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March 20, 2013 3:56:01 PM

This will be my fist build and wanted to know if all my parts are compatible and are just good or bad and if i should get something else:

here is what i have so far

CPU: i5-3570k, $219.99

Motherboard: AsRock z77 Extreme4,???????????, $134.99

GPU: Sapphire Radeon vapor-x hd 7970 ghz edition,, $499.99

Hard drive: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB, $94.63

Case: Cool master storm stryker full tower,???????????, $169.99

RAM: Corsair Vengeance Blue 8GB (2x4GB), $52.99

PSU: Corsair HX 750Watt, $119.99

OS: Windows 7 64bit, $91.17

The specs with the ???????? behind them mean that i'm skeptical and need some help on knowing if they will work with the rest of the system.

I also need some advise on a SSD and a CD/DVD drive, i don't really burn cd's or dvd's so i was thinking a ROM maybe but idk. All opinions are accepted, please share:) 

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March 20, 2013 3:57:34 PM

Oh and is a full tower necessary
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March 20, 2013 4:15:12 PM

for cd-rom drives get a combo burner there same price as a rom drive (15-20) online. for ssd use 840 or intel they have the best firmware and drives out there. full size case on first build will give you extra room to work inside the case. you may need to get a pci power ext cable if the one from the ps is to short to reach going from the back of the mb tray.
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March 20, 2013 4:22:10 PM

with only 1 graphics card and 1 hdd a full tower is overkill. shoot for a $70-100 mid tower (most are plenty large for additional hardware anyway) and see if you could get a 128gb ssd drive into your budget (if needed downsize you ps too 650w corsair enthusiast).
so say the 650w corsair enthusiast for 79.99 and Thermaltake Commander Series mid tower for 49.99 that's 150 you could spend on a 128-256 gb ssd.
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March 20, 2013 4:22:50 PM

Whats a good brand for a burner and how about this ssd "Samsung 840 Series 2.5 inch 120GB" its about a $100 on amazon. I was also looking at the CM Storm Scout 2 mid tower in Gun metal and White, should i get that instead but downsize to a mid tower.
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March 20, 2013 4:24:26 PM

Full tower isn't close to nessicary, and you shouldn't pay more than $100 max for a case unless you've got a specific need.

For the ssd, get a Samsung 840 pro, OCZ Vector, Samsung 830, OCZ Vertex 4, in that order. As for the DVD drive, check if you even need one. Windows can be installed from a USB stick, and I know I don't use CDs anymore.

Only other thing is that you're overpaying like crazy for that 7970 - you should only pay about $400 for the non-ghz edition, and can then overclock it to 1GHz with ease.

(Oh, and you really only need a 550w power supply. Just saying.)
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March 20, 2013 4:30:00 PM

DarkSable said:
Full tower isn't close to nessicary, and you shouldn't pay more than $100 max for a case unless you've got a specific need.

For the ssd, get a Samsung 840 pro, OCZ Vector, Samsung 830, OCZ Vertex 4, in that order. As for the DVD drive, check if you even need one. Windows can be installed from a USB stick, and I know I don't use CDs anymore.

Only other thing is that you're overpaying like crazy for that 7970 - you should only pay about $400 for the non-ghz edition, and can then overclock it to 1GHz with ease.

(Oh, and you really only need a 550w power supply. Just saying.)


Ok well what about a Cooler Master Storm Scout 2, will the card fit in there, and for the SSD is a "Samsung 840 Series 2.5 inch 120GB" good or should i get the PRO version and about the GPU im still not sure about OC-ing, but i might and what Sapphire vapor-x 7970 is not GHz edition
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March 20, 2013 4:37:43 PM

IMASHERIFF said:
Ok well what about a Cooler Master Storm Scout 2, will the card fit in there, and for the SSD is a "Samsung 840 Series 2.5 inch 120GB" good or should i get the PRO version and about the GPU im still not sure about OC-ing, but i might and what Sapphire vapor-x 7970 is not GHz edition


The card will fit fine in there just fine. I'd avoid the non-pro version, as it uses the less reliable form of NAND.

As for the Sapphire vapor-x, if you aren't overclocking especially, it's absolutely overkill. Gigabyte makes a GREAT 7970 with a three fan cooler for $399.

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March 20, 2013 4:48:09 PM

DarkSable said:
IMASHERIFF said:
Ok well what about a Cooler Master Storm Scout 2, will the card fit in there, and for the SSD is a "Samsung 840 Series 2.5 inch 120GB" good or should i get the PRO version and about the GPU im still not sure about OC-ing, but i might and what Sapphire vapor-x 7970 is not GHz edition


The card will fit fine in there just fine. I'd avoid the non-pro version, as it uses the less reliable form of NAND.

