your power supply unit (specific model), resolution you're gaming at and as well as budget? It's good if you could link us to where you're buying it too. These information can help us give you better recommendations.+1 for both. Power supply and budget limitations would be a great info.
Also about the problem you said in the population areas, even I with the GTX570 have problems. In populated areas the game engine uses the cpu a lot so I with the Q6600 and you with the FX4100 (even when your CPU is superior to mine it's still not i5 sandybridge/ivybridge) have problems here. But don't worry you will notice huge difference if you buy an around $100 gpu.
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ghost101
March 14, 2013 5:33:55 AM
You mentioned PSU, I am not as skilled as you guys with abbreviations. I know what parts are what and how they function as well but not sure what PSU stands for. Sorry, I am still not a pro, but learning! I can spend up to $125 but prefer around $80 if possible lol. But that said, if spending 125 over 80 will grant much better results, I will spend the 125.
The link I posted to the amazon listing is the computer I have. I am not home so I can not look in the case. If the information is not stated on the Amazon listing with the info you need I can look online and see what I can find (maybe CyberpowerPC will have more details?).
The link I posted to the amazon listing is the computer I have. I am not home so I can not look in the case. If the information is not stated on the Amazon listing with the info you need I can look online and see what I can find (maybe CyberpowerPC will have more details?).
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Independent of the power supply and assuming you're running at 1080p, for MMO games, the minimum model of GPU I'd suggest is a GTX 660 ti.
I think you'll still get some choppy play in really busy areas occasionally because this is the nature of MMORPGs since they're heavily CPU-dependent and for other reasons that could exist on the server side. But when you upgrade to a better video card, you'll know it's not because of your video card and you'll be able to turn up the eye candy.
That being said... What is the make/model of the PSU?
I think you'll still get some choppy play in really busy areas occasionally because this is the nature of MMORPGs since they're heavily CPU-dependent and for other reasons that could exist on the server side. But when you upgrade to a better video card, you'll know it's not because of your video card and you'll be able to turn up the eye candy.
That being said... What is the make/model of the PSU?
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ghost101 said:
You mentioned PSU, I am not as skilled as you guys with abbreviations. I know what parts are what and how they function as well but not sure what PSU stands for. Sorry, I am still not a pro, but learning! I can spend up to $125 but prefer around $80 if possible lol. But that said, if spending 125 over 80 will grant much better results, I will spend the 125. The link I posted to the amazon listing is the computer I have. I am not home so I can not look in the case. If the information is not stated on the Amazon listing with the info you need I can look online and see what I can find (maybe CyberpowerPC will have more details?).
Then go with 7750. Its cheap, it doesn't use any 6pin PCI-Ex from the psu and it uses only about 50-60 watt. You will also notice great difference moving up from GT610. But I would love if you could find or ask at the place you bought it about the PSU info jus tto be sure.
edit: Power Supply: 500 Watt - AC 120/230 V ( 50/60 Hz) looks nice but we need info about the brand and the A on the 12V which they are connected to the GPU.
edit2: From a little research I did, the only 500watt PSU Cyberpower used is the Corsair CX500V2 which is a great quality and perforamance PSU. It should be able to power any GPU you will throw to it.
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ghost101
March 14, 2013 5:50:33 AM
Oh, well if the choppy gameplay in heavy populated areas in not due to the graphic card, perhaps I have no real need to upgrade it? Does anyone have suggestions to help increase gameplay from the occassional choppy feel when in a major area with high population? My brothers system runs just fine the the heavy popluation areas, my system makes it annoying to run through and causes my stress when turning here and there lol. I was want a smoother gameplay experince, the look of the graphics are ok, its the laggy/choopy feel I get that drives me nuts.
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ghost101 said:
Oh, well if the choppy gameplay in heavy populated areas in not due to the graphic card, perhaps I have no real need to upgrade it? Does anyone have suggestions to help increase gameplay from the occassional choppy feel when in a major area with high population? My brothers system runs just fine the the heavy popluation areas, my system makes it annoying to run through and causes my stress when turning here and there lol. I was want a smoother gameplay experince, the look of the graphics are ok, its the laggy/choopy feel I get that drives me nuts.If your brother's PC runs fine when yours doesn't, then you know it's not something server related. A GPU upgrade is a good option.
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ghost101
March 14, 2013 5:53:06 AM
ghost101
March 14, 2013 5:55:50 AM
ghost101
March 14, 2013 6:02:04 AM
If I am having choppy play in some areas of the game, will a better graphics card even help? I did manage to find the 7750 graphics card on Amazon, is this the right one?
http://www.amazon.com/HIS-H775F1GD-Displayport-Express-...
http://www.amazon.com/HIS-H775F1GD-Displayport-Express-...
