AMD 8A-5500 APUwith Radeon HD7560D card

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running core temp of 80+ when playing Sims 3 game with 2 expansion packs what fan should I get to increase cooling and some advice on a better graphics card this is a HP p-7 1414 desktop
 
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I hope your hard drive is operable. I just recovered from a complete fail.

It's always good to look at things from every angle. What may help you now is your level of memory dedicated for graphics. I would suggest 1GB but you might be able to go higher. It is possible for the graphics memory to be set as low as 32MB!

You should be able to change your graphics memory either: 1) In your BIOS; or maybe 2) AMD Vision Control Center or 3) Whatever utility came with your system. This is from the AMD Vision ...
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You have the AMD Radeon HD 7660D with a standard clock speed of 760MHz - just like mine. The graphics core clock can drop to 300MHz...

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Most discrete graphics cards offer more performance than the Intergrated graphics offered by your APU...
A HD 7750 or GTX 650 would be an large improvement. For Sims 3, you probably wouldn't need much more, though you could get a GTX 650 Ti or HD 7770 for a bit more head room.
Just using a discrete gpu will probably cut your cpu temps as it offloads the work to off the chip.
 
The best card you can install is the Radeon HD 7750 due to the 300w PSU. This is deactivate the integrated graphics card. That should help lower the A8's temperature.

The cheapest Radeon HD 7750 (at least from Newegg) is $70 after a $20 rebate, however it uses the slower DDR3 RAM. But you also get Far Cry 3 for free which you can give away if it's not your type of game.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131481

For $88 after a rebate you can buy a Radeon HD 7750 with DDR5.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121633

The performance difference between the DDR3 and DDR5 version of the Radeon HD 7750 is probably between 7% - 10%. The Sims 3 is not that demanding so the slower version would still be fine.


If you are looking for a relatively inexpensive, but good heatsink, then consider the CoolerMaster 212 plus

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065


 
I wouldn't do anything until the Richland APU comes out in a week or so. I suspect your HP will support it.

If you have 6GB of RAMs, it would help to know the configuration and speed. If you have 3 sticks, you may be running in single-channel, and by removing one stick, may actually run faster.

The APU 7560D graphics is the little brother of the HD7660D. The 7560D has 256 cores and a lower 760MHz clock speed (as opposed to 384 cores and a 800MHz clock speed for the 7660D).

The OEM HSF on the 65w Trinity APUs are really dinky. Something like the CM Vortex Plus RR-VTPS-28PK-R1 92mm should work just dandy. I'd measure that side vent across from the HSF on the CPU and consider screwing-on an 80mm fan to pull cool air, too.

I'd also try to find a utility like AMD OverDrive and see if you can unlock the HD7560D clock. Even though the Trinity CPU Piledriver cores and clock are locked, the Radeon clock is not. Clock boosts of 200MHz+ are not uncommon.

If you can't clock the Radeon clock, your motherboard is defective and you should purchase an MSI A75MA E35 FM2 as a maintenance replacement, and do a fresh OS install.



 

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thanks for all the info i'm not real up on all the technical issues of computing especially related to gaming :eek:verheating cards ect.but all this info does give me some ideas as to were to start. this may sound dumb, but i'm learning, how is a heat sink different from a fan? don't know how to clock a card could someone send me some info? thought I would at least start with replacing my 300 w with a 500 w but will defiantly check into the the heatsink and the 7750 and 7660 I have only 4 rams is this a big problem?
 

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were should I start 1 st? new card or cooling ? really concerned with the heat issue and sounds like both will help and will do both I reread some of the info and if I am right I should get a better cooling system before the card
 

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6GB of RAMs likely means you have 3x2GB sticks in 4 DIMM slots on the motherboard. An odd number of sticks will not operate in dual-channel.

The 4 DIMM slots are divided in 2 banks of 2. You may try installing 1 stick of RAM in each bank, and see if this improves performance. The graphics on the Trinity APU is highly dependent on memory performance, and dual-channel may provide 5%+ in performance gains in some instances.

Download the AOD utility from above. It will at a minimum provide a platform for you to learn about your computer. If we are lucky, it may allow you to increase the graphics clock rate.



