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March 22, 2013 1:02:06 PM

Hello, I have recently bought a MacBook Pro with retina display and I'm loving it! I'm using it for a bit of gaming, and in the actual game (Skyrim for example), every time I move the camera, the whole screen looks a bit weird and I can't focus on the game. I can't really describe it, it's as if I'm not seeing the game correctly, and after I stop moving the camera, I see everything normally. I'm running this game on Ultra settings with anti-aliasing off (seeing I have FXAA on), and this game runs like butter! Which Is probably the thing that baffled me the most! The specs are:
2.6 GHz Intel Core i7 with 6MB shared L3 cache.
8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 Memory.
GeForce GT 650M (factory over clocked at 900 GPU clock and 2500 memory clock) with 1 GB GDDR5 VRAM.

Is it that I'm simply new to PC gaming and that I'll adjust? This happened to pretty much every game I played, and I would really much appreciate it if someone were able to fix this problem for me.

Thank you for reading and for any future answers.

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March 22, 2013 1:08:50 PM

Well if your frame rate drops below 30fps you'll get headache for sure if not used to it. Check your framerate, install FRAPS and it will run under game.
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March 22, 2013 1:10:42 PM

Yeah, no, that's either a driver error or the fact that you're trying to play skyrim on ultra with a graphics card that barely handles powerpoint.
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March 22, 2013 1:13:22 PM

Have you tried to turn the graphics settings down? the GTX650M is closer in performance to a GTX 640 than a standard GTX 650. that system cant be giving a smooth frame rate at all on ultra. so give it a try and let us know if the problem is still there.
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March 22, 2013 1:15:37 PM

bgunner said:
Have you tried to turn the graphics settings down? the GTX650M is closer in performance to a GTX 640 than a standard GTX 650. that system cant be giving a smooth frame rate at all on ultra. so give it a try and let us know if the problem is still there.


A standard 650 would run skyrim smoothly on medium, at 1080p. A 650m, well... might handle low?
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March 22, 2013 1:16:54 PM

DarkSable said:
Yeah, no, that's either a driver error or the fact that you're trying to play skyrim on ultra with a graphics card that barely handles powerpoint.


Well, seeing that is what GeForce experience says is the "Optimal settings", I don't think so.
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March 22, 2013 1:20:02 PM

2560x1600 or 2880x1800?

Either way, you are asking a LOT out of that level of mobile GPU. They only test up to 1080p at the link below and it comes up as "red" on ultra at that resolution. Realize you're getting more performance by dropping the AA, but your pushing *twice* as many pixels as these tests.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Elder-Scrolls-V-Skyrim...

Have you tried running stock high, medium, and low to see if the effect is the same?
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March 22, 2013 1:21:09 PM

Omar Mubarak said:
DarkSable said:
Yeah, no, that's either a driver error or the fact that you're trying to play skyrim on ultra with a graphics card that barely handles powerpoint.


Well, seeing that is what GeForce experience says is the "Optimal settings", I don't think so.


The only entry that the GeForce experience has is for a 560... you have a 650M which isn't NEARLY as close to competent.

EDIT: Also, at that high of a resolution, it's a mix of low and medium, so I have no idea where you're getting your information: http://www.geforce.com/games-applications/pc-games/elde...
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March 22, 2013 1:38:02 PM

DarkSable said:
Omar Mubarak said:
DarkSable said:
Yeah, no, that's either a driver error or the fact that you're trying to play skyrim on ultra with a graphics card that barely handles powerpoint.


Well, seeing that is what GeForce experience says is the "Optimal settings", I don't think so.


The only entry that the GeForce experience has is for a 560... you have a 650M which isn't NEARLY as close to competent.

EDIT: Also, at that high of a resolution, it's a mix of low and medium, so I have no idea where you're getting your information: http://www.geforce.com/games-applications/pc-games/elde...


Let's keep this a friendly conversation :) 
Just used FRAPS, the FPS was mostly in the 40's outdoors, and constant 60 indoors, sometimes dipping to the 30's when lost of plants are present.
Actually, it's more like a "I can't keep up with the camera moving" kind of thing.
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March 22, 2013 1:40:00 PM

Omar Mubarak said:

Let's keep this a friendly conversation :) 
Just used FRAPS, the FPS was mostly in the 40's outdoors, and constant 60 indoors, sometimes dipping to the 30's when lost of plants are present.
Actually, it's more like a "I can't keep up with the camera moving" kind of thing.



