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My projected first build, potential networking issues, and build suggestions.

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March 27, 2013 1:54:35 PM

Hey guys, i have never really been a very PC or tech savy person but i have for the past few months really warmed up to the idea of building my own PC, primarily for gaming, movies, music, general web browsing and some torrenting, along with my new addiction youtube :p  I've been researching everything i need to know about building a PC, and think i have a solid grasp on the general concepts and how to knowledge. In no way am i an expert or big enthusiast when it comes to computers but i like to think i am above average of the general public. Now enough rambling:p  There are two reasons i need this sites help:

1) I would like some critique on my build as well as some suggestions you guys could make that would be more ideal for my build budget which will roughly be around $1500 max.

Here is the link to my build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/cpereira94/saved/1d7g

2) Since i will still be living with my parents for the next year or so until i save up enough money to move out and pay for both my school tuition and a place to live, i will most likely be placing my new rig in the basement of my home being that we already have a desktop computer on the top floor of our 3 story home. There lies the problem, my router and Ethernet port all lies on the top floor and is already occupied with the home desktop, since my PC will be two floors below my wireless router in the basement. I can barely get a decent wi fi signal on my i pad in only certain areas of the basement and i am concerned and fairly certain that establishing a solid network connection will not be possible considering i will be running more demanding things on my PC such as torrents and hopefully Online gaming.

So here lies my current predicament, I am open to any sort of solution and suggestion so please be honest and open. Thanks for your time and i hope i didnt take too much time out of your day!

March 27, 2013 2:04:14 PM

You probably should change your ram to either 8gb or 16gb total (ddr3 1600, 1.5v), using only two sticks so it will run in dual channel mode.
March 27, 2013 2:13:04 PM

spankmon said:
You probably should change your ram to either 8gb or 16gb total (ddr3 1600, 1.5v), using only two sticks so it will run in dual channel mode.


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March 27, 2013 2:14:53 PM

This would be my suggestion.

You don't need 12 gb of ram.
Get a bigger hard drive with 64 Mb Cache instead of 16.
The 7950 and 670 are neck and neck in performance. And the 7950 is much cheaper.
I added the Long range wifi adapter. which i own and get very good results. But gaming over wifi is never really a good idea. if you can physically run ethernet cable from upstairs it would be better. or get your internet service provider to come hook up another modem downstairs.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($58.79 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($128.55 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.97 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VE247H 23.6" Monitor ($174.99 @ NCIX US)
Keyboard: Razer DeathStalker Wired Gaming Keyboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Razer Imperator Mass Effect 3 Edition Wired Laser Mouse
Other: Long Range WiFi Adapter. ($30.99)
Total: $1475.18
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-27 17:12 EDT-0400)

Edit: and your power supply was overkill for the system. got a cheaper one of great quality.
Also, added a cpu cooler, since you are set up here to do overclocking and do not have one.
this is the wifi adapter. i have go a good signal with it from over 500 ft away from an access point.
http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-AWUS036H-802-11b-Wireless-ne...
March 27, 2013 2:21:24 PM

My thoughts:

on the pc:
A mostly reasonable and good list of parts.
1. 12gb is a strange size for a Z77 motherboard. One 4gb stick will be operating in single channel mode.
Just go ahead and buy a16gb kit of 2 x 8gb. 1333 is ok, but 1600 is not much more expensive.
2. Your hard drive is a 2.5" notebook drive optimized for power savings, not performance. WD black would be better.
But, with your budget, I would defer on the hard drive and start with a ssd. 120gb will hold the os and a handful of games. With 180 or 240gb, you may never need a hard drive at all.
3. I would add a inexpensive($30?) cooler like the cm hyper212 or Xigmatek. It will run quieter and cooler, helping a overclock.
4. Look for a ips panel monitor with a 178/178 viewing angle. Something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Pert II your network.
Are you using wireless N? If not, it is stronger, so perhaps your upstairs router can be changed.
Or, 100 feet of good lan cable is not very expensive.
I had a similar situation, and I ran such a cable from my upstairs router outside the house, downstairs and back in.
I used a 2 foot long 1/2" drill to get outside through the wall and back in
March 27, 2013 2:21:34 PM

Interesting, what are the benefits of dual chan mode tho? I chose that ram because it was relatively cheap for the amount of ram I was getting. Also I've read that 8 gb's of ram is good for most games as of right now but I would like to future proof my Pc for the next 3-4 years and I wasn't quite sure if 8 gb's would be enough?:p 
March 27, 2013 2:25:06 PM

Cpereira94 said:
Interesting, what are the benefits of dual chan mode tho? I chose that ram because it was relatively cheap for the amount of ram I was getting. Also I've read that 8 gb's of ram is good for most games as of right now but I would like to future proof my Pc for the next 3-4 years and I wasn't quite sure if 8 gb's would be enough?:p 


buy 2 4gig sticks for now, if you find its not enough. Which it should be. buy 2 more sticks down the road.
March 27, 2013 2:35:44 PM

No game I know of can use more than 2-3gb by itself. So if you are only gaming, and not a heavy multitasker, 8gb is really sufficient. But, ram is relatively cheap so I have no problem with 16gb. Windows will use extra ram to keep code in ram in anticipation of instant reuse.

Dual channel operation doubles the speed of ram by allowing simultaneous reads across two channels. It is a good thing.

Ram is sold in kits for a reason.
Ram from the same vendor and part number can be made up of differing manufacturing components over time.
Some motherboards can be very sensitive to this.
That is why ram vendors will not support ram that is not bought in one kit.
Although, I think the problem has lessened with the newer Intel chipsets. Still,
it is safer to get what you need in one kit.
March 27, 2013 2:36:54 PM

Ok so 8 gb of ram it is then:) 
I am willing to cut back on storage because i could just store things like music, movies, and extra files on the family desktop. I could only use my storage for os and games so would and SSd be a better alternative?

Also regarding my GPU, at the start of my build I originally opted for a gtx 680 but switched to a 670 because I felt the increase in performance would be minimal and wasn't worth the extra 100 bucks, is this the same deal with the AMD 7950 as oppose to the 670 ? Tbh I never really looked at AMD cards because people have told me that Nvidia was the way to go for mid to high end cards and Nvidia cards came with sweet features like phys x , v sync, CPU boost, etc...
March 27, 2013 3:43:30 PM

as mentioned wi fi for gaming isnt ideal

but if you cant run an ethernet cable either look into powerline adapters--they run the internet through your home wiring

or get a high gain antenna for your wireless card the antenna screws onto it

something like a yagi

or make yourself a biquad antenna--simple and cheap and seriously effective--about 14db gain

i can hardly get a signal through my victorian building walls --only pick up 7 networks on my laptop

all with poor signal

using a biquad i get 5 bars on my network and can see 70 other networks

either of those antenna would work with the alfa mentioned--theres also newer alfas with n instead of b/g
March 27, 2013 4:15:14 PM

@mcnumpty23
Im pretty sure i have an Ethernet cable somewhere in the house from the good ol' days of online gaming with my ps2 :p  Im not too sure however if its still in good condition or if it is up to par with my current wireless network. Even if it does check out im not sure my parents will be too pleased to have a long cord running through our house so i would have to stick with a wireless connection for most of the day. I have looked into powerline adapters as well although im not sure if it'll be good enough for online gaming.

My current router was given to us from our ISP so im not too sure if it is wireless N,B or G. However we have been using for the better part of a year now so it may be wireless N. I live in Canada so idk if your aware of the company Bell but that is my ISP, and the router manufacturer is Sagecom.
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