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March 24, 2013 7:10:01 PM

I am asking for an experts opinion on whether this is a good build and well be able to play games like Planetside 2, WOT, and large Minecraft mods with consistent graphics.
My budget is around $730 without a mouse screen and including the mail in rebates
case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
motherboard-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
hard drive- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
graphics card-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
power supply-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
cpu-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD burner-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Ram-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
os-windows 7 home prenium
cooling- 2 extra cooler master fans
a regular keyboard
all add to $740 with mail in rebates

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March 24, 2013 7:17:29 PM

I suggest Downgrading your cpu and upgrading your gpu, also, for like 10 dollars more you can get a hard drive with 64 Mb cache, instead of the 16mb cache you have chosen.

When building a gaming computer you want to get the best graphics card you can afford. You could downgrade the cpu to the fx-6300 still a great cpu , and get a 7850. It will still run off the cx430 psu if you went higher like a 7870 you would have to get a better psu.

also i notice you do not have any RAM in your list.
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March 24, 2013 7:22:10 PM

Spend $10 more and get considerably better performance. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It should run fine on that PSU but I suggest upgrading to 500W just to be safe. This may be a bit over your budget but it will be better than one that won't work. You can also drop the 8350 down to a 6300 which will spare you the money to get the better graphics card and psu. With the money saved I think you can also get a Hyper 212 EVO to overclock the CPU.
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March 24, 2013 7:24:42 PM

I have the same Motherboard, it works great! But the GPU seems a bit under-rated. Your CPU is great too.
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March 24, 2013 7:27:41 PM

Looks pretty good. Here is another option to consider:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z5 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($21.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($91.17 @ Amazon)
Total: $751.08
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-24 22:22 EDT-0400)

* CPU is a step up from yours (not much but is currently $180 :)  )
* Mobo is about the same.
* RAM is included (you didn't have it listed above) is 1600 mHz @ CAS 9 timings and runs at stock voltage 1.5v. It also comes with LOW PROFILE heat spreaders, so you could add just about any aftermarket CPU HSF that you like (heat spreaders can usually infringe upon some CPU HSF's if they protrude up too much).
* HD is double the size for $10 more :) 
* GPU is trades blows with the 560 Ti and usually beats it, also it costs less too :)  Link to comparison on Anandtech's site.
* PSU is the same one you selected.
* Case I listed has the option for front USB 3.0 ports. You would need to upgrade the Mobo to support this option though, so keep that in mind. Here is a Mobo that supports the onboard USB.30 for the case w/front USB 3.0 ports. It's a bit spendy at ~$140ish though.
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a b 4 Gaming
March 24, 2013 7:37:46 PM

completelyrandomname said:
Spend $10 more and get considerably better performance. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It should run fine on that PSU but I suggest upgrading to 500W just to be safe. This may be a bit over your budget but it will be better than one that won't work. You can also drop the 8350 down to a 6300 which will spare you the money to get the better graphics card and psu. With the money saved I think you can also get a Hyper 212 EVO to overclock the CPU.


I'd suggest getting the 2 GB 7850 GPU for the same $ (listed in my build), but either is a better option, IMHO, over the 560 Ti. The 6300 is also a good option too, if you need to cut the budget by about $40. The aftermarket CPU HSF (Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO) is also a possibility, if you drop down to the 6300, but that is up to the OP.

Here's what it would look like with the 6300 CPU and the Hyper 212 EVO:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($133.79 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z5 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($21.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($91.17 @ Amazon)
Total: $737.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-24 22:38 EDT-0400)

And if you prefer an Intel build (with Onboard USB 3.0 ports to support the front USB 3.0 ports on the case):

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock B75 PRO3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($75.06 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z5 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($21.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($91.17 @ Amazon)
Total: $726.15
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-24 22:41 EDT-0400)
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a b 4 Gaming
March 24, 2013 7:43:46 PM

I vote for 7850 too.

Unless you need AMD. Why not a cheaper CPU from the i5 family?
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March 24, 2013 7:53:06 PM

envy14tpe said:
I vote for 7850 too.

Unless you need AMD. Why not a cheaper CPU from the i5 family?


Like the i5 3350P that I listed above? It's pretty good too and sits between the FX 8350 and the FX 6300 price wise too. It's up to the OP which option he/she would like (I've listed several options).
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March 24, 2013 7:58:57 PM

I suggested the 1gb because it is cheaper than the 2gb model. You are right the 2gb is the same price.
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March 24, 2013 8:04:12 PM

+1 to the 7850 2GB over the GTX650 Ti
+1 to the AMD FX-8350 CPU - but if you must save money somewhere, go for either the FX-8320 or FX-6300. Don't skimp on the graphics card, because even a $100 CPU will drive an upper end single graphics card these days. Every new game is way more GPU limited than CPU limited, as long as you have at least 4 cores.

