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March 25, 2013 7:27:05 AM

I create huge gigapixel composite images. My last one was actually 104 36MP images combined into one to create a 1.4GP image. It is not unusual for me to shoot that many images, load them all in to Photoshop CS6 (64-bit) and do synchronized RAW adjustments on all them at once before I do the stitching operation. That's a lot of images and even my 24GB of RAM isn't enough - I am now planning to build a new image editing workstation and plan to build it on the Haswell 4770K (OCed like I did my i7-920) and will put 64GB or RAM on the MOB.

So, I constantly read how higher speed RAM (1866, 2100, 2400 etc) really provides no significant performance impact - but is that just for surfers and gamers? Will a mem intensive user like me benefit from say, 64GB or 1866, 2100, 2400..instead of 1600 RAM and by how much for this kind of use?

PS: Yes, I also already use might fast SSDs as well:-)

Regards,
Mike
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March 25, 2013 7:31:58 AM

I would think your bottleneck is going to be RAM - and because you are using virtual memory to load a file that size, the RAM speed is going to have very little to do with processing a file that size. Do you know how much virtual memory is being used to process a file that size (look at task manager and how much RAM is being utilized by Photoshop).
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March 25, 2013 7:41:32 AM

I will check. It depends on how many images are loaded per composite- it varies, but the larger ones for sure need more memory and are definitely RAM constrained eve with the SSD giving me pretty good virtual memory performance.

Still, let's say I have enough RAM with 64GB for most of my work, will the RAM speed make much of a difference given all of that working data in RAM?

Regards,
Mike
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March 25, 2013 7:47:42 AM

The faster RAM, if you aren't utilizing 100% of it, will make a difference (i.e. the image takes 50GB of the 64GB RAM). Once you hit the limit of the RAM, the virtual memory takes over - and it will be slower than the RAM. Then either the SSD or the HDD will be the bottleneck.

When you load a file that size - I would look at CPU/RAM utilization to see what is going on - also, because of the number of files, and size, your anti-virus/malware programs could be slowing down the system as well.

I haven't create that large of an image in Photoshop, typically less than 50MP total in size, and 16GB RAM is enough for me. Without knowing the way that Photoshop utilizes the RAM and/or caches the images to disk, it would be very difficult to calculate total RAM size.
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March 25, 2013 7:54:24 AM

To be honest, jumping from 1600 to 2133MHz won't be noticeable outside of synthetic benchmarks. And even in those you will only see around a 2% performance boost.

In gaming (I know, not apples to apples) you are still holding a ton of images and other files in RAM and you notice a 3fps increase on a good day.

Still, let's say that this is different, and photoshop will give you the 2% difference you will see in synthetic benchmarks. And let's say that a batch job takes you 1 hour with 1600MHz. It will drop it to 58 minutes and 48 seconds. Is 72 seconds worth 20% of a price increase (1600MHz to 2133MHz) over an hour long process?

Also, on a side note... I am not completely sure how you are planning on putting 64GB of RAM in a haswell build, as they only have 4 RAM slots, and 16GB Standard DIMM's are not currently available. (Yes, they have 16GB ECC DIMM's, but those won't work in consumer boards).

Your best bet is to go with a X79 system (or if you really don't mind waiting, wait for the IB-E) with either a 6-Core i7 (3930K) or an 8-Core Xeon (E5-2687ws). Photoshop is actually pretty good with multi-threaded workloads, and you will see a much bigger difference with the core count (12/16 vs 8) than with your RAM speed.
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March 25, 2013 7:59:28 AM

i know i should avoid this but what about using an msata ssd for virtual ram............. but then again it probably won't matter with 64gb ram..??

I also think perhaps a 6 0r 8core processor? a lot of data is going to be moving and I see everything getting taxed.
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March 25, 2013 8:05:00 AM

swifty_morgan said:
i know i should avoid this but what about using an msata ssd for virtual ram............. but then again it probably won't matter with 64gb ram..??

I also think perhaps a 6 0r 8core processor? a lot of data is going to be moving and I see everything getting taxed.


an msata SSD is going to be even slower than the SSD's he is currently using (more than likely)
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March 25, 2013 8:15:16 AM

I would say your better with Photoshop and as much RAM as you can load onto the motherboard. Photoshop is one of those programs that allows you to specify how much of the systems RAM you will allocate for Photoshop use under program preferences.

If you're dealing with giant RAW files, RAM is where it's at because less will be going to virtual memory (disk), during basic operations. Less disk operations means faster performance.

