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SAPPHIRE HD 7970 3GHz far cry 3 low fps 1920x1200 75Hz HELP WITH SETTINGS!!

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March 30, 2013 3:23:46 AM

I'll start by listing my specs.
Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3 ghz (No overclocking done in catalyst)
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6400+ 3.21 GHz
4 GHz Physical Memory
(My monitor has a 75Hz refresh rate at 1920x1200 and i am not sure if this is a problem)

-some general tips to increase performance would be helpful as well.

Okay, I need help with where to have my settings at (Far Cry 3 Specifically) because i am sittin at an average of 17-20 fps on "Ultra", as i have seen other people with nearly identical specs having 40-60 Some advice on where to have my video settings would be great. Other games of high demand run great (BF3, Bioshock Infinite, MoH WF)

Catalyst version 13.1

Running games at 1920x1200


SSAO Method apparently matters between AMD and Nvidia, which should i use for my 7970?

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March 30, 2013 3:38:15 AM

CPU...
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March 30, 2013 3:39:58 AM

Your CPU is bottlenecking the hd 7970! Try to overclock your cpu as much as you can to help lessen the bottleneck or buy a new cpu and motherboard as you CPU is almost always going to cause low fps in your games. For the hd 7970 use HDAO.
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March 30, 2013 3:41:48 AM

A bit outdated CPU, but oh well.

Make sure you have the latest Catalyst Application Profiles. (12.11 CAP 2)
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March 30, 2013 3:49:06 AM

Groomer said:
A bit outdated CPU, but oh well.

Make sure you have the latest Catalyst Application Profiles. (12.11 CAP 2)


I am not sure about how to go about getting Application Profiles, and which/where to get them.

Everyone, i understand my 3.21 Dual core is not OPTIMAL for Gaming, but there is absolutely No way i should be taking such an enormous performance hit. also, if someone could tell me if my monitor is causing any issues that'd be great. (Dell U2410)

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March 30, 2013 3:53:16 AM

lloydloo said:
Your CPU is bottlenecking the hd 7970! Try to overclock your cpu as much as you can to help lessen the bottleneck or buy a new cpu and motherboard as you CPU is almost always going to cause low fps in your games. For the hd 7970 use HDAO.

I also continue to hear the Term "Bottleneck". i know it means to squeeze the power of my GPU through the small gap of my CPU. But it can NOT be that significant to have me sit at 17 frames. There must an in-game or Catalyst setting i am overlooking. My drivers are all up to date. That said,
How the hell do i overclock my processor. And is that a good choice? (I cannot afford a new mobo/cpu/ram atm)

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March 30, 2013 3:53:19 AM

Install the latest Catalyst beta drivers (13.3 beta 3) it improves performance for many of the new games that came out this year (including Far Cry 3)

1920x1200 resolution is larger than HD, but not by a lot. Monitor refresh rate does not affect graphics performance.

No need to be shy about overclocking, its actually very easy. Install MSI Afterburner and set Power Limit to +20, Core Clock to 1125, Memory Clock to 1575. Enable the 'Apply overclocking at system startup' at the bottom of the ui. Then go into settings and enable both 'Start with Windows' and 'Start minimized'. Almost all Sapphire 7970 will easily run stable on those settings.
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March 30, 2013 3:58:55 AM

huilun02 said:
Install the latest Catalyst beta drivers (13.3 beta 3) it improves performance for many of the new games that came out this year (including Far Cry 3)

1920x1200 resolution is larger than HD, but not by a lot. Monitor refresh rate does not affect graphics performance.

No need to be shy about overclocking, its actually very easy. Install MSI Afterburner and set Power Limit to +20, Core Clock to 1125, Memory Clock to 1575. Enable the 'Apply overclocking at system startup' at the bottom of the ui. Then go into settings and enable both 'Start with Windows' and 'Start minimized'. Almost all Sapphire 7970 will easily run stable on those settings.


