Choosing a build for video editing/rendering on a budget

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Hello, I have recently had my laptop stolen and am now looking to buy a new desktop.
My laptop was a quad core and was capable of running modern games in the lowest settings with no lag.
(http://www.elive.co.nz/acer-as5750g-2414g75bn-i5-laptop-dv4166.php)

I was able to render videos at blue-ray quality if I left it running over night however it got quite hot and I was not able to multi-task at all.

I would like to be able to at least use microsoft word and check facebook on my computer while rendering and not have to leave it overnight to render a three minute video. I do not play games that often but would like to be able to run future games for the next four-six years without having to upgrade extensively.

I live in New Zealand and the availability of parts may differ but I am currently looking at these components (I have chosen the cheapest components using an online shopping calculator):
CPU: Intel i7 3770
http://ectservices.co.nz/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30274
(I have chosen not to go for the 3770K as it is $50 (New Zealand Dollars) more expensive. It is to my understanding that the main difference between the two CPUs is that the 3770K is able to be overclocked. For tasks such as video rendering and gaming how much of an effect will this have and is it worth the extra money?)


GPU: GTX 660 2GB
http://ectservices.co.nz/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30132
OR
http://ectservices.co.nz/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30131
OR
http://www.pcforce.co.nz/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-660-oc-hdmi-displayport-dualdvi-2gb-p-2293.html
(unsure which brand to go with, it is worth it to pay more for a different brand?)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H LGA 1155
http://ectservices.co.nz/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30237
(is this compatible with my CPU? On the website it says it is a mATX but on other websites it says it is compatible with the 3770 even though the CPU is ATX)

RAM: Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz CL9
http://ectservices.co.nz/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30169
(this is the cheapest 8BG RAM I could find, is it suitable?)

PSU: 650W Aywun MEGA POWER A1-650-Elite Series Power Supply
http://ectservices.co.nz/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30190
(will this be able to power all of my components sufficiently?)

Hard drive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB ST1000DM003 64MB SATA3
http://ectservices.co.nz/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29883

Is there anything else I should be aware of in terms of hidden costs, overheating, compatibility issues, future proofing, noise, etc?

Is it worth buying a Solid State Drive for Windows, Adobe programs and games? Would it be best to wait until they are cheaper?

I would really like to be able to downgrade to save money as this system will cost around $1200 (NZD) rather than the $900 (NDZ) I originally had in mind, however I am unable to judge what sort of repercussions this might have in terms of speed, efficiency and future technologies.

Thank you for your time.
 
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Wait - what are you going to use the GPU for? Rendering?

And no, do not get that case. In that case (no pun intended), the 3770 would be ideal, as oveclocking would require a more expensive motherboard, and an aftermarket cooler. Considering the hot climate you live in, yes, the 3770 with no overclocking seems like a smart buy.

So if you were to get the 3770, B75 MOBO instead of the Z77, and forget the Hyper 212, that would equate to roughly $1000.
I would then recommend the Antec One instead of the Eastek. It is only $40 more and I can personally say that it is good (I have it).

Total cost: roughly $1040.
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Get the 3570k for $100 cheaper. This is an unlocked processor which enables over clocking. Once over clocked, it will match the 3770 in terms of performance. You will then need to get a Z77 motherboard.
e.g. Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H LGA1155 Sandy / Ivy Bridge Intel board). You will save around $10 with this solution, however the suggested motherboard has additional features (sata ports etc.) The ASRock version (Extreme 4) is also another good choice.

Considering your on a budget however, the Core i5 3470 would be a cheaper choice (at $150 cheaper than the 3770). If you were to go with this CPU, the motherboard you suggested would be ideal.

Depending on the games you play, the 660 is an ideal choice. You can always get the Radeon 7850 for $40 cheaper. In regards to which brands, any brand will suffice. I recommend the cheapest available.

An SSD would be ideal esp. for Adobe, Windows and maybe some games depending on the size. Prices have been cheaper than ever before, and will only continue to plummet. Just don't play the waiting game. You can get the SSD later down the track however considering your budget.

Don't forget you have to factor in the cost of Windows, as well as any peripherals (monitor, mouse keyboard, speakers etc.)