The GTX650Ti is already underpowered for that system. Don't go any lower than a 7850.
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March 24, 2013 8:04:12 PM

i updated what ram i am thinking about getting and am still thinking about the CPU because i am not planning on overclocking and i have herd from others that you want your CPU and GPU to be around the same cost. I also chose the 650 ti because it has a great deal for $50 of in game money that i probably wouldn't buy otherwise.
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March 24, 2013 8:06:05 PM

The 7850 will come with Bioshock and tombraider.
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March 24, 2013 8:11:33 PM

how much of a difference is there between the 7850 and the 650 ti? i also noticed the 650 ti is superclocked. and how big would the difference be like 5 fps or 10+
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March 24, 2013 8:15:21 PM

Zachasaurs said:
i have herd from others that you want your CPU and GPU to be around the same cost.


They're wrong or lying. You want your GPU to be TWICE the cost of your CPU in an ideal situation.

I mean, come on, think about it - if you're playing games, the most important part of your computer is going to be your graphics card.

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March 24, 2013 8:16:04 PM

Zachasaurs said:
i updated what ram i am thinking about getting and am still thinking about the CPU because i am not planning on overclocking and i have herd from others that you want your CPU and GPU to be around the same cost. I also chose the 650 ti because it has a great deal for $50 of in game money that i probably wouldn't buy otherwise.


* The RAM you selected is okay, but it's HEAT SPREADER protrudes vertically too much for my liking. The one's that I've listed in all of my builds have LOW PROFILE heat spreaders, so you have more options with aftermarket CPU HSF (if you have the need to add one later).
* The CPU = GPU price is not right. A $100 CPU (Ph II x4 965 BE) will easily power a 7850/7870 without too much issues (They are $170-250 price wise). I would much rather have a decent CPU and the best GPU I can afford, when building a budget gaming system.
* A lot of the 7850 GPU's come with Bioshock and Tombraider games, so you can add/subtract that in the total purchase price too.
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March 24, 2013 8:50:50 PM

do you think with gaming is an aftermarket heatsink is necessary and take into mind im definitely not playing on max settings. would the fx 8120 and 7850 be a good combo. also if overclocking isnt too hard i could also get the 6300 and an aftermarket heatsink.
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March 24, 2013 9:17:54 PM

Zachasaurs said:
do you think with gaming is an aftermarket heatsink is necessary and take into mind im definitely not playing on max settings. would the fx 8120 and 7850 be a good combo. also if overclocking isnt too hard i could also get the 6300 and an aftermarket heatsink.


Any of the options will do fine, IMHO. You will have a good system no matter which way you go. The 6300 is a good option w/after CPU HSF if you like, but generally you should be fine on stock settings for most situations.
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March 24, 2013 10:34:50 PM

The GTX 660 would be the max for that PSU. The 7870 would be another option, but it requires 2 x PCI-e power connectors from the PSU, which means you would have to upgrade the PSU to work with that GPU. The 7850 is another option that would work with the 430w Corsair PSU and is about $30-50 cheaper than the GTX 660.
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March 25, 2013 7:05:48 AM

ok well thanks you ill get the 7850 then do you think that the rest of my build will be good with the fx-6300
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March 25, 2013 7:08:51 AM

please also note that i cannot afford an aftermarket heatsink
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a b 4 Gaming
March 25, 2013 7:46:03 AM

Zachasaurs said:
please also note that i cannot afford an aftermarket heatsink


Typically the good ones are $30, but if you don't overclock then you don't have to buy one. The stock cooler is ok. On budget builds, don't overclock. Your build is still good.

However, I'd suggest a 3350 instead of the AMD mobo. The FX-6300 is best for people who want to overclock it. The fx-6300 is comparable to i3 cpus not i5s. The i3s are good but can't overclock.
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March 25, 2013 8:01:24 AM

i think that the i5-3350 core is a good choice but with it and the radion 7850 i cannot afford it because i also have to get 2 extra fans for the case and a keyboard to one of the other orders reccomended earlier. any ways you would reccomend for me to lower the overall cost.
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March 25, 2013 8:11:04 AM

Zachasaurs said:
i think that the i5-3350 core is a good choice but with it and the radion 7850 i cannot afford it because i also have to get 2 extra fans for the case and a keyboard to one of the other orders reccomended earlier. any ways you would reccomend for me to lower the overall cost.