Faster RAM will make a difference and like itzdanielp said, more CPU cores will help. An X79 platform would be good for you. Not only does it offer more cores/threads, you also get quad-channel memory on the X79 platform. Not only can you load it up with more RAM, you get the bandwidth of the quad-channel interface. You are definitely an X79 candidate.
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March 25, 2013 9:06:15 AM

Assuming you already know this since you have 24GB now, but just in case... need Win 7 Pro or higher (or any Win 8) to support that much RAM.
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March 25, 2013 4:51:00 PM

J_E_D_70 said:
Assuming you already know this since you have 24GB now, but just in case... need Win 7 Pro or higher (or any Win 8) to support that much RAM.


Yes, I am running Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit and hte 64-bit version of CS6. Thanks, Mike

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March 25, 2013 4:54:39 PM

itzdanielp said:
To be honest, jumping from 1600 to 2133MHz won't be noticeable outside of synthetic benchmarks. And even in those you will only see around a 2% performance boost.

In gaming (I know, not apples to apples) you are still holding a ton of images and other files in RAM and you notice a 3fps increase on a good day.

Still, let's say that this is different, and photoshop will give you the 2% difference you will see in synthetic benchmarks. And let's say that a batch job takes you 1 hour with 1600MHz. It will drop it to 58 minutes and 48 seconds. Is 72 seconds worth 20% of a price increase (1600MHz to 2133MHz) over an hour long process?

Also, on a side note... I am not completely sure how you are planning on putting 64GB of RAM in a haswell build, as they only have 4 RAM slots, and 16GB Standard DIMM's are not currently available. (Yes, they have 16GB ECC DIMM's, but those won't work in consumer boards).

Your best bet is to go with a X79 system (or if you really don't mind waiting, wait for the IB-E) with either a 6-Core i7 (3930K) or an 8-Core Xeon (E5-2687ws). Photoshop is actually pretty good with multi-threaded workloads, and you will see a much bigger difference with the core count (12/16 vs 8) than with your RAM speed.


I am expecting a MOB that will take 8x8GB sticks; there are a few MOBs out there today that support 8x8. I think 64GB will be on the high end of what I'll need. Thanks. I tend to agree - the high speed RAM probably won't make much of a difference, but having enough capacity will. Regards, Mike

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March 25, 2013 5:02:43 PM

itzdanielp said:
swifty_morgan said:
i know i should avoid this but what about using an msata ssd for virtual ram............. but then again it probably won't matter with 64gb ram..??

I also think perhaps a 6 0r 8core processor? a lot of data is going to be moving and I see everything getting taxed.


an msata SSD is going to be even slower than the SSD's he is currently using (more than likely)


With 24GB of 1600 RAM now I am paging too much; I'll likely be fine north of 48GB with the rest of the 64GB being extra headroom for those rare massive loads (I actually have to use .PSB format in CS6 - that is the file format when the images exceed a certain size beyond what .PSD can handle). For the SSDs I am currently running a pair of Intel X25M 256GB Sata II SSDs in RAID 0 (system, apps, working data) and backup all to HDDs. My new Haswell rig I am gathering the components for now will a pair of Samsung Pro 512 SATA III SSDs in RAID 0 (and I'll finally get TRIM support which I am now lacking on my P6T MOB and not have to do manual TRIM maint anymore thank goodness). Regards, Mike

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March 25, 2013 5:07:14 PM

ubercake said:
I would say your better with Photoshop and as much RAM as you can load onto the motherboard. Photoshop is one of those programs that allows you to specify how much of the systems RAM you will allocate for Photoshop use under program preferences.

If you're dealing with giant RAW files, RAM is where it's at because less will be going to virtual memory (disk), during basic operations. Less disk operations means faster performance.

Faster RAM will make a difference and like itzdanielp said, more CPU cores will help. An X79 platform would be good for you. Not only does it offer more cores/threads, you also get quad-channel memory on the X79 platform. Not only can you load it up with more RAM, you get the bandwidth of the quad-channel interface. You are definitely an X79 candidate.


Yes, will definitely be quad channel RAM. I am using 1600 RAM in my current rig. In the Haswell rig I am thinking of going with something a little fast, maybe 8 sticks of Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR3 1866 - might be overkill to go faster than that. Regards, Mike

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March 26, 2013 4:46:36 AM

ncmike said:
ubercake said:
I would say your better with Photoshop and as much RAM as you can load onto the motherboard. Photoshop is one of those programs that allows you to specify how much of the systems RAM you will allocate for Photoshop use under program preferences.

