Weird issues overclocking cpu

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hello all, ill be quick and easy about this very weird ongoing issue i recently started having. ill start by my specs
Intel core2 QUAD Q6600
ASRock G41M-S3 mobo
2x4Gb G.Skill RipjawsX DDR3 1333 "max system supports =8GB"
hard disk's irrelivant
dvd drive
geforce 210
bestec 250watt stock psu. which i think may be the problem?

okay so problem started when i upgraded my ram, to the gskill 8gb kit, i previously ran a kingston valueram single 2gb ddr3 stick and was able to have my 6660 happily stable with no issues at almost a full 3ghz, 2.97 or somewhere very close to that. cpu was set manually in bios of course. offhand i think it was somewhere around 1.375-1.40 volts Vcore 333Mhz with a multi of 9*
when i had it oc'd it was actually running with the FSB at 330-331 since that was the sweet spot for this overall systems cpu oc'ing ability.
i do believe if i remember offhand correctly, that the previously stated specs on the system were thoroughly tested with either aida64 stress test or prime95 torture test, or both. and ran a system up time of over 9 days non stop. with the stress tests done over 10+ hours constant with no issues. now seeing as ive upgraded my ram kit, specs similar to my previous ram other then a higher GB capacity, im unable to get any higher oc then the 2.7Ghz im at now. heres where it gets a bit weird, im aware that the cpu being oc'd can also oc the ram in a sense, since there "linked" as some people state,if this IS my case, it does not show at all in bios, as my 1333 ram always says 1333mhz in bios, which ive set manually. as well as everything such as timings and voltages are all set manually and to the right settings. BUT... when i have the cpu FSB at say, 333 it will run perfect and stable... however its only when the multi is at 8* not 9. which at the 8* and 333 gives me the 2.7'ish core clock. now when i change the multi to the 9* like its supposed to run at, and i USED TO do, which it was running perfectly fine at, under prime95 it gives me rounding errors and such, and thread worker #4, its always #4,stops running and it only stresses the other 3 cores. which is very weird since thats never happened to me. on occasion if i change settings even higher it will run a bit longer seeming to be stable before the system either bsod, or more recently it just hard shutdowns, no screen errors, monitor stops displaying and the system just "resets" ive also tested with each ram stick from the new kit and failed the same way each time. going back to the original stick, it oddly enough also gives me the same problem as well! like wtf? so heres what ive come to beleive, could it be possible that the psu is indeed causing this problem? its not anywhere a high rated GOOD psu, since its all i have ATM. and ive read the 6600 stock and even oc'd takes near 150+ watts. and the one im using is easily 2+ years old out of a new bought compaq presario desktop.
to clearify also, i have tried everything possible from fsb jumper settings,to downclocking the ram below what its rated at, like 1066 1280 etc. to no avail. i have thoroughly tested every one of my ram sticks with memtest86 and there all good to go. can anyone help? im completely stumped! it WAS working at one point, but just not anymore,if the cpu was "bad" id assume it would fail under load no matter the core clock and such, correct? it runs just great at stock or the highest i got it to right now at 2.7ghz. but as soon as i change the mutiplier, the issues come up. my mobo's fsb is locked at 333 and it will not go any higher then a 1333fsb. my cpu is a 1066 fsb chipset. ram is 1333 native. i hope someone can help,is it a possibility that the cpu with the oc is just drawing too much, and not getting the power it needs under a heavy load with oc? causing the rounding errors and system to hard reboot itself? nothing else was changed from the previous setup where it WAS stable at 3ghz except new ram modules. thanks!
 

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have you tried putting the old ones in and seeing if it's stable again? if so and it is....maybe the ram is just doesn't play nice...if not maybe you gave some static love to your motherboard and damaged it just a little...enough to screw up your overcock but not enough to kill it out right. i had a similar issue with a q6600 on a 790i.
 
Going back to the old ram is a good start. If that solves your issue it is most likely not the psu. If not then a stronger psu is called for. You will have to decide whether it is cost effective to replace the psu or just lower the oc until its stable and add the psu money to a new computer build.
 

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In reply to both, i actually did try the single stick ram module that was working with the 3ghz oc and to my surprise it didnt work anymore either which baffles me. Its weird since it was working right up untill i just swapped them out, the mobo was never even removed at that time,so im really quite unsure what to think right now. The fsb runs just great at any speed from the max 333 to anything below that with complete stability. Its only when the cpu multi is at 9* i start getting these problems,im not 100% sure offhand but i think it does actually run stable with a 9* multi IF the fsb is lowered quite a bit. So either way it only gives me the same cpu performance since the multi is higher but the lower fsb still downclocks it to near 2.7ghz which is what im at now lol. I would of gladly went with a higher end mobo if i didnt already have intel 775 hardware. Also, i do know i have tried the following config/ settings. Ram was at around 1200 and also tested at 1066 while the cpu had a 9* multi, and 330 fsb. Which gave a core clock close enough to 3ghz for me, and was quite fast. Even with the ram underclocked i still had issues like the prime rounding errors and or instant shutdown-reboots. Which i can say for sure has only happened before when i tried to go MUCH over 3ghz or even 3ghz flat with the full 333fsb. Right now im using the full 333fsb speed, ram at 1333 manual settings for timings etc and cpu also manually set to the 2.7Ghz. Im getting a tx 650 corsair psu in a few days, thanks to newegg. Ill happily try other things as well to see if i can get it working properly again,could it be possible though it just might be the psu? It is quite old and has been use for many many hours to push my hardware. If not, then what exactly would cause a instant shutdown reboot when cpu is under full load? Thank u all for your help advice and assistance! :)
 