The difference between a 3350p and fx-6300 is substantial. You can get a 3350p and a decent mobo. The mobo could be ~$95ish. That still fits in budget. Right?
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March 25, 2013 8:16:11 AM

Zachasaurs said:
do any of you happen to know if the case lunyone reccomended gthe Zalman z5 has 3 or 4 pin fan connectors? link-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Just heads up. Some cases come with many fans but they are loud. It is better to add quiet fans or spend a lot more on case.
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March 25, 2013 4:23:16 PM

for the cooler aster case w/ a 7850 and low end i5 core how many fans would you reccomend i a case for good airflow?
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March 25, 2013 5:03:26 PM

"A cooler master case". Usually most CM cases out there should have a decent stock cooling setup. With the HAF sereis (not the 912 IMHO) the stock cooling is more than enough. For a more budget constraint case they have skimped on cooling before. Just make sure you have intakes and exhausts on their respective front, bottom, sides, and top, rears.
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a b 4 Gaming
March 25, 2013 9:58:21 PM

Zachasaurs said:
for the cooler aster case w/ a 7850 and low end i5 core how many fans would you reccomend i a case for good airflow?

I have a Cooler Master case and it came with only a front intake fan. (it was pretty weak) I have since added a new front intake fan, side intake (to cool GPU), and a rear exhaust. I'd say you need at least a front intake and rear exhaust.
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March 26, 2013 11:08:06 AM

cool i was looking back and may be able to afford the asus gtx 660 for $200 the non ti version. would this work well with the corsair 80+ 500w psu?
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March 26, 2013 11:08:08 AM

cool i was looking back and may be able to afford the asus gtx 660 for $200 the non ti version. would this work well with the corsair 80+ 500w psu?
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March 26, 2013 11:11:12 AM

Zachasaurs said:
cool i was looking back and may be able to afford the asus gtx 660 for $200 the non ti version. would this work well with the corsair 80+ 500w psu?


You can get a 2GB 7850 for $200, higher performing than the 660.

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March 26, 2013 12:05:15 PM

ok so would 2 case fans and a 80+ 500w psu be enough for it not to overheat too much?
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March 26, 2013 1:28:55 PM

Zachasaurs said:
ok so would 2 case fans and a 80+ 500w psu be enough for it not to overheat too much?

I don't see it overheating, most of the 7850's have good cooling and with some airflow you should be fine. My 7850's never reach over 60c at full load crossfire'd with 2 intake fans and a top exhaust.

An 80+ 500w psu will be fine. Assuming you are still taking the FX-6300?
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March 26, 2013 4:10:11 PM

Zachasaurs said:
ok so would 2 case fans and a 80+ 500w psu be enough for it not to overheat too much?


Yes. Unless you live in a very hot climate in summer. 500W is enough for a 660. The 80+ bronze is a good choice cuz the greater efficiency = less heat generated in case.
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March 26, 2013 5:17:34 PM

Just a heads up. 7870>GTX 660>7850>GTX 650 Ti>7770
The GTX 650 Ti BOOST fits in between the 660 and 7850 but sometimes beats the 7850. The 7790 is weaker than the 650 Ti BOOST and also a bit cheaper. Keep in mind the 650 Ti BOOST does have 2GB of memory so it is able to keep up with the 660 and 7850. Here are a couple reviews:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-650-ti-...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6838/nvidia-geforce-gtx-6...

If I was in your situation I would get a 650 Ti BOOST and a FX6300 or 8350. By the way you should know that case fans only use a couple watts on a power supply, 10 at the most. Also note that I bolded the BOOST part because it is not the normal 650 Ti, it is the newer and more boss version.
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March 27, 2013 11:04:49 AM

so the 650 ti boost really is better than the 660 then? if so should i get the superclocked version?
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March 27, 2013 11:11:36 AM

No it is not better. 660 Ti>660>650 Ti Boost>650 Ti>650 However it represents a truly good value right now. It competes with the 7850 which is in a similar price bracket. Check out some reviews and see what games you play. For example BF3 always favoured the Nvidia GPUs so in this case it will beat the 7850 but on other games the 7850 beats it.
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March 27, 2013 11:16:13 AM

ok thanks you so do you think i want for decent cooling 1 rear fan and the stock one in the front or add 1 more to the purchase?
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March 27, 2013 11:23:56 AM
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March 27, 2013 11:48:54 AM
March 27, 2013 11:52:21 AM

i think 740 with all mail in rebates and windows from amazon!
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a b 4 Gaming
March 27, 2013 11:52:48 AM

I noticed the 8120 combo is overpriced! The 8120 is $160. So the RAM is $51? That sucks!!
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March 27, 2013 11:54:17 AM

i just cheaked and there bot fully priced to 226 and the combo makes then 15 off
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a b 4 Gaming
March 27, 2013 11:59:03 AM

Zachasaurs said:
really? should i get them sepratly then?


Will you overclock? If not, why not i5?
If AMD, forget that combo. Get a 8350 and buy RAM separately.
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March 27, 2013 11:59:43 AM

Zachasaurs said:
i just cheaked and there bot fully priced to 226 and the combo makes then 15 off

Not a deal
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March 27, 2013 12:03:27 PM

huh ok well i dont really want to overclock its just the lower end i5 and motherboard are more expensive unless you can find something otherwise
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March 27, 2013 12:10:24 PM

the lower end i5 is 20 dollars more than the 8120
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