Well if you're happy with your settings, then you're happy.

As for keeping up with the camera, do you have motion blur on?
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March 22, 2013 1:40:42 PM

J_E_D_70 said:
2560x1600 or 2880x1800?

Either way, you are asking a LOT out of that level of mobile GPU. They only test up to 1080p at the link below and it comes up as "red" on ultra at that resolution. Realize you're getting more performance by dropping the AA, but your pushing *twice* as many pixels as these tests.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Elder-Scrolls-V-Skyrim...

Have you tried running stock high, medium, and low to see if the effect is the same?


The resolution is on 1920x1200, and as said below, mid 40's outdoors dropping to 30's when lots of plants present, constant 60 indoors. Pretty sure the problem isn't hardware related.
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March 22, 2013 1:42:15 PM

DarkSable said:
Omar Mubarak said:

Let's keep this a friendly conversation :) 
Just used FRAPS, the FPS was mostly in the 40's outdoors, and constant 60 indoors, sometimes dipping to the 30's when lost of plants are present.
Actually, it's more like a "I can't keep up with the camera moving" kind of thing.



Well if you're happy with your settings, then you're happy.

As for keeping up with the camera, do you have motion blur on?


All settings are on and maxed except for shadows and anti-aliasing, so I guess. I'll turn it off and see.

No motion blur, though there is this option called "Radial blur"
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March 22, 2013 1:48:36 PM

Omar Mubarak said:

All settings are on and maxed except for shadows and anti-aliasing, so I guess. I'll turn it off and see.

No motion blur, though there is this option called "Radial blur"

And does the problem get better at all if you disable it? That sounds like motion blur that applies when turning.
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March 22, 2013 1:51:04 PM

maybe you do just need to get used to it, but you have to consider turning down graphics settings. by all accounts that card has enough to handle with the retina display, let alone gaming on ultra. even though apple clocks the 650m fairly high, it just doesn't have the raw power.
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March 22, 2013 1:57:20 PM

DarkSable said:
Omar Mubarak said:

All settings are on and maxed except for shadows and anti-aliasing, so I guess. I'll turn it off and see.

No motion blur, though there is this option called "Radial blur"

And does the problem get better at all if you disable it? That sounds like motion blur that applies when turning.


Put radial blur on low and that pretty much fixed my problem. Plus I got a 10 FPS increase which I think can be used to get anti-aliasing up to 2x. Thanks dude!
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March 22, 2013 2:00:07 PM

rostrow416 said:
maybe you do just need to get used to it, but you have to consider turning down graphics settings. by all accounts that card has enough to handle with the retina display, let alone gaming on ultra. even though apple clocks the 650m fairly high, it just doesn't have the raw power.


My common sense suggested that, even before buying this laptop, that it was impossible for this GPU to game on 2880x1800, I play all games on 1920x1200 (which is the highest resolution I can go up to which has a 16:10 ratio AND provides good FPS), thanks for the answer!
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March 22, 2013 2:01:20 PM

Omar Mubarak said:
rostrow416 said:
maybe you do just need to get used to it, but you have to consider turning down graphics settings. by all accounts that card has enough to handle with the retina display, let alone gaming on ultra. even though apple clocks the 650m fairly high, it just doesn't have the raw power.


My common sense suggested that, even before buying this laptop, that it was impossible for this GPU to game on 2880x1800, I play all games on 1920x1200 (which is the highest resolution I can go up to which has a 16:10 ratio AND provides good FPS), thanks for the answer!


First, you're welcome, and I'm glad I could help figure it out!

And yeah, I'm actually amazed you're getting numbers you're happy with with settings that high.

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March 22, 2013 2:04:35 PM

DarkSable said:
Omar Mubarak said:
rostrow416 said:
maybe you do just need to get used to it, but you have to consider turning down graphics settings. by all accounts that card has enough to handle with the retina display, let alone gaming on ultra. even though apple clocks the 650m fairly high, it just doesn't have the raw power.


My common sense suggested that, even before buying this laptop, that it was impossible for this GPU to game on 2880x1800, I play all games on 1920x1200 (which is the highest resolution I can go up to which has a 16:10 ratio AND provides good FPS), thanks for the answer!


First, you're welcome, and I'm glad I could help figure it out!

And yeah, I'm actually amazed you're getting numbers you're happy with with settings that high.



I am too lol, never thought that Apple, of all companies was able to make a laptop that actually plays Skyrim well!
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