This is incredibly informative Huilun thank you, I will download MSI Afterburner right now, I will return shortly after i have done what you said. and are you saying to do those overclock settings on my CPU via MSI Afterburner? those speeds sound like what's available in catalyst for my Video Card(Pardon for sounding illiterate)

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March 30, 2013 3:59:15 AM

as you can see from the posts your gpu is fine but your CPU is the issue. time for an upgrade my friend or a serious overclock
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March 30, 2013 4:12:23 AM

I adjusted power limit to +20% put core clock to 1200 ( I know you said 1125, but i didn't include in description that i have the OC Edition.) and memory clock at 1575 as ordered. Also installed 12.11 app profile. I won't install beta driver until i'm sure i need to.
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March 30, 2013 4:28:05 AM

No blynded, MSI Afterburner overclocks your graphics card only, it does not affect your CPU.

To overclock your CPU you will have to enter the system bios and alter settings before booting Windows, which is a risky and scary thing to do for someone who has not done it before because one wrong setting can cause instability, crashing or prevent Windows from booting at all.

Every mobo has different features and specs and their bios can look very different, so it is very difficult for anyone online to identify and guide you to what you need to change. To begin with, your Athlon 6400 has to be a black edition in order to be overclocked.

All I can do is to help you improve the performance of your graphics card, which assumes most responsibility for graphics related issues. Although it might be true that your processor is bottlenecking your graphics performance, I believe enhancements made to GPU utilization can still yield positive results.
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March 30, 2013 4:29:16 AM

EMERGENCY. The game will not play anymore. I click continue, and it crashes while loading.
And i figured that out (about afterburner) as i read around haha. My question now is if i should do those settings in Afterburner or the ATI Catalyst suite?
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March 30, 2013 4:32:29 AM

check your game cache ingerity if using steam, try re-installing game if not, reinstall drivers....but its sounds like your rig is at the end of its life.
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March 30, 2013 4:35:34 AM

atomicWAR said:
check your game cache ingerity if using steam, try re-installing game if not, reinstall drivers....but its sounds like your rig is at the end of its life.


Listen dude, I asked the question to get HELP. I have no interest hearing about how my system is dated, it's a nice system, well cooled, and has been great to me. Please stop staying i need a new setup, it is unnecessary. Thanks.
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March 30, 2013 4:36:08 AM

blynded said:
I adjusted power limit to +20% put core clock to 1200 ( I know you said 1125, but i didn't include in description that i have the OC Edition.) and memory clock at 1575 as ordered. Also installed 12.11 app profile. I won't install beta driver until i'm sure i need to.


Your graphics card does not need to have an 'OC' or any kind of designations to be overclocked. You just overclocked it yourself :) 

Still you should install the Catalyst beta drivers, it won't cause any problems. The last release drivers are already very old, and do not contain the mass accumulation of tweaks the beta has that can really improve graphic performance in the latest games. The beta driver even solves stutter issues that have been plaguing AMD cards (although it doesn't seem to be an issue for you, it is a BIG issue for those who have)

edit: yes, overclock using Afterburner. Do everything in my first post and Afterburner will ensure your graphics card remains overclocked even after you reboot. If you encounter problems, click the reset button and it will return your card to factory settings.
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March 30, 2013 4:40:01 AM

blynded said:
atomicWAR said:
check your game cache ingerity if using steam, try re-installing game if not, reinstall drivers....but its sounds like your rig is at the end of its life.


Listen dude, I asked the question to get HELP. I have no interest hearing about how my system is dated, it's a nice system, well cooled, and has been great to me. Please stop staying i need a new setup, it is unnecessary. Thanks.


look i am not telling you only to get a new set-up...i am trouble shooting for you...big differance.

if your system is not performing unpar with other people with he same specs i am trying to tell yo something is wrong and it may be a hardware fault (may not thus my other suggestions). i also suggested overclocking...i am trying to give you the best information. that is all.

i am sorry you don't like what i am saying but i am being honest and thorough. that is all. no reason to get upset. i am happy to try every route possible to help you. if you don't want real help then don't ask.
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March 30, 2013 4:49:56 AM

atomicWAR said:
blynded said:
atomicWAR said:
check your game cache ingerity if using steam, try re-installing game if not, reinstall drivers....but its sounds like your rig is at the end of its life.