If you're dealing with giant RAW files, RAM is where it's at because less will be going to virtual memory (disk), during basic operations. Less disk operations means faster performance.

Faster RAM will make a difference and like itzdanielp said, more CPU cores will help. An X79 platform would be good for you. Not only does it offer more cores/threads, you also get quad-channel memory on the X79 platform. Not only can you load it up with more RAM, you get the bandwidth of the quad-channel interface. You are definitely an X79 candidate.


Yes, will definitely be quad channel RAM. I am using 1600 RAM in my current rig. In the Haswell rig I am thinking of going with something a little fast, maybe 8 sticks of Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR3 1866 - might be overkill to go faster than that. Regards, Mike



Haswell's looking to be a dual-channel memory bandwidth:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswe...

Your current i7-920 X58 build offers triple-channel. X79 Sandy Bridge-E platforms will give you quad-channel.

Tests actually show memory bandwidth for Haswell lower than Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswe...

Quad-channel memory bandwidth is why I'm thinking an X79 platform is your best option. Your going to see better performance going with this than you would with slight performance increase by using faster RAM on a dual-channel interface.
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March 26, 2013 6:23:19 AM

ubercake said:
ncmike said:
ubercake said:
I would say your better with Photoshop and as much RAM as you can load onto the motherboard. Photoshop is one of those programs that allows you to specify how much of the systems RAM you will allocate for Photoshop use under program preferences.

If you're dealing with giant RAW files, RAM is where it's at because less will be going to virtual memory (disk), during basic operations. Less disk operations means faster performance.

Faster RAM will make a difference and like itzdanielp said, more CPU cores will help. An X79 platform would be good for you. Not only does it offer more cores/threads, you also get quad-channel memory on the X79 platform. Not only can you load it up with more RAM, you get the bandwidth of the quad-channel interface. You are definitely an X79 candidate.


Yes, will definitely be quad channel RAM. I am using 1600 RAM in my current rig. In the Haswell rig I am thinking of going with something a little fast, maybe 8 sticks of Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR3 1866 - might be overkill to go faster than that. Regards, Mike



Haswell's looking to be a dual-channel memory bandwidth:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswe...

Your current i7-920 X58 build offers triple-channel. X79 Sandy Bridge-E platforms will give you quad-channel.

Tests actually show memory bandwidth for Haswell lower than Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswe...

Quad-channel memory bandwidth is why I'm thinking an X79 platform is your best option. Your going to see better performance going with this than you would with slight performance increase by using faster RAM on a dual-channel interface.



Grrrrrr, you are right, Haswell 4770K is looking like dual channel. Humm might have to rethink X79 Sandy Bridge-E. I do prefer higher OC speeds though, and no one yet knows how the 4770K will OC...
Thanks for pointing that out. Mike

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March 26, 2013 7:50:37 AM

I am still confused how you are planning on getting 8 DIMMs on an Ivy-Bridge or a Haswell.

But it is definitely possible with X79.

Also, as much as we all like Overclocking. In this case more cores will be much more beneficial than more GHZ.
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March 26, 2013 9:31:04 AM

itzdanielp said:
I am still confused how you are planning on getting 8 DIMMs on an Ivy-Bridge or a Haswell.

But it is definitely possible with X79.

Also, as much as we all like Overclocking. In this case more cores will be much more beneficial than more GHZ.


I am not considering Ivy Bridge. I am considering the Sandy-E six-core 3930K OCed to 4.8GHz on an Asus Rampage Extreme which will take 64GB or RAM. The other option is waiting for the Haswell 4770K and the yet to emerge MOBs for it and hoping ther ewill be Haswell MOBs that support 64GB of RAM. However, as pointed out, the 4770K is only 4-core and only dual channel RAM and OC headroom unknown yet but, has a lower TDP and I expect the Haswell MOBs to have more RAID-capable SATA III ports than the current LGA 2011 boards, but I decided to go with a pair of Samsung Pro 512 SSDs in RAID 0 so I can get by with just the pair of RAID-capable SATA III ports on the current MOBs.

Of course its always nagging in the back of the mind if and how long it will Intel will take to release a six core 4 channel Haswell....


Regards Mike

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March 26, 2013 9:47:07 AM

That is the exact setup I would suggest going with.

Haswell itself will not be made with 6 core and quad channel memory, as that would be a complete redesign of the entire chipset.

IB-E, which may or may not be quad channel is not scheduled for another year or so, so Haswell-E (assuming they even make one) is probably about 3 years out.
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March 26, 2013 10:36:20 AM

itzdanielp said:
That is the exact setup I would suggest going with.