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ghost101 said:
Also, once again, I do not know what a PSU is. I mentioned that I do not know what that means, and people keep asking about it, I am unsure what that is.ghost101 said:
All I know is it says 500W power supply (I am guess PSU means power supply unit? Please do not judge if I am wrong lol). I am not at home so I can not look at the brand right now, but does brand really matter? Is the watt not only what we need? 500w?I read some comments and there was a person that upgrade to 7750 with no problems.
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I don't think a graphics card as low as a 7750 is going to give you what you're expecting. From a gaming standpoint, it's not a whole lot of an upgrade.
What kind of processor and graphics card does your brother have? If you want smooth performance like your brother has, I'd ask him what his running with.
What kind of processor and graphics card does your brother have? If you want smooth performance like your brother has, I'd ask him what his running with.
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ghost101 said:
If I am having choppy play in some areas of the game, will a better graphics card even help? I did manage to find the 7750 graphics card on Amazon, is this the right one?http://www.amazon.com/HIS-H775F1GD-Displayport-Express-...
Yes thats the right one
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ghost101
March 14, 2013 6:12:24 AM
It's not going to help. You'll be going from not good gaming performance in the GTX 610 to a little better than not good gaming performance in a Radeon 7750. It's just not going to meet your expectation.
Have you tried turning details down in game?
What processor and video card does your brother run with? The reason I ask is this level of performance seems to be your expectation of performance in an upgrade.
Have you tried turning details down in game?
What processor and video card does your brother run with? The reason I ask is this level of performance seems to be your expectation of performance in an upgrade.
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ubercake said:
I don't think a graphics card as low as a 7750 is going to give you what you're expecting. From a gaming standpoint, it's not a whole lot of an upgrade.What kind of processor and graphics card does your brother have? If you want smooth performance like your brother has, I'd ask him what his running with.
Well he wants to play MMO like SWTOR. And 7750 has enough horsepower to play the game at 1080p, maximum settings without AA.

5770 has same power with 7750.
And also about the psu the fact that I am not sure what is it. But its capable of supplying a 7750. Also with a prefereable $80 budget and max $125, I can't see a better solution.
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ghost101
March 14, 2013 6:22:18 AM
I understand your point, he is running something much higher end, around $200-$250 in cost, AMD true color 2GB 7850 I think (It is somethin g like that, not sure excatly).
HOWEVER, what I was not saying this for is because I do not need as much power as he does. He plays higher end games, I play more casual MMO games. He can play games like Skyrim on higher settings. I have no problem paying more for a better card, but I want to make sure my computer will not catch on fire or the new GPU not work with my system. I am looking for the best priced best graphics card that will work with my computer. I do not need to play Crysis 3 on this system, just higher end MMOs is all I really like.
HOWEVER, what I was not saying this for is because I do not need as much power as he does. He plays higher end games, I play more casual MMO games. He can play games like Skyrim on higher settings. I have no problem paying more for a better card, but I want to make sure my computer will not catch on fire or the new GPU not work with my system. I am looking for the best priced best graphics card that will work with my computer. I do not need to play Crysis 3 on this system, just higher end MMOs is all I really like.
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ubercake said:
It's not going to help. You'll be going from not good gaming performance in the GTX 610 to a little better than not good gaming performance in a Radeon 7750. It's just not going to meet your expectation.Have you tried turning details down in game?
What processor and video card does your brother run with? The reason I ask is this level of performance seems to be your expectation of performance in an upgrade.
I think he will notice the difference from a 400% performance jump, LOL.
The GeForce GT 610 card is a rebranded GeForce GT 520. They are both GF119. Now lets see the difference from a 7750 with their latest drivers.

6% vs 23%.
23/6= 3,84 = 384%.
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ghost101 said:
I understand your point, he is running something much higher end, around $200-$250 in cost, AMD true color 2GB 7850 I think (It is somethin g like that, not sure excatly). HOWEVER, what I was not saying this for is because I do not need as much power as he does. He plays higher end games, I play more casual MMO games. He can play games like Skyrim on higher settings. I have no problem paying more for a better card, but I want to make sure my computer will not catch on fire or the new GPU not work with my system. I am looking for the best priced best graphics card that will work with my computer. I do not need to play Crysis 3 on this system, just higher end MMOs is all I really like.
7750 will also play with good visuals the Guild Wars 2:

And this was in beta. there should be more fps right now.
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Memnarchon said:
ubercake said:
It's not going to help. You'll be going from not good gaming performance in the GTX 610 to a little better than not good gaming performance in a Radeon 7750. It's just not going to meet your expectation.Have you tried turning details down in game?
What processor and video card does your brother run with? The reason I ask is this level of performance seems to be your expectation of performance in an upgrade.
I think he will notice the difference from a 400% performance jump, LOL.