As for the Sapphire vapor-x, if you aren't overclocking especially, it's absolutely overkill. Gigabyte makes a GREAT 7970 with a three fan cooler for $399.



cool ill check it out and hypothetically if i were to ever OC would you still suggest the gigabyte version?
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March 20, 2013 4:59:41 PM

What monitor are you running? Because a $300+ GPU is absolutely wasted on a 1920x1080 resolution, which is most 20-24" monitors. Your standard shooter made first for consoles and ported to be a PC can run 60 FPS at the highest setting with a sub-$200 card at that resolution. I know this from personal experience. There are a small handful of games that demand more hardware for more powerful settings... actually, really just Crysis 3. Other games will have "golden toupee" settings that are incredibly resource intensive for a slightly shinier and smoother appearance, but for my money I'd get a SDD which will GREATLY increase load times and startup time and a more reasonable GPU.

Obviously, if you are planning on using a 3 monitor display or a "4K" monitor it makes sense to buy the premium GPU, but modern PC games just aren't demanding as much as modern PC hardware can give.

Also, a case tends to be the most future proof component you can buy, so I recommend you spend extra to get a case you think looks great, is easy to build with, and has good air flow/accoustics.
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March 20, 2013 5:03:35 PM

Greatatlantic said:
What monitor are you running? Because a $300+ GPU is absolutely wasted on a 1920x1080 resolution, which is most 20-24" monitors. Your standard shooter made first for consoles and ported to be a PC can run 60 FPS at the highest setting with a sub-$200 card at that resolution. I know this from personal experience. There are a small handful of games that demand more hardware for more powerful settings... actually, really just Crysis 3. Other games will have "golden toupee" settings that are incredibly resource intensive for a slightly shinier and smoother appearance, but for my money I'd get a SDD which will GREATLY increase load times and startup time and a more reasonable GPU.

Obviously, if you are planning on using a 3 monitor display or a "4K" monitor it makes sense to buy the premium GPU, but modern PC games just aren't demanding as much as modern PC hardware can give.

Also, a case tends to be the most future proof component you can buy, so I recommend you spend extra to get a case you think looks great, is easy to build with, and has good air flow/accoustics.


Oh well i am running at 1920x1080p
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March 20, 2013 5:05:00 PM

IMASHERIFF said:
cool ill check it out and hypothetically if i were to ever OC would you still suggest the gigabyte version?

For $100 less? Of course. That's a pretty high premium for a slightly better cooler - gigabyte's is still quite good.

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What monitor are you running? Because a $300+ GPU is absolutely wasted on a 1920x1080 resolution, which is most 20-24" monitors. Your standard shooter made first for consoles and ported to be a PC can run 60 FPS at the highest setting with a sub-$200 card at that resolution. I know this from personal experience. There are a small handful of games that demand more hardware for more powerful settings... actually, really just Crysis 3. Other games will have "golden toupee" settings that are incredibly resource intensive for a slightly shinier and smoother appearance, but for my money I'd get a SDD which will GREATLY increase load times and startup time and a more reasonable GPU.


The case depends on how you build - for example, I personally upgrade by making a new build with a new concept, and I sell off all my old parts.

As for the "premium" gpu, well... it depends on what you want to do. Yes, you can max out the games that are easy to max out with a 660. Big whoop. If you're an enthusiast, spending $400 on a graphics card is not at all unreasonable, because you DO play those games that are hard to max. (And as for modern hardware being more power than modern games can use, well... that's just flat out wrong. There are plenty of games out there that won't max out at 60fps with a single card aside from a Titan.)
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March 20, 2013 5:07:05 PM

Well i just looked at the gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB and it seemed to be practicly the same at the Vapor-x 7970. What one should i get? :??: 
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March 20, 2013 5:11:03 PM

DarkSable said:
IMASHERIFF said:
cool ill check it out and hypothetically if i were to ever OC would you still suggest the gigabyte version?

For $100 less? Of course. That's a pretty high premium for a slightly better cooler - gigabyte's is still quite good.

Greatatlantic said:
What monitor are you running? Because a $300+ GPU is absolutely wasted on a 1920x1080 resolution, which is most 20-24" monitors. Your standard shooter made first for consoles and ported to be a PC can run 60 FPS at the highest setting with a sub-$200 card at that resolution. I know this from personal experience. There are a small handful of games that demand more hardware for more powerful settings... actually, really just Crysis 3. Other games will have "golden toupee" settings that are incredibly resource intensive for a slightly shinier and smoother appearance, but for my money I'd get a SDD which will GREATLY increase load times and startup time and a more reasonable GPU.