Haswell itself will not be made with 6 core and quad channel memory, as that would be a complete redesign of the entire chipset.

IB-E, which may or may not be quad channel is not scheduled for another year or so, so Haswell-E (assuming they even make one) is probably about 3 years out.


Yes, I am coming to the same conclusions. While I might (and that is a big might) get higher OC clock with Haswell and more SATA III/6 RAID ports, its anyone's guess if the extra OC will be worth it, if any - and even if so the extra Haswell OC might be more than negated by the six core and quad channel of the 3930K. We're probably within 60 days of the real Haswell and MOB specs - so I and trying to decide if its worth holding out just so that I can avoid surprises, but me think the 3930K will be the best bet to carry me 2-3 years.

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March 26, 2013 10:56:42 AM

That's why I recommended it. You are among the few that can really benefit from all the X79 platform has to offer.

From what I understand too, there will be no such thing as Ivy Bridge-E. I haven't heard anything otherwise. Usually Intel will release an enthusiast platform like X58 within a processor family, then we wait until the next big platform change (ie X79). Has anything been published or released with regard to IB-E?
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March 26, 2013 11:04:25 AM

ubercake said:
That's why I recommended it. You are among the few that can really benefit from all the X79 platform has to offer.

From what I understand too, there will be no such thing as Ivy Bridge-E. I haven't heard anything otherwise. Usually Intel will release an enthusiast platform like X58 within a processor family, then we wait until the next big platform change (ie X79). Has anything been published or released with regard to IB-E?


OK, back to the basic question though - what memory for the 64GB? Mike

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March 26, 2013 11:06:24 AM

ubercake said:
That's why I recommended it. You are among the few that can really benefit from all the X79 platform has to offer.

From what I understand too, there will be no such thing as Ivy Bridge-E. I haven't heard anything otherwise. Usually Intel will release an enthusiast platform like X58 within a processor family, then we wait until the next big platform change (ie X79). Has anything been published or released with regard to IB-E?


Last I heard it will be released, but it was pushed back from Q3 '13 to at least Q4 '13. However I think it is just a new series of chips, that will probably still use LGA-2011 and possibly X79, or a minor upgrade to X79. It is not a complete refresh (ie X58 - X79)
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March 26, 2013 11:26:02 AM

ncmike said:
ubercake said:
That's why I recommended it. You are among the few that can really benefit from all the X79 platform has to offer.

From what I understand too, there will be no such thing as Ivy Bridge-E. I haven't heard anything otherwise. Usually Intel will release an enthusiast platform like X58 within a processor family, then we wait until the next big platform change (ie X79). Has anything been published or released with regard to IB-E?


OK, back to the basic question though - what memory for the 64GB? Mike



How much money do you have to spend on it?

You could pick up 1600Mhz Corsair Vengeance 8x8GB kits for $460. 2400Mhz Corsair Dominator 8x8GB kits run just over $1000. There are many speeds in between. Like I said, the faster RAM speed is really not going to get you a heck of a lot of performance. Each will give you some minute bit of improvement.
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March 26, 2013 1:32:25 PM

ubercake said:
ncmike said:
ubercake said:
That's why I recommended it. You are among the few that can really benefit from all the X79 platform has to offer.

From what I understand too, there will be no such thing as Ivy Bridge-E. I haven't heard anything otherwise. Usually Intel will release an enthusiast platform like X58 within a processor family, then we wait until the next big platform change (ie X79). Has anything been published or released with regard to IB-E?


OK, back to the basic question though - what memory for the 64GB? Mike



How much money do you have to spend on it?

You could pick up 1600Mhz Corsair Vengeance 8x8GB kits for $460. 2400Mhz Corsair Dominator 8x8GB kits run just over $1000. There are many speeds in between. Like I said, the faster RAM speed is really not going to get you a heck of a lot of performance. Each will give you some minute bit of improvement.


No limit cost wise, but don't want to waste money either. I was happy to have gone to 1600 for my i7-920 rig when everyone was saying don't need to go beyond 1333, so I'll probably do similar and go for 2133 this time and not sure if I should stick to 1.5V which I hear is best to do for Intel-based boards, but I do see some builds using 1.65v RAM. I don't typically OC my RAM - just use XMP. One kit I've considered is G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 32GB 2133 (Two 4 x 8GB kits at 1.5v for about $300 USD per 32GB kit for a total of $600.