 

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I was looking at the system requirements for the AOD utility and don't see my chipset if they are talking in terms of it being a radeon found my chipset name AMD A75FCH and not on their list as supported
 
I wouldn't bother trying to upgrade to the Richland APU as suggested by Wisecracker. You will get better gaming performance simply by installing a graphics card. Note sure how "powerful" the integrated graphics core in Richland will be but I will bet is slower than the Radeon HD 6670. A new Richland APU will also cost more than the Radeon HD 7750 I suggested in my prior post which will give you a significant increase in game performance.

As a comparison, the Radeon HD 7560D in your A8-5500 APU is less powerful than a Radeon HD 5570. So buying a Radeon HD 7750 will be a very significant increase performance; even the cheaper / slower version running with DDR3 VRAM.

Richland APU should offer better CPU and integrated graphics performance than your Trinity APU. But the Sims 3 is not particularly CPU demanding, and as mentioned before, the increase in integrated graphics performance may be significant for an integrated solution, but it does not compare to an actual discrete graphics card.

For example, the Intel HD 4000 in Ivy Bridge CPUs is on average 35% more powerful than the previous Intel HD 3000 graphics core. Sounds impressive, right? However, that is basically going from the performance of a Radeon HD 5450 to a approximately 85% - 90% performance of a Radeon HD 5550. The Radeon HD 5550 is not even considered a "gaming card".

The integrated performance of Trinity's integrated graphics is a little more than a 17% increase over Llano's (Trinity's predecessor) integrated graphics. That is based on a post I made probably around 2 or 3 weeks ago using around 23 game benchmark results. Wisecracker didn't believe that, but all he really needed to was click the link I provided which had all the benchmark results and do some number crunching in Excel. That is not to say that Richland's integrated graphics performance will only increase by 17%, but it will inferior to a Radeon HD 6670 (aka Radeon HD 7670; just a different name).

For reference, Trinity's most powerful integrated graphics is the Radeon HD 7660D and it is approximately 10% - 15% more powerful than the Radeon HD 5570; which is also not considered a "gaming card".
 
As for what you should upgrade 1st, I would go with the Radeon HD 7750. It will be cheaper than upgrading to a Richland APU and you will get a much larger increase in performance. But I think the Sims 3 limits frame rates to 30 so you will not actually be able to see how powerful the Radeon HD 7750 really with a game like the Sims 3. However, the DDR3 version of Radeon HD 7750 which I linked to comes with a coupon code for Far Cry 3. If you really want to see the difference in performance between your current integrated graphics and the HD 7750, then redeem the coupon, download and install the game and try playing it. The difference will be day and night.

Because installing the Radeon HD 7750 will deactivate the graphics core in your A8-5500 APU, the temperature should also drop. If it drops low enough to something that you feel comfortable with, then you do not need to install a 3rd party heatsink. Otherwise, if the temperature is still too high, then go ahead and buy the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus which I suggested in my 1st post.
 

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thanks for the info will go to the link u provided and see what happens I am a little surprised with the issues I am having with the sims3 I didn't think it was as demanding as it is bought this computer because my other one couldn't handle it at all but it was just a 2 Gb and needed to upgrade anyway thanks to all u for the info ill get back when I see what happens I was thinking at least getting a case fan also would be good
 
Something else that might be causing your Trinity APU to run bit is that it has been confirmed that even though the games only displays 30 frames per second on the screen max, the game maximizes the number of frames the graphics core can render regardless what is being displayed.

Simply stated, even if the Sims 3 uses the graphics card to it's maximum performance (like say rendering at 70 frames per second), it only display at most 30 frames per second on the screen. An analogy would be putting your car in neutral while parked, and flooring the gas pedal. You are going nowhere, but the car's engine is running at full tilt wasting gas. For the graphics card it will be wasting electricity and producing more heat than necessary.

Click the following link for a solution that will seems to fix that issue.

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,15585.0.html
 

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i checked into this and working on it but says I have to install a mod called "nointro" for it to work can't get the folder unzipped???? it is a package file at a standstill now I installed 7zip and got no were but thanks for the info going to continue to work on the "moreawesome" download that sounds like it might help
 

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I'd recommend applying a fresh coating of Thermal Paste. Kinda surprised no body suggested it o_O
 


Your chipset is a **AMD Hudson-D3**

I have a 65w Trinity APU. I don't believe your temps are an issue. Remove your side panel, and put a load on your APU. Place your finger on the side of the HSF assembly to check for heat -- it likely will not be warm.

Verify that you are running your memory in dual channel.



 

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