The case depends on how you build - for example, I personally upgrade by making a new build with a new concept, and I sell off all my old parts.

As for the "premium" gpu, well... it depends on what you want to do. Yes, you can max out the games that are easy to max out with a 660. Big whoop. If you're an enthusiast, spending $400 on a graphics card is not at all unreasonable, because you DO play those games that are hard to max. (And as for modern hardware being more power than modern games can use, well... that's just flat out wrong. There are plenty of games out there that won't max out at 60fps with a single card aside from a Titan.)


What card are you using at the moment and im iffy about getting the gigabyte, only because i haven't herd to much about them and i have heard about sapphire. What do you recommend, and i think im going to OC or at least having the option would be nice. So what Card?:??: 
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March 20, 2013 5:11:37 PM

IMASHERIFF said:
Well i just looked at the gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB and it seemed to be practicly the same at the Vapor-x 7970. What one should i get? :??: 


If the price is the same, get the vapor-x. If one is cheaper, get that. They're going to perform within a few %s of each other anyways.
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March 20, 2013 5:13:51 PM

IMASHERIFF said:
What card are you useing at the moment and im iffy about getting the gigabyte, only because i havent herd to much about them and i have heard about sapphire. What do you recamend, and i think im going to OC or at least haveing the option would be nice. So what Card?:??: 


Check my sig - I've got a 670 that's fairly heavily overclocked. I run almost all games maxxed at a minimum of 60fps - though I usually turn down settings if I have to so I can run at 120fps. (I have a 120hz monitor.)

I can tell you that Gigabyte is a reliable brand, and while the sapphire has better cooling, it won't matter that much either way - both cards will overclock just fine, and the difference in cooling between them doesn't really come into play unless you're trying to push them to their limit... and you'd want a water loop for that anyways.

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March 20, 2013 5:16:04 PM

DarkSable said:
IMASHERIFF said:
Well i just looked at the gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB and it seemed to be practicly the same at the Vapor-x 7970. What one should i get? :??: 


If the price is the same, get the vapor-x. If one is cheaper, get that. They're going to perform within a few %s of each other anyways.


the price difference is about 30 bucks, the vapor is more but in stock and the gigabyte is out
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March 20, 2013 5:31:31 PM

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Greatatlantic said:
What monitor are you running? Because a $300+ GPU is absolutely wasted on a 1920x1080 resolution, which is most 20-24" monitors. Your standard shooter made first for consoles and ported to be a PC can run 60 FPS at the highest setting with a sub-$200 card at that resolution. I know this from personal experience. There are a small handful of games that demand more hardware for more powerful settings... actually, really just Crysis 3. Other games will have "golden toupee" settings that are incredibly resource intensive for a slightly shinier and smoother appearance, but for my money I'd get a SDD which will GREATLY increase load times and startup time and a more reasonable GPU.


The case depends on how you build - for example, I personally upgrade by making a new build with a new concept, and I sell off all my old parts.

As for the "premium" gpu, well... it depends on what you want to do. Yes, you can max out the games that are easy to max out with a 660. Big whoop. If you're an enthusiast, spending $400 on a graphics card is not at all unreasonable, because you DO play those games that are hard to max. (And as for modern hardware being more power than modern games can use, well... that's just flat out wrong. There are plenty of games out there that won't max out at 60fps with a single card aside from a Titan.)


Oh there is definitely a "philosophy" component to builds, and I can only speak from my perspective and it isn't the only way to go about a build.

So, when it comes to graphics, games will look gorgeous at a 1920x1080 resolution with a sub $200 graphics card. I mean they will absolutely spank current generation consoles visually. Some games (including most shooters which is the only game type some people play) the budget card is enough to run the games at absolutely max settings. However, other games have settings that can offer minor visual enhancement, but involve spending substantially more on a GPU to maintain performance. I can think of worse things to spend money on (Arizona Cardinals Season Tickets), and if some one is really into tech it makes sense. For people who want a general use PC that plays games great, those high end GPU's won't do much for them. Not saying its money poorly spent if you really, really want the absolute best, but if you just want gorgeous, then its kind of money that could be spent elsewhere. Such as...

...this build lacks a SDD. That is the single best upgrade a PC can have to improve general use. Nothing else is even close, even going from integrated graphics to a nVidia Titan, and I will stand by that. My PC now boots faster than my Prius.
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March 20, 2013 5:37:20 PM

Greatatlantic said:
Oh there is definitely a "philosophy" component to builds, and I can only speak from my perspective and it isn't the only way to go about a build.