Regards, Mike

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March 26, 2013 2:20:29 PM

Thanks for all of the good advice. So here is my current build spec:

Components I Already Have in Hand

Case: Coolermaster CM Storm Series Trooper. Yah, it's a beast, but I've loved my HAF-932 and this is a step up from that incredible case.
PSU: Corsair AX1200i modular (yes, I will be driving at least one EVGA GTX 4GB 690, or two 680's at some later date)
Cooler: Corsair H100i Hydro. I loved my H100, might even get the Corsair Link kit
DVD BR: Two LG Blue Ray 14x rewriters
SSDs: Two Samsung 840 Pro 512GB SSD (will run in RAID 0 array (OS, apps, and temp data)
Main DATA HDDs: Two Seagate 3TB Sata III Baracuda HDDs
CF/SD/SDXC Internal Reader: Uspeed USB3.0 3.5" multi card reader
Display Card: I'll start out using my current 2GB Sapphire Toxic HD 5850. (Later I plan to upgrade to EVA GTX 680's or a 690 for gaming and some video editing higher end 30" monitor).


Yet to get

CPU: Core i7-3930K Sandy- E OCed to a 4.8GHz target or better starting with a CPU ratio of 48 @1.35v (hopefully I get a good sample) on the H100i cooler, XMP mode.
Motherboard: Asus Rampage IV Extreme 64GB Two SATA III RAID ports, 4 SATA II ports
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 2x32GB kits @ 2133 (11-11-11-31)

My current rig I am moving to my studio is an i7-920 running 24GB 1600 RAM, a pair of SATA II Intel X25-M 256GB in RAID 0 on an H100 OCed to 4.0GHz -So between the 3930K, the additional RAM, and the pair of SATA III Samsung pro 512GB SSDs I am expecting a decent improvement for my main workstation. Regards, Mike
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March 26, 2013 2:40:48 PM

Looks solid! Best of luck!
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March 27, 2013 6:28:37 AM

Great build.
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March 29, 2013 1:58:08 PM

well whatever you decide on you won't be using 64gb of ram with a haswell chip.
itzdanielp: Just seen that and tried (unsuccessfully) to delete the post.
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March 29, 2013 1:59:11 PM

maxcellerate said:
well whatever you decide on you won't be using 64gb of ram with a haswell chip.


He's not going with Haswell, as he posted he is going with SB-E
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March 29, 2013 3:05:18 PM

ncmike said:
Thanks for all of the good advice. So here is my current build spec:

Components I Already Have in Hand

Case: Coolermaster CM Storm Series Trooper. Yah, it's a beast, but I've loved my HAF-932 and this is a step up from that incredible case.
PSU: Corsair AX1200i modular (yes, I will be driving at least one EVGA GTX 4GB 690, or two 680's at some later date)
Cooler: Corsair H100i Hydro. I loved my H100, might even get the Corsair Link kit
DVD BR: Two LG Blue Ray 14x rewriters
SSDs: Two Samsung 840 Pro 512GB SSD (will run in RAID 0 array (OS, apps, and temp data)
Main DATA HDDs: Two Seagate 3TB Sata III Baracuda HDDs
CF/SD/SDXC Internal Reader: Uspeed USB3.0 3.5" multi card reader
Display Card: I'll start out using my current 2GB Sapphire Toxic HD 5850. (Later I plan to upgrade to EVA GTX 680's or a 690 for gaming and some video editing higher end 30" monitor).


Yet to get

CPU: Core i7-3930K Sandy- E OCed to a 4.8GHz target or better starting with a CPU ratio of 48 @1.35v (hopefully I get a good sample) on the H100i cooler, XMP mode.
Motherboard: Asus Rampage IV Extreme 64GB Two SATA III RAID ports, 4 SATA II ports
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 2x32GB kits @ 2133 (11-11-11-31)

My current rig I am moving to my studio is an i7-920 running 24GB 1600 RAM, a pair of SATA II Intel X25-M 256GB in RAID 0 on an H100 OCed to 4.0GHz -So between the 3930K, the additional RAM, and the pair of SATA III Samsung pro 512GB SSDs I am expecting a decent improvement for my main workstation. Regards, Mike

