How Would I obtain a steady 144FPS Minimum

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Im curious what videocard's Should be used To maximize Cost efficiency. I want to run Tera Online with a minimum 144FPS to use with this monitor (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313).

Graphics Being set to the Max on Tera (With the exception of Anti-Aliasing being set to 2x or 4x) at 1080p

How many Cards would I need to Crossfire, and what cards should I use? I Would like to use ATI/AMD Since I plan to Mine Bitcoins with them as well. I have 4, 16x Pci-e Slots on my motherboard (They're running at 16x bandwith)

Im looking to keep costs low however, if at all possible. However im also Looking for the cost of this.
 
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Crossfire two 7970 Ghz, or two regular 7970 and overclock them yourself. Adding any more cards will offer greatly diminished returns.

Regular card costs about $410 each and the overclocked one about $440.

Still, minimum framerate of 144 is very very hard to achieve. Average framerate of 120 is more realistic. You won't be able to see any difference.

 
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Watson doesn't do graphics... Now if you mean to play for him, Watson could win for him, but he would also know better than to care about 144FPS ( granted he'd look at the raw simulation stream anyway and be inside the matrix :) )

 
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Dunno if it helps, but you can use mine GTX570 for reference - maxed 1080p and the FPS drops to 30 in heavily populated cities /and large fights with many various effects/. Doesn't go lower, so I guess the engine compensates the heavy load somehow. The usual FPS I get are over 60...

Looking at the GC chart - the average 120 fps should be easily doable with the duo/trio 7970 or GTX 680, but I am not sure how I'd go for a minimum of 144 /4 7970/titans?, ARES II?/...
 
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Ok I was specifically asking, what hardware would be required. Not if I need 144fps, or why its not necessary.

A few of you responded with suggestions, on what might work. However The point was I want to take full advantage of the monitor im using.
I can Overclock my cpu up to a stable 5.6ghz (quadcore amd), I haven't tried to get it higher but I probably could with better cooling. So im not worried about that being a limiting factor.

But can someone tell me roughly how powerful, using 1,2,3,4 7970's actually is? (Im refering to benchmark scores) I want to know how well they crossfire. I assume Using 2 would be the equivalent of having 1.8 but i don't know enough about crossfire yet.
 
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One of the nice advantages of the 144hz monitor is you could do Adaptive v-sync (half refresh rate). This gives you a steady 72 fps/hz. That is quite possible in many games. Another benefit to the 144hz monitor is you have more refreshes rates that divide into 144hz, so when you have v-sync on, and your FPS can't keep up, the delay is not as big as a slower monitor. 36 FPS, 48 FPS, 72 FPS are evenly divided into 144hz, as apposed to 30 fps and 60 fps for a 60hz monitor, or 30, 40 and 60 for a 120hz monitor. This makes v-sync less disruptive to the smoothness of the action.

I would seriously see how adaptive v-sync (half refresh rate) feels. I find 80 FPS to be the point where I stop noticing much improvement on my 120hz monitor. 72 FPS with zero fluctuation might even feel better.
 
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jasonmbrown i have 3 of those monitors and was able to use nvidia surround 2d and play just fine and not notice anything out of the ordinary at 144hz on a single gtx 670. If you want to blow through lots of money i suppose you could push up to that but if you really want power go up to the titan and start running those as that will give you the power you need :). I am running one of those now just fine with nvidia surround in 3d with most games set at high. Though i suppose thats not really cost efficient like you originally asked. And I don't have a clue on bitcoin stuff but I think you will loose more with crossfire or sli and stuttering garbage than you would gain by trying to push up to 144fps
 
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how many FPS are you getting though Airm3n?

Also Can someone Tell me what these FPS Scores are based off? http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_radeon_hd_7970_crossfire_review,12.html
(those Benchmarks Seem Just a little lower then what I was going for though, However thats with just 2 7970's Crossfired, Im trying to find a benchmark that has 3 or 4)

Is that the Peak, Average, or Lowest FPS?
Also keep in mind I have no Intention of using AntiAliasing Or at least not have it above 2x (Currently My video card is failing hard, So i thought If im going to upgrade then Im going to upgrade Well) I don't want to have to buy a new video card in the next 2 years.
 
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I don't even know what FPS i'm getting all i know is that I can game more than comfortably on my system. I think the only one i ever gave a test to was the newest tomb raider game and i'm getting around 40-50fps in that benchmark but even when i had my 670 it was around 30 and to be honest i never noticed anything different between it and the titan aside from the fact i am able to crank up details to max(minus the hair detail crap which just makes the head a blur for me). From what i've been seeing in reviews they have realized that the lag between multiple cards sometimes makes the game worse than having lower fps. I chose the titan being that its a single gpu and while yes the price was atrocious I thought i'd spoil myself a bit this time around. That and the fact i don't need to wait for sli profiles or hope that crossfire might someday work right. I will run the unigine valley benchmark for you and give you results if you would like as that is the only benchmark program i have on my computer at the moment.
(Aside from the tomb raider game one)
 
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Those benchmarks show what you average FPS would be, but likely not multiplayer FPS. You may also find that most benchmarks will show AMD scores higher relative to what you'd get with Nvidia with no AA. Nvidia cards don't do high AA levels as well as AMD, but if you don't use high levels of AA, you can expect a little more favorable scores.

Anyways, do you plan to use Crossfire down the road? If so, you may want to hold off on going AMD after reading this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-card-benchmarking-frame-rate,3466.html
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-Dissected-Full-Details-Capture-based-Graphics-Performance-Testin?page=4#comments

You also have to realize that with a single card, unless it's a dual-GPU card, you will play with lowered settings if you want high FPS. Which isn't so bad these days, as cards are getting really powerful, and the difference between high and very high settings is often hard to tell.
 
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FPS: 63.6 Score:2661 Min FPS: 25.0Max FPS:127.0 is what unigine shows me at 1920x1080. I lost access to my image account but i could figure it out if you really want the proof. Thats on extreme hd with 8xaa. I'm not sure if unigine works right on my computer because when i ran the test its showing me my base i7 speed and only 4gb memory on my titan. I suppose i could probably gain some more if i were to o/c my i7 920 from around 3.5 and go higher but i'm too lazy and i haven't found any games that need it to be honest.

If a game runs smooth why bother messing with it. I do agree with bystander about the settings though as telling the difference between the highest and the next lowest is a lot of times futile. All i can say is that i really love the monitors you chose as i'm running 3 of them and they work great on my system at most any setting. Even if the fps was dropping down to the 20s (which i'm not sure they even are) I haven't had one hiccup and everything is running flawless. Btw i am running almost the identical system to you bystander :).
 
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You want to take full advantage of your monitor. You don't need to have a minimum 144fps to take full advantage of your monitor. Because that target is very hard to achieve even for experienced rig builders and hardcore gamers, who spent loads of money to make killer rigs. Heck, even those kind of people don't have a minimum 144fps target.

To make matters worse, the game Tera Online is a multiplayer game that is probably not written well enough to make the most out your graphic muscle. This kind of online game is also very CPU reliant, and your fps could be limited by how well your CPU can perform. Why would you even want 144fps in an MMO? It's not some e-sport like Counter-Strike where you can lose a round to the slightest lag. I even heard there is a frame cap in the game, and that means you might NEVER get to see 144fps in Tera.

So I repeat; You don't need to have a minimum 144fps to take full advantage of your monitor. Gaming at an average 120fps is already a luxury and you won't be able to tell beyond 120fps if you are human at all. If you want a good future-proofing target then it would be more realistic to ask for good frame rates on a super massive TV for you to bask in graphics glory.
 
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