 
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The i5 3570k is $260 compared to the $400 for the 3770, however if it is viable to make this sort of downgrade would it be worth considering the FX 8350 ($285) due to it's 8 cores and its high overclocked speed (source: http://cpuboss.com/cpu/AMD-FX-8350)

Would this work better with the AMD HD7850 or does combining same branded CPUs and GPUs make no difference?
I can get the HD7850 OC for $285,
the HD 7870 OC for $355
and the GTX 660 OC for $305.
In what areas will buying the cheapest of these cards limit me in terms of video editing/rendering and gaming? In other words, how practical would it be to spend the extra money?

The cheapest Z77 motherboard I could find was the Asus P8H77-M - $115
http://ectservices.co.nz/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29893

This would therefore mean the i5 3570k + Z77 motherboard would be $375
compared to:
i7 3770 + Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H LGA 1155 which would be $500

(I am unsure which motherboard would be the cheapest for the FX 8350)


If I made this downgrade to either the i5 3570k or the FX 8350 would I be able to render a video in After Effects whilst working in another program such as Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator or just browse the internet and use small programs like Microsoft Word?
It terms of future technologies would factors (such the lack of the i7's hyperthreading) limit how I use the computer in the next few years?

I already own a mouse/keyboard/monitor/speakers and can easily get hold of Windows 7.
 
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Sorry for the late response.

Branding the same CPUs with the same GPUs is an urban myth (don't worry about that). In regards to choosing the correct GPU, get either the 7850 or the 660. They are pretty much on par whether it be gaming or rendering. The 7870's performance does not justify the price, and over clocking the 7850 or 660 will result in performance levelling or even surpassing the 7870. I'd say get the cheapest.

The 3570K will be more than sufficient for your needs. Overclocking the 3570k will result in performance on par with the more expensive 3770. What you have to consider however, is an aftermarket cooler. I recommend the Hyper 212 EVO.
In regards to whether the 8350 is better than the 3570k, look here:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=701
It seems they are pretty much on par. However, the 3570k will surpass after a decent overclock (4.5ghz is not that hard).

The motherboard you suggested is an H77 mobo, not the Z77. The cheapest Z77 i found on the suggested website is around $180. There are many options available, and will equate to $65 more. It will still be a lot cheaper than the 3770 though, and the motherboard will have many more features compared to the B75.

Don't worry about the future, as there will always be something better. Just buy now, think later.
 
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At the moment I am considering this build.

CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K - $312.23
GPU: Power Color HD7850 2GB - $280.00
Mobo: Asus P8Z77-V LX Intel Z77 ATX - $182.85
RAM: Corsair 8GB DDR3 1600MHz CL9 - $90.00
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 64MB - $88.80
PSU: 650W Aywun A1-650-Elite Series - $68.47
Case: Easteck ATX 429 - $35.00
CPU Cooling: Hyper 212 EVO - $49.15

TOTAL: $1115.50

If I were to swap my CPU for the i7 3770 ($408.25) without the CPU cooling the total cost would be $1152.37.
If I were to swap my CPU for the i7 3770k ($451.50) without the CPU cooling the total cost would be $1195.37.

(Minus the cost of not needing to buy as an expensive motherboard.)

The case I have chosen is one of the cheapest the website offers:
http://ectservices.co.nz/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29837

Will this provide enough air flow to cool my computer while overclocked? Am I going to need to purchase any other cooling components or a better case to ensure my computer does not overheat? (Does living in a country where temperatures can easily reach 30C (85F) during the summer make any difference?)

Would this cost therefore mean that buying either the 3770 or the 3770k would be better value for money?
 
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Wait - what are you going to use the GPU for? Rendering?

And no, do not get that case. In that case (no pun intended), the 3770 would be ideal, as oveclocking would require a more expensive motherboard, and an aftermarket cooler. Considering the hot climate you live in, yes, the 3770 with no overclocking seems like a smart buy.

So if you were to get the 3770, B75 MOBO instead of the Z77, and forget the Hyper 212, that would equate to roughly $1000.
I would then recommend the Antec One instead of the Eastek. It is only $40 more and I can personally say that it is good (I have it).

Total cost: roughly $1040.
 
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