Well having now read most of the thread. I see that you have chosen almost exactly the same build as me. Quite uncanny, right down to the h100i!
My only thoughts are you might want to go for a 64gb kit rather than two 32's.
It's just that it seems that getting 64b to run stretches the i7 39xx's memory controller. And getting 8 memory modules that all work together is problematic.
If you buy a 64gb kit that's certified to work with the RIVE and the i73930k, then you've got some comeback if it doesn't.
G Skill (yes I got ripjawsz's to) has a couple.
As you're going for 2133mhz, gskill's got kits certified for the p79xpro (my original board of choice) which has the advantage of asus's own ramdisk utility, which could be very useful if you don't quiet need 64gig after all.
I am undecided on a video card and like you am going with one I've got until things settle down a bit.
One other point that might save you a few quid is why 512gb ssds? I got the samsung pros too, but I assume you are putting the OS on one, photoshop on the other, and using the hd's (I went for velociraptors) for files. Both the OS and photoshop only use a handful of gigs.
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March 29, 2013 3:19:17 PM

really sorry just seen you already have the huge ssds. Never mind eh? At least they will last you foreva.
ps don't raid 0 for anything but your scratch disk, which with 64gig hopefully you'll never have to hit. And don't use ssds for scratch, photoshop's constant history states will wear them out.
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March 30, 2013 11:46:46 AM

maxcellerate said:
really sorry just seen you already have the huge ssds. Never mind eh? At least they will last you foreva.
ps don't raid 0 for anything but your scratch disk, which with 64gig hopefully you'll never have to hit. And don't use ssds for scratch, photoshop's constant history states will wear them out.


See, now these are the statements that truly baffle me. My current rig main drive for system, apps, and CS6 scratch is on a pair of Intel X25M 256GB SSDs in RAID 0 and has been for more that two years know with no performance degradation whatsoever, and that is with >80% space used and NO TRIM! I originally had the system on just a single Intel X25M 256GB SSD and when I added the 2nd and put them in RAID 0 my system performance skyrocketed. So based on hands on experience, and with a total of 1GB when in RAID0 and SATA III with TRIM support for the two Samsung 840 Pro 512GB drives, that means far less space utilization, far higher performance, and RAID 0 SSD garbage TRIM collection under Win7 64 and a Series 7 MOB. I guess that argument is hard to buy since I have real life hands-on experience using such a config for a few years now and closely monitor my system performance throughout the life of my builds.

Regards,
Mike

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March 30, 2013 11:51:06 AM

maxcellerate said:
ncmike said:
Thanks for all of the good advice. So here is my current build spec:

Components I Already Have in Hand

Case: Coolermaster CM Storm Series Trooper. Yah, it's a beast, but I've loved my HAF-932 and this is a step up from that incredible case.
PSU: Corsair AX1200i modular (yes, I will be driving at least one EVGA GTX 4GB 690, or two 680's at some later date)
Cooler: Corsair H100i Hydro. I loved my H100, might even get the Corsair Link kit
DVD BR: Two LG Blue Ray 14x rewriters
SSDs: Two Samsung 840 Pro 512GB SSD (will run in RAID 0 array (OS, apps, and temp data)
Main DATA HDDs: Two Seagate 3TB Sata III Baracuda HDDs
CF/SD/SDXC Internal Reader: Uspeed USB3.0 3.5" multi card reader
Display Card: I'll start out using my current 2GB Sapphire Toxic HD 5850. (Later I plan to upgrade to EVA GTX 680's or a 690 for gaming and some video editing higher end 30" monitor).


Yet to get

CPU: Core i7-3930K Sandy- E OCed to a 4.8GHz target or better starting with a CPU ratio of 48 @1.35v (hopefully I get a good sample) on the H100i cooler, XMP mode.
Motherboard: Asus Rampage IV Extreme 64GB Two SATA III RAID ports, 4 SATA II ports
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 2x32GB kits @ 2133 (11-11-11-31)

My current rig I am moving to my studio is an i7-920 running 24GB 1600 RAM, a pair of SATA II Intel X25-M 256GB in RAID 0 on an H100 OCed to 4.0GHz -So between the 3930K, the additional RAM, and the pair of SATA III Samsung pro 512GB SSDs I am expecting a decent improvement for my main workstation. Regards, Mike

Well having now read most of the thread. I see that you have chosen almost exactly the same build as me. Quite uncanny, right down to the h100i!
My only thoughts are you might want to go for a 64gb kit rather than two 32's.
It's just that it seems that getting 64b to run stretches the i7 39xx's memory controller. And getting 8 memory modules that all work together is problematic.
If you buy a 64gb kit that's certified to work with the RIVE and the i73930k, then you've got some comeback if it doesn't.
G Skill (yes I got ripjawsz's to) has a couple.
As you're going for 2133mhz, gskill's got kits certified for the p79xpro (my original board of choice) which has the advantage of asus's own ramdisk utility, which could be very useful if you don't quiet need 64gig after all.
I am undecided on a video card and like you am going with one I've got until things settle down a bit.
One other point that might save you a few quid is why 512gb ssds? I got the samsung pros too, but I assume you are putting the OS on one, photoshop on the other, and using the hd's (I went for velociraptors) for files. Both the OS and photoshop only use a handful of gigs.