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just a update on this issue, ive looked more into this problem im having more specficially the error code when i manage to make it BSOD. stop x0124 i think it was, which may have something to do with the L2 cache on the cpu. this may or may not actually be my issue, but i was able to bring the clock up higher and keep the 9* multi, taking it from 2.66Ghz "2.4Ghz stock" to 2.79Ghz tested for around 3 hours with prime95 and leaving the system on, and so far its been nearly 20 hours with these new settings and all seems just fine. even though the FSB is now set to 310 instead of 333 the ram is slightly underclocked which i have compensated for in the bios settings by lowering the timings, i ran benchmark test on both the cpu and ram, first with the cpu at 2.66Ghz and ram at 1333 9-9-9 timings scores were around 3600 for cpu and 1600 for ram, after oc'ing the cpu at 2.79Ghz and ram underclocked to 12xxmhz 8-8-8 timings i got around 4000 and 1680 scores. so the ram and cpu are both running a bit faster, ran slightly and cpu is about 3-400 difference, does this seem right?
 

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well lowering the ram timing can help free up some bandwidth so that doesn't surprise me at all that the ram did better even with slightly lower clocks. your CPU scores jumped about what they should accordingly too with the OC.

overclocking is an art....sometimes what you expect will give you benefit does not and vice versa....every rig i have overclocked has been different.

if these new setting seem stable...(i prefer intel burn and open hardware monitor in so i will advise as such)....run intel burn for 10 runs at maxuim burn...have your hardware monitor open and watch temps and volts the whole time...if it crashes note at what temp and Voltage you saw the crash....if it doesn't run it again but this time run it for 50 runs but you don't need to watch it the whole time...get a burger, call your GF what ever....if that is stable try some regular usage for a few hours and see if it crashes...if not i would do one more burn in for 24 hours to be sure.

 

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Thanks for the info and good advice,alas it had nothing to do with my psu all along sadly. I'll try that program next time though,I normally use prime95 seeing as that's the only program I've used that's actually able to show me an error or crash my system if something goes unstable. Would you advise to keep my ram underclocked then,since the CPU will be just slightly higher? 2.79Ghz seems to be a great spot for total stability as I've tested 8+ hours like nothing. 3Ghz really isn't far off from where I'm at now so it should be a matter of fine tweaking then. Also I don't know much for ram timings and such, I have a Gskill ripjaws X kit with 2x4GB 1333 DDR3 modules timings on said box is 9-9-9-24 on CPUz it says something about jtec and the timings,is that something I should follow? Thanks for the help once again
 

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Im not completely sure but i think ive used intel burn once before actually, ill give that a try too though. Is there any specific method to doing the ram timings and such? I think it was something like Jtec 685mhz, which DDR is double and thats like 1400mhz? And the timings for something like the stock 1333mhz+ is the 9-9-9 i have it a bit lower and went with 8-8-8 but thats about as far as i went due to my limited knowledge.
 

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ah okay, sorry to keep being an idiot about this matter but im not very experienced in the RAM feild. so ill just say if i wanted to have the stock 9x multi with 330 FSB or even the 333, i should let the ram still run at the higher Mhz frequency, which would be around 1300's and just lower its timings from 9-9-9-24 to like the lowest my bios will allow? like a 5-5-5 6-6-6- something like that? im sorry again to keep bothering you about that, im sure there is a faq on ram and overclocking here on toms. i just need something i can understand to use as a base line, so its easier for me to fall back on and learn. thanks yet again!
 

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just wanted to follow up as an update, i tried different ram configs pretty much everything i had tried causes the system to not post and or boot. my mobo will only do 9-9-9-25 and 78 for Tras, i think it is. i have the 2T command rate on though. my ram is still slightly under clocked at like almost 1300, so pretty close to stock speeds. i managed to find a sweet stable spot at 322 FSB with the 9* multi at 2.9Ghz, but had to up the core voltage quite a bit. nearly 1.425Volts. i dont really wish to have the core any higher so i guess ill settle for the current cpu clock. i also just installed a simple H55 water cooler, so cpu temps are way within safe ranges. thanks for all the help