So, when it comes to graphics, games will look gorgeous at a 1920x1080 resolution with a sub $200 graphics card. I mean they will absolutely spank current generation consoles visually. Some games (including most shooters which is the only game type some people play) the budget card is enough to run the games at absolutely max settings. However, other games have settings that can offer minor visual enhancement, but involve spending substantially more on a GPU to maintain performance. I can think of worse things to spend money on (Arizona Cardinals Season Tickets), and if some one is really into tech it makes sense. For people who want a general use PC that plays games great, those high end GPU's won't do much for them. Not saying its money poorly spent if you really, really want the absolute best, but if you just want gorgeous, then its kind of money that could be spent elsewhere. Such as...

...this build lacks a SDD. That is the single best upgrade a PC can have to improve general use. Nothing else is even close, even going from integrated graphics to a nVidia Titan, and I will stand by that. My PC now boots faster than my Prius.


That's true - it highly, HIGHLY depends on the gamer and what games they want to play. (While the console ports look just fine with, as you say, a $200 graphics card, using console graphics as a comparison point isn't going to be saying much - even the new ones coming up here are going to be lackluster.)

That being said, it depends on what the PC will be used for. I too swear by SSDs now and won't work on a computer that doesn't have one - but for someone who doesn't know the difference or doesn't care about loading screens and is only using the computer for gaming...
(Besides, just dropping to a $400 7970 from the $500 chosen originally would give enough for a 128GB ssd.)

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March 20, 2013 5:47:59 PM

Hmm well this PC will be about 90% gaming then the 10% left will be like surfing the web keepin up with ign, i wont be working on videos or photos so will the vapor-x and gigabyte be complete wast of money for me. I also want to say i don't mind paying a ton of money for this i just want the experience of doing a build and the fun that comes with it (and some frustration :) )
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March 20, 2013 5:54:29 PM

IMASHERIFF said:
Hmm well this PC will be about 90% gaming then the 10% left will be like surfing the web keepin up with ign, i wont be working on videos or photos so will the vapor-x and gigabyte be complete wast of money for me. I also want to say i don't mind paying a ton of money for this i just want the experience of doing a build and the fun that comes with it (and some frustration :) )


It depends on what you're looking for.

What games do you want to play, at what settings?
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March 20, 2013 5:54:37 PM

your over paying for a lot of items on that list.... you can easily get a 2tb driver for about $100, a 7970 for $500 is just ridiculous, a case shouldnt cost you much more than $50 unless you REALLY REALLY want a certain case because it looks cool, unless you plan on dual video cards a 600-650w $50 power supply is more than enough, and i wouldn't pay more than $.75 per gigabyte for any ssd.

3570k for $200
http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/340780
asrock extreme6 z77 + 8gb ram $142
http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/337607
2tb western digital green $90
http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/341031
gigabyte windforce 3 7970 $380
http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/339985
corsair 750w psu $70
http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/341231

thats gotta be over $200 saved at least over what prices you had listed, you can get a....
samsung 840 pro 256gb ssd $209
http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/341484
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March 20, 2013 6:15:33 PM

Well the games i play range from Dayz to starcraf to BF3 to WOW, i like to play many different types of games, and i would like to have the setting on max.

And Nikoli707 all my products are from amazon i just wanted to stick to a rectifiable place. Do you know of any other than Amazon where i can get a better price and that are trust worthy.
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March 20, 2013 6:18:42 PM

nikoli707 said:
Well the games i play range from Dayz to starcraf to BF3 to WOW, i like to play many different types of games, and i would like to have the setting on max.

And Nikoli707 all my products are from amazon i just wanted to stick to a rectifiable place. Do you know of any other than Amazon where i can get a better price and that are trust worthy.


If you want to max games without worrying about it, get a 7950 for $300 and overclock it or get a 7970 for $400.

Newegg is also reliable, but will have prices only slightly different from Amazon.
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March 20, 2013 6:21:17 PM

DarkSable said:
nikoli707 said:
Well the games i play range from Dayz to starcraf to BF3 to WOW, i like to play many different types of games, and i would like to have the setting on max.

And Nikoli707 all my products are from amazon i just wanted to stick to a rectifiable place. Do you know of any other than Amazon where i can get a better price and that are trust worthy.


If you want to max games without worrying about it, get a 7950 for $300 and overclock it or get a 7970 for $400.