Ah! I have been looking for a 64GB kit that is certified to work with the i7-3930 on either a Rampage IV Extreme or a P9X79 Deluxe which I am also seriously considering. but when I looked at the listing for certified memory kits neither listed a 64GB kit!

Regards,
Mike

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May 15, 2013 3:55:17 AM

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maxcellerate said:
ncmike said:
Thanks for all of the good advice. So here is my current build spec:

Components I Already Have in Hand

Case: Coolermaster CM Storm Series Trooper. Yah, it's a beast, but I've loved my HAF-932 and this is a step up from that incredible case.
PSU: Corsair AX1200i modular (yes, I will be driving at least one EVGA GTX 4GB 690, or two 680's at some later date)
Cooler: Corsair H100i Hydro. I loved my H100, might even get the Corsair Link kit
DVD BR: Two LG Blue Ray 14x rewriters
SSDs: Two Samsung 840 Pro 512GB SSD (will run in RAID 0 array (OS, apps, and temp data)
Main DATA HDDs: Two Seagate 3TB Sata III Baracuda HDDs
CF/SD/SDXC Internal Reader: Uspeed USB3.0 3.5" multi card reader
Display Card: I'll start out using my current 2GB Sapphire Toxic HD 5850. (Later I plan to upgrade to EVA GTX 680's or a 690 for gaming and some video editing higher end 30" monitor).


Yet to get

CPU: Core i7-3930K Sandy- E OCed to a 4.8GHz target or better starting with a CPU ratio of 48 @1.35v (hopefully I get a good sample) on the H100i cooler, XMP mode.
Motherboard: Asus Rampage IV Extreme 64GB Two SATA III RAID ports, 4 SATA II ports
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 2x32GB kits @ 2133 (11-11-11-31)

My current rig I am moving to my studio is an i7-920 running 24GB 1600 RAM, a pair of SATA II Intel X25-M 256GB in RAID 0 on an H100 OCed to 4.0GHz -So between the 3930K, the additional RAM, and the pair of SATA III Samsung pro 512GB SSDs I am expecting a decent improvement for my main workstation. Regards, Mike

Well having now read most of the thread. I see that you have chosen almost exactly the same build as me. Quite uncanny, right down to the h100i!
My only thoughts are you might want to go for a 64gb kit rather than two 32's.
It's just that it seems that getting 64b to run stretches the i7 39xx's memory controller. And getting 8 memory modules that all work together is problematic.
If you buy a 64gb kit that's certified to work with the RIVE and the i73930k, then you've got some comeback if it doesn't.
G Skill (yes I got ripjawsz's to) has a couple.
As you're going for 2133mhz, gskill's got kits certified for the p79xpro (my original board of choice) which has the advantage of asus's own ramdisk utility, which could be very useful if you don't quiet need 64gig after all.
I am undecided on a video card and like you am going with one I've got until things settle down a bit.
One other point that might save you a few quid is why 512gb ssds? I got the samsung pros too, but I assume you are putting the OS on one, photoshop on the other, and using the hd's (I went for velociraptors) for files. Both the OS and photoshop only use a handful of gigs.


Ah! I have been looking for a 64GB kit that is certified to work with the i7-3930 on either a Rampage IV Extreme or a P9X79 Deluxe which I am also seriously considering. but when I looked at the listing for certified memory kits neither listed a 64GB kit!

Regards,
Mike



the kit is certified by gskill not asus.
ps you know Photoshop can't use the 2nd gpu on the gtx690?
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May 15, 2013 4:28:22 AM

maxcellerate said:
ncmike said:
maxcellerate said:
ncmike said:
Thanks for all of the good advice. So here is my current build spec:

Components I Already Have in Hand

Case: Coolermaster CM Storm Series Trooper. Yah, it's a beast, but I've loved my HAF-932 and this is a step up from that incredible case.
PSU: Corsair AX1200i modular (yes, I will be driving at least one EVGA GTX 4GB 690, or two 680's at some later date)
Cooler: Corsair H100i Hydro. I loved my H100, might even get the Corsair Link kit
DVD BR: Two LG Blue Ray 14x rewriters
SSDs: Two Samsung 840 Pro 512GB SSD (will run in RAID 0 array (OS, apps, and temp data)
Main DATA HDDs: Two Seagate 3TB Sata III Baracuda HDDs
CF/SD/SDXC Internal Reader: Uspeed USB3.0 3.5" multi card reader
Display Card: I'll start out using my current 2GB Sapphire Toxic HD 5850. (Later I plan to upgrade to EVA GTX 680's or a 690 for gaming and some video editing higher end 30" monitor).