The GeForce GT 610 card is a rebranded GeForce GT 520. They are both GF119. Now lets see the difference from a 7750 with their latest drivers.

6% vs 23%.
23/6= 3,84 = 384%.
Relative performance is already expressed in relative percentage differences.
How about 23%-6%=17% relative performance difference.
He'll be getting 17% less choppiness in the performance? Or 17% more frames per second? What story does this tell?
The bar charts with FPS make a lot more sense. If 40fps minimums in MMORPGs are acceptable, and mind you these tests are done with i7 3960X processors overclocked to 4.2GHz (probably not necessary, though they want to eliminate the possibility of a bottleneck altogether when testing video card performance) on an X79 architecture, then by all means the 7750 will make some sort of difference. I'm sure these numbers will be a little different on OPs architecture.
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ghost101
March 14, 2013 6:54:50 AM
ghost101 said:
I am able to spend more than my budget if the performance is much better, but I would like to be CERTAIN it will work with my system and that my system does not burn up or get messed up from having a graphics card that is to high end.What are your framerates now? You can download FRAPs for free and measure this:
http://www.fraps.com/download.php
Play a Star Wars online and compare those numbers to the charts Memnarchon posted. This will give you a general idea of the difference it would make going to the 7750.
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ghost101
March 14, 2013 7:11:49 AM
The price of the 7750 is fair for me, but I would like the performance to be noticable over the current card thesystem came with. Would it be a better option to get the 7770 GPU? I see that it is no to much at 119.99 on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-DisplayPort-PCI-Expres...
Is this the right one? Will my PSU of 500W be able to handle it? Should I get the 7770 or the 7750? Will it even make much difference?
http://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-DisplayPort-PCI-Expres...
Is this the right one? Will my PSU of 500W be able to handle it? Should I get the 7770 or the 7750? Will it even make much difference?
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ghost101
March 14, 2013 7:19:35 AM
Yes, I can afford the 7770, can anyone confirm that it will be fine with my 500w PSU and that this is the one I need to get from Amazon?
http://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-DisplayPort-PCI-Expres...
I want to be certain it will work with the system and that it is the right one on the link.
http://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-DisplayPort-PCI-Expres...
I want to be certain it will work with the system and that it is the right one on the link.
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ubercake said:
Relative performance is already expressed in relative percentage differences.How about 23%-6%=17% relative performance difference.
He'll be getting 17% less choppiness in the performance? Or 17% more frames per second? What story does this tell?
The bar charts with FPS make a lot more sense. If 40fps minimums in MMORPGs are acceptable, and mind you these tests are done with i7 3960X processors overclocked to 4.2GHz (probably not necessary, though they want to eliminate the possibility of a bottleneck altogether when testing video card performance) on an X79 architecture, then by all means the 7750 will make some sort of difference. I'm sure these numbers will be a little different on OPs architecture.
Well I wouldn't expect someone not to be able to understand this simple chart. This chart is about GTX Titan and comparing them with other available gpus. So if Titan has 100fps in a game then, 7750 would have 23fps and GT610(rebranded GT520) would have 6fps. I hope we can all understand that from 6fps to 23fps is 384%. Now you will ask why to take a Titan review as an example? Well this is the latest adittion to the gpus so it uses the latest drivers and the latest patches from games. And this chart is the summary of like 20 games.
ghost101 said:
I am able to spend more than my budget if the performance is much better, but I would like to be CERTAIN it will work with my system and that my system does not burn up or get messed up from having a graphics card that is to high end.ghost101 said:
The price of the 7750 is fair for me, but I would like the performance to be noticable over the current card thesystem came with. Would it be a better option to get the 7770 GPU? I see that it is no to much at 119.99 on Amazon.http://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-DisplayPort-PCI-Expres...
Is this the right one? Will my PSU of 500W be able to handle it? Should I get the 7770 or the 7750? Will it even make much difference?
Well I could say to you to look for 7770 or the 650ti for more $$$ and performance but I am not sure even if your psu has a pci-ex connector.
EzioAs said:
If you can afford the 7770, get it. I'm quite certain your system will still be able to handle it.If his psu is the CX500 V2 he can even run a 7870, but I am not sure. But if he does then +1 to EzioAs the 7770 is a good option.
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ghost101
March 14, 2013 7:34:02 AM
ghost101 said:
All I can tell from the listing regarding the PSU is the following,Power Supply: 500 Watt - AC 120/230 V ( 50/60 Hz)
If it is not the Corsair CX500 should I not get the 7770?
You can't be sure. If its branded then it should be able 99% to run a 7770.
If not you need to check it by yourself. You need a 6pin PCI-ex connector for certain. Can you see this or ask your borther to check it?