Newegg is also reliable, but will have prices only slightly different from Amazon.


ok cool so should i just ditch the whole vapor-x idea
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March 20, 2013 6:23:21 PM

IMASHERIFF said:
ok cool so should i just ditch the whole vapor-x idea

For an extra $100? Yeah, it's not worth it.

It IS the best cooler on the market, but the difference is nominal and won't affect end performance at all - if you're overclocking the hell out of the chip you'll be using a waterblock, and if you aren't, then the only difference the cooler gives you is 3-4 degrees, which, again, isn't really worth it.
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March 20, 2013 6:27:42 PM

DarkSable said:
IMASHERIFF said:
ok cool so should i just ditch the whole vapor-x idea

For an extra $100? Yeah, it's not worth it.

It IS the best cooler on the market, but the difference is nominal and won't affect end performance at all - if you're overclocking the hell out of the chip you'll be using a waterblock, and if you aren't, then the only difference the cooler gives you is 3-4 degrees, which, again, isn't really worth it.


sweet then ill just put the money towards something else.

And sorry for relying on you so much but sense im not getting that card then what card do you suggest that will be just as good
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March 20, 2013 6:40:27 PM

IMASHERIFF said:
And sorry for relying on you so much but sense im not getting that card then what card do you suggest that will be just as good


No worries man - it's what we're here for.

For a 7950, I'd suggest this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
And for a 7970, this one, if you can find it: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you can't, go with the Gigabyte: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 20, 2013 6:51:50 PM

DarkSable said:
IMASHERIFF said:
And sorry for relying on you so much but sense im not getting that card then what card do you suggest that will be just as good


No worries man - it's what we're here for.

For a 7950, I'd suggest this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
And for a 7970, this one, if you can find it: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you can't, go with the Gigabyte: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


sweet ill check them out but sorry i have one more question, if i were to get 2 "Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 OC 2GB" would they out perform the 7970?
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March 20, 2013 6:54:31 PM

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sweet ill check them out but sorry i have one more question, if i were to get 2 "Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 OC 2GB" would they out perform the 7970?


They might. In, say, two games. In the rest of the games you'll try to play, they'll give you hell - you'll get microstuttering and worse framerates than disabling one card and running with a single 7850.

You're far, FAR better off going with the most powerful single card you can - crossfire and SLI are last-resort options for when the most powerful card still isn't cutting it.

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March 20, 2013 7:22:41 PM

DarkSable said:
IMASHERIFF said:
sweet ill check them out but sorry i have one more question, if i were to get 2 "Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 OC 2GB" would they out perform the 7970?


They might. In, say, two games. In the rest of the games you'll try to play, they'll give you hell - you'll get microstuttering and worse framerates than disabling one card and running with a single 7850.

You're far, FAR better off going with the most powerful single card you can - crossfire and SLI are last-resort options for when the most powerful card still isn't cutting it.



ohh jezz well then ill just go with the ones you recommended

and thanks a ton for all your help
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March 20, 2013 7:39:07 PM

IMASHERIFF said:
ohh jezz well then ill just go with the ones you recommended

and thanks a ton for all your help

Of course! There are certainly other options, and you might want to look at a reference-style cooler if you aren't going to overclock. (It blows hot air out the back instead of back into the case, which keeps the computer overall cooler, but it's not as good at cooling the video card.)

Best thanks you can give is selecting a best answer - though I'm glad I could help out. :) 

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March 22, 2013 9:01:18 AM

yeah i agree, a 7950 is the best bang for the buck and regularly oc to well above 1100mhz core 1500mhz memory... thats reference 7970. i personally have an msi twin frozr 3 7950 running at 1150 core 1550 mem and i run a 1440p monitor with really no problems at all at that resolution 68c max, bf3, ultra modded skyrim etc, except for the newest crysis 3 so i back down to 1080p so it runs smoothly.

i personally like the msi tf3 or the gigabyte windforce 3, but honestly their all pretty good asus, sapphire, their pretty popular too so whatever floats your boat. if you really want to run cool temps and want to overclock upwards of 1300mhz core then just buy a reference cooler model or whatever cheapest one you can find and do your research on a cost effective water block. i personally bought my msi tf3 7950 for $269 after rebate but i notice the prices have tapered up a little bit lately.
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March 22, 2013 1:55:34 PM

DarkSable said:
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You're far, FAR better off going with the most powerful single card you can - crossfire and SLI are last-resort options for when the most powerful card still isn't cutting it.
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I've never heard it put better and couldn't agree more. A single card will provide you with more stability and reliability than any dual card config.
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