Yet to get

CPU: Core i7-3930K Sandy- E OCed to a 4.8GHz target or better starting with a CPU ratio of 48 @1.35v (hopefully I get a good sample) on the H100i cooler, XMP mode.
Motherboard: Asus Rampage IV Extreme 64GB Two SATA III RAID ports, 4 SATA II ports
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 2x32GB kits @ 2133 (11-11-11-31)

My current rig I am moving to my studio is an i7-920 running 24GB 1600 RAM, a pair of SATA II Intel X25-M 256GB in RAID 0 on an H100 OCed to 4.0GHz -So between the 3930K, the additional RAM, and the pair of SATA III Samsung pro 512GB SSDs I am expecting a decent improvement for my main workstation. Regards, Mike

Well having now read most of the thread. I see that you have chosen almost exactly the same build as me. Quite uncanny, right down to the h100i!
My only thoughts are you might want to go for a 64gb kit rather than two 32's.
It's just that it seems that getting 64b to run stretches the i7 39xx's memory controller. And getting 8 memory modules that all work together is problematic.
If you buy a 64gb kit that's certified to work with the RIVE and the i73930k, then you've got some comeback if it doesn't.
G Skill (yes I got ripjawsz's to) has a couple.
As you're going for 2133mhz, gskill's got kits certified for the p79xpro (my original board of choice) which has the advantage of asus's own ramdisk utility, which could be very useful if you don't quiet need 64gig after all.
I am undecided on a video card and like you am going with one I've got until things settle down a bit.
One other point that might save you a few quid is why 512gb ssds? I got the samsung pros too, but I assume you are putting the OS on one, photoshop on the other, and using the hd's (I went for velociraptors) for files. Both the OS and photoshop only use a handful of gigs.


Ah! I have been looking for a 64GB kit that is certified to work with the i7-3930 on either a Rampage IV Extreme or a P9X79 Deluxe which I am also seriously considering. but when I looked at the listing for certified memory kits neither listed a 64GB kit!

Regards,
Mike



the kit is certified by gskill not asus.
ps you know Photoshop can't use the 2nd gpu on the gtx690?




I decided against the 690(s). I have a good Sapphire Toxic 2GB GDDR5 5850 OC Edition and will get Firepro V7900 instead to get a full 30-bit pipeline to support the new 30" 30-bit U3014. Here is the final build with pics: http://pcpartpicker.com/b/BHn

Regards,
Mike
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May 15, 2013 6:52:01 AM

So here is my current build spec:

I decided against the 690(s). I have a good Sapphire Toxic 2GB GDDR5 5850 OC Edition and will get Firepro V7900 instead to get a full 30-bit pipeline to support the new 30" 30-bit U3014. Here is the final build with pics: http://pcpartpicker.com/b/BHn

NICE, how odd, I've ended up with a Titan as I decided there are just too many cuda apps and plugins out there not to. Are you sure you need the Fire for 30bit colour, I'm pretty sure you get that with the 7970, or just about anything else.
PS I see you're getting a very healthy 4.8ghz out of your 3930k, looks like you've got a 'goodun'

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May 15, 2013 6:57:30 AM

maxcellerate said:
So here is my current build spec:

I decided against the 690(s). I have a good Sapphire Toxic 2GB GDDR5 5850 OC Edition and will get Firepro V7900 instead to get a full 30-bit pipeline to support the new 30" 30-bit U3014. Here is the final build with pics: http://pcpartpicker.com/b/BHn

NICE, how odd, I've ended up with a Titan as I decided there are just too many cuda apps and plugins out there not to. Are you sure you need the Fire for 30bit colour, I'm pretty sure you get that with the 7970, or just about anything else.





THAT is the $64,000 question. Very confusing. Everything I've researched says none of the gaming cards support 30-bit color (or at least there are no drivers for it). Maddening 'cause I'd love a Titan for gaming and optimize for PS.

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May 15, 2013 9:47:36 AM

THAT is the $64,000 question. Very confusing. Everything I've researched says none of the gaming cards support 30-bit color (or at least there are no drivers for it). Maddening 'cause I'd love a Titan for gaming and optimize for PS.

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Hmm, looks like you're right. 10 bit colour is supported, but not in photoshop and it seems not at all on the Titan. Still the good news is the Fire's cheaper than the Titan :) 
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