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ghost101
March 14, 2013 7:51:36 AM
I will not be able to confirm any of that information for a few hours, as i am not at home. How will I be able to identify the 6 pin PCI-ex connector? I was under the impression the new GPU would fit in the slot of the current one? I will confirm the PSU when I get home, but the 6-pin PCI slot should be what my current card is on correct?
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ghost101 said:
I will not be able to confirm any of that information for a few hours, as i am not at home. How will I be able to identify the 6 pin PCI-ex connector? I was under the impression the new GPU would fit in the slot of the current one? I will confirm the PSU when I get home, but the 6-pin PCI slot should be what my current card is on correct?Your GPU atm doesn't use any. 29TDP only If your psu has one, you will use it to power 7770. This is how a 6pin PCI-eX connector looks like:

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ghost101
March 14, 2013 8:14:36 AM
ghost101
March 14, 2013 12:28:49 PM
ghost101
March 14, 2013 1:15:57 PM
Would getting these two items (PSU and GPU) increase my performance?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Should i not go with the 600w?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Should i not go with the 600w?
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ghost101 said:
Would getting these two items (PSU and GPU) increase my performance?http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Should i not go with the 600w?
There is no need for the 600w. Its an overkill for your system even if you had the GTX680.
After this I can see that you have 2 options.
1st Keep the psu and buy HIS iCooler H775F1GD Radeon HD 7750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5. $89.99
2nd Buy CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 and SAPPHIRE 100358L Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5. $109.99 + $59.99 = $169.98
Personally I would prefer the 2nd choice becuase it will get you better gpu, great psu (which in my opinion should be something that it would be your first choice when you buying a new pc) and the possibility for future upgrades
.The 1st choice has better value for money though....
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ghost101 said:
The PSU is Turbolink
Model: ATX-TL500W-BK
Since it is not the corsair CX500, I assume I will have issues?
This is from a user at amazon:
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By rtizzer Amazon Verified Purchase
*EDIT* All of those bad reviews, the ones on ALL the cyberpower pc's on amazon, I know what those all are. There is literally only ONE thing very bad about this computer, the power supply. It's a crappy power supply and fails very often, people should be partly blaming cyberpower for this, but not completely. Yes, cyberpower should have made a better choice in the power supply for this build, but it's also the fault of the people who made those reviews, they didn't do enough research, didn't check what kind of power supply and look up reviews on it. Which are all horrible. I had one of the same problems, random shutting down. But unlike them, I didn't give up and return the computer only to get another one with another fualty power supply. I looked into the problem, replaced the power supply with a 40 dollar 500w one by cooler master.
Now, I don't know how accurate his opinion is but he has 80 out of 85 people agree with him.
So, after this, the 2nd option is far more preferable for me.
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ghost101
March 14, 2013 1:51:49 PM
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March 14, 2013 2:41:36 PM
Curious, is this version of the GPU better than the sapphire one? iIt is only 10 bucks more, and someone post on a different forum saying it was a bit better.
http://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-DisplayPort-PCI-Expres...
is it acctually better? or no?
http://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-DisplayPort-PCI-Expres...
is it acctually better? or no?
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ghost101 said:
Sucks I have to do the cable management all over again, but I think I will do option 2 as you guys have suggested. Thank you for your exceptional help Memarchon you help has been great!Happy to help
ghost101 said:
Curious, is this version of the GPU better than the sapphire one? iIt is only 10 bucks more, and someone post on a different forum saying it was a bit better.http://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-DisplayPort-PCI-Expres...
is it acctually better? or no?
Well they have the same clocks so I don't know why they said that powercolor's version is better...
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ghost101
March 15, 2013 4:17:00 AM
Would I get the same results with the powercolor version? I ask becaise I have Prime membership on Amazon and for the extra 10 bucks I would prefer the 2 day ship time (new egg is like 22 dollars for 2 day ship). I would prefer to buy them off Amazon, as it would get to me faster and less cost. Is there even a different with Sapphire and powercolor? Can I use either or?
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ghost101
March 15, 2013 4:50:02 AM
Memnarchon said:
ghost101 said:
Sucks I have to do the cable management all over again, but I think I will do option 2 as you guys have suggested. Thank you for your exceptional help Memarchon you help has been great!Happy to help
ghost101 said:
Curious, is this version of the GPU better than the sapphire one? iIt is only 10 bucks more, and someone post on a different forum saying it was a bit better.http://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-DisplayPort-PCI-Expres...
is it acctually better? or no?
Well they have the same clocks so I don't know why they said that powercolor's version is better...
Would I get the same results with the powercolor version? I ask becaise I have Prime membership on Amazon and for the extra 10 bucks I would prefer the 2 day ship time (new egg is like 22 dollars for 2 day ship). I would prefer to buy them off Amazon, as it would get to me faster and less cost. Is there even a different with Sapphire and powercolor? Can I use either or?
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