Listen dude, I asked the question to get HELP. I have no interest hearing about how my system is dated, it's a nice system, well cooled, and has been great to me. Please stop staying i need a new setup, it is unnecessary. Thanks.


look i am not telling you only to get a new set-up...i am trouble shooting for you...big differance.

if your system is not performing unpar with other people with he same specs i am trying to tell yo something is wrong and it may be a hardware fault (may not thus my other suggestions). i also suggested overclocking...i am trying to give you the best information. that is all.

i am sorry you don't like what i am saying but i am being honest and thorough. that is all. no reason to get upset. i am happy to try every route possible to help you. if you don't want real help then don't ask.


I understand. And you are probably right. Thank you.
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March 30, 2013 4:52:26 AM

anytime i know you must be very frustrated and upset i totally get it.

on topic as i do want to help...is your game a digital copy?
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March 30, 2013 4:55:22 AM

atomicWAR said:
anytime i know you must be very frustrated and upset i totally get it.

on topic as i do want to help...is your game a digital copy?


It is, the damn game was Included with my card. and *UPDATE* Installing 13.3 beta Driver atm, also. Game runs now, but with no increase in performance. Not notable at least.
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March 30, 2013 5:00:59 AM

if its a steam copy right click the game choose properties and go to file and select check game cache integrity. if not steam just reinstall the whole thing...also defragment your hard-drive as it may also help. if the beta driver doesn't help your left with over clocking
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March 30, 2013 5:06:40 AM

Hi Blynded,

I think you are missing the point here. Your 7970 is an amazing card, but your system is holding it back hugely.
No matter how much you tweak the card, you will not see that much aditional performance. Your CPU simply isn't able to provide the 7970 with enough data for it to work optimally.

The advise all the guys are giving is absolutely correct. To see any increase in your FPS in gaming, you will need a better CPU. A good quad core will have enough power to drive your 7970 at its fullest. You will see a huge increase in performance. In youre eyes your system might be 'well cooled, and has been great to me' however, in the eyes of the tech community on Toms, it's not so cool and nice. It IS dated. You should consider upgrading elements of your system or a full upgrade to an I5, I7 to give you the results your looking for. The guys here in Toms know their stuff, so don't be so dismissive of what they are telling you. To be honest choosing the 7970 to go with your system was a mistake to begin with. You should have researched more, and chosen a more balanced card to go with your system.

Anyway, good luck with your gaming. I dont think you will see any significant change in your FPS untill you upgrade yoru system.
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March 30, 2013 5:23:04 AM

Your CPU is 100% the problem for your performance. I used to have that same CPU, and I can even show you some old benchmarks I made when I switched from the 6400+ to a lowly x3 710 Phenom 2. The FPS pretty much doubled for my 3870 crossfire setup at the time. 2 3870's are not even close to the same performance as a 7970 and it was still bottlenecked. Here are those benchmarks I was talking about.

System Information
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP
System memory: 2.0 GB
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6400+
CPU speed: 3433 MHz
Sound system: SB Audigy 4 [E800]
VGA Information
Graphics card: ATI Radeon HD 3870 edit 3870 x2
Memory: 512.0 MB
Driver version: 6.14.0010.6912 (English)
Benchmark Information
Benchmark type: Flyby
Demo: vCTF-Corruption
Motion Blur: Disabled
Hardware Physics: Disabled
Anisotropic filtering: 16×

Resolution: 1280 × 720 (Custom)
Score = 101 FPS



And after:


The benchmark started at 13/05/2009 6:52:43 PM

System Information
Operating system: Windows 7 Ultimate
System memory: 2047 MB
CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X3 710 Processor
CPU speed: 3333 MHz
Graphics card: - 0 MB edit 3870 x2
Benchmark Information
Benchmark type: Flyby
Demo: vCTF-Corruption
Motion Blur: Disabled
Hardware Physics: Disabled
Anisotropic filtering: 16×



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Resolution: 1280 × 720 (Custom)
Score = 216 FPS


The video cards didn't read right, so I had to edit them in. I ran these tests right before I added the 2 extra gigs of ram as well.(just in case people see my sig. ) I did the tests in 1280x720 because it was the closest to the default resolution.(1280x1024)

I can do it at 1920x1080 as well, so here it is:

The benchmark started at 13/05/2009 6:47:49 PM

System Information
Operating system: Windows 7 Ultimate
System memory: 2047 MB
CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X3 710 Processor
CPU speed: 3333 MHz
Graphics card: - 0 MB edit 3870 x2
Benchmark Information
Benchmark type: Flyby
Demo: vCTF-Corruption
Motion Blur: Disabled
Hardware Physics: Disabled
Anisotropic filtering: 16×



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Resolution: 1920×1080 (HD WideScreen)
Score = 137 FPS

Notice how my FPS at 1080p was higher with the x3 710, than the 720p run with the 6400+. There was a very serious bottleneck going on.

PS: Also notice that I had my 6400+ overclocked as far as I could push it as well at the time. I only got an extra 200mhz out of it. The x3 710 was OC'ed from 2.6ghz to 3.3ghz as well. I don't have the bench to show it, but the x3 710 at stock was still pushing the cards a lot more than the 6400+ overclocked. You need to save up for a bit and get a new CPU+Mobo+Ram. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's just the facts. Your wasting your time trying to find a magical solution for your performance issue, and your going to find out that ALOT more games are going to be affected by the same issue. Hell even my x6 PHII at 4.0ghz bottlenecks my HD7950 in some cases, lol.
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March 30, 2013 5:29:03 AM

Since you can't upgrade your CPU anytime soon, I suggest that you either a) save money for a new cpu and motherboard, and ram or b) sell your hd 7970 and buy a weaker graphics card while using the savings to upgrade your cpu and mobo(maybe a phenom 2 x4/athlon 2 x4/phenome 2 x2 and am3+ mobo with 4gb ddr3). Oh yeah and Far Cry 3 should be taking a huge performance hit because of your CPU because Far Cry 3 stresses both CPU and GPU.
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March 30, 2013 5:30:01 AM

blynded said:
atomicWAR said:
check your game cache ingerity if using steam, try re-installing game if not, reinstall drivers....but its sounds like your rig is at the end of its life.


Listen dude, I asked the question to get HELP. I have no interest hearing about how my system is dated, it's a nice system, well cooled, and has been great to me. Please stop staying i need a new setup, it is unnecessary. Thanks.
Your the one that needs to listen. Your CPU is 100% the problem. Now if you don't believe us that's not our problem.People are trying to help o.k. so get a clue.

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March 30, 2013 5:35:17 AM

Guys, high tidings have come my way. I'm getting approx 31 fps on Ultra, 4x msaa. The Beta Driver helped a bunch, and just simply boosting my clock via afterburner (Though the game crashed when i MAX'd the boost) Everyone thank you so much for your help. I totally understand now that I am bottlenecking this powerful card with my weak CPU. Thanks for those Benchmarks, I can definitely see the difference. Overall, after fiddling around with settings, and getting my clocking in order, we have solved the problem. (For now at least) Thanks a ton everyone. Sorry if i aggravated anyone. Think of it this way "I have had my car for 4 years, it's got a/c and power windows and shit, but it's old. The brand new equivalent has GPS and heated seats. mine still has quality and usefulness, i don't need to buy that new car, how can i make this one work the best it can"
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March 30, 2013 5:36:18 AM

anytime....pass on the solution love to whom ever you think earned it.
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March 30, 2013 5:37:19 AM

You're Welcome
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