HTPC for 1080p Streaming and Gaming

John Brady

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Budget
Possible to stay $500 or below? If not, that is okay

Goal
To centralize my media streaming to one device and play games. I want the smallest footprint possible

Current setup
Living Room
Panasonic 65 VT50
AVR
PS3 (games, netflix, amazon prime)
Xbox 360 (games, netflix, amazon prime)
AppleTV 2 (airplay)
Router
Synology ds213air w/ 2x 3gb WD Red raid 1

Bedroom
Pioneer Kuro 500m
AVR
Roku 2 XS

Requirements
Generic
1. Quiet as possible
2. Cool as possible

Steaming
1. 1080p streaming of mkv files on nas
2. Runs plex/xbmc
Soft Requirement 3. 1080p streaming of netflix and amazon prime - can utilize TV/ps3/xbox for this if necessary
Soft Requirement 4. Accessible via internet - I can utilize the synology plex/videostation apps to do this

Gaming
1. Run latest games (Bioshock infinite) in 1080p
2. Future proof for 1-2 years?

Question(s)
1. Is there a dual hdmi solution to split the streaming feed to the bedroom? Or is it best to use the roku+plex?
2. What OS is best for this?
3. Is it possible to reduce quality when streaming to ipad/iphone to reduce bandwidth?
4. Is a mini-atx case possible since I only want 1 HD?

I already have 1 TB WD Green hard drive.. is this fast enough for games?
 

ryanhmusic

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First: Cool project. HTPCs are fun.

But 500$ to game at maxsettings @ 1080p for the next 2 years is gonna be tough...

1tb WDD Green is definitely fine but if you have a NAS why not throw a small boot ssd into the HTPC to keep it cool/quiet and use the NAS for all that other stuff like storing movies and games? (as long as load time on games isn't too big of an issue)...

Also could you switch to RAID 5 on the synology? You'd see a vast performance increase...

I'd throw an i3 in for CPU as they seem to run pretty cool and do well in HTPC builds...but it isn't great for gaming, it's a lower powered CPU. i5 3570k for gaming in my opinion...

Thoughts:

Intel i5 3570k (~230$)
Gigabyte UD5h (~200$)
NVidia 650 (~120$)
Samsung 840 120g SSD (~100$)
BluRay Drive LG (~50$)
400W Corsair PSU ($50)

That build would be roughly $750 though...but it would play games pretty well and would be easily upgradable for a long time...

EDIT: I can be stupid...that doesn't include a HTPC case...but I really don't know much of those. Personally I don't actually use an HTPC. I run a big server (6x2tb in RAID) with 4Gb/s link aggregation to run ATV 3s (with gigabit lan) throughout the house for serving up any media...

The server is programmed to auto rip and tag any inserted optical disks (blurays or dvds) and import them into itunes for the ATVs to see.

Pretty simple set up that does a great job simply serving media. As for gaming, if you've got a PS3 & XBox there, isn't that good enough for the TV gaming?

I don't game so maybe I don't understand, just curious.
 

John Brady

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My nas is only 2 bays so can't do raid 5.. however I am 99% sure I am going to swap it for a 4bay so raid 5 will be an option or raid 1+0.

I do not need a bluray drive (will use the ps3 for that)s, that would save me $50. I think I will start with with the 1tb WDD Green drive and move to a SSD eventually when prices come down. However, noise is a concern for me. If this thing is going to be much louder than my ps3/xbox, then I might second guess myself and stick to ps3 gaming. It can be loud during gaming though :)

My thinking is I will only get a ps4 or xbox 720, so this build would be htcp/steam box for media streaming and pc gaming. Right now, a huge concern for me is (from what I can tell) the lack of netflix and amazon prime support on htpc setups. I really need to have 1080p and 5.1 sound streaming from netflix and amazon and that does not seem to be a option with HTPC...
 

ryanhmusic

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Gotcha

Suggestion though - what if instead of swapping to a 4 bay NAS, you build a simple server for all your needs...? Should be roughly equal in price but much more versatile / customizable for your needs.

Yeah totally drop the bluray drive if you don't need it. I wouldn't run a HDD as the boot disk for your HTPC if you're also running a NAS since it'll be slower, louder, and hotter than just running a cheap SSD (i know they're not that cheap but they're definitely worth the money)...

If noise is a big concern, Noctua heatsyncs and case fans on their lowest settings should do wonders to keep the heat lower and the noise down. (I think noctua quotes 15dB which is about the noise of a running DVD player.)

From what I know, Netflix and Amazon only support 1080p streaming through certain cable providers/set-top boxes with wider support arriving in the coming months.

If I were re-doing the media setup at my house all over again, I'd do it slightly differently from what I have now and slightly differently from what you're talking about.

I'd create a centralized server with 6-10 terabytes of RAID (for the slight fault tolerance) plus a single 4tb drive as backup of the important family stuff. In the server I'd have a bluray reader and I'd setup the software to automatically rip and tag anything inserted into the drive.

Then I'd chose my central media server program. For me, I'd do itunes again just because everyone in my house uses iphones/ipads and ATVs are relatively cheap (although rather singularly focused).

I'd deploy an ATV3 to every room with a TV and run a "media" 450 5GHz "N" router for the TVs/ATVs and a separate router for all other home devices. That would require a server with 2 or more ethernet jacks (so you don't have to do fancy network trickery stuff).

Then I'd use my consoles for console gaming on the TV and forgo PC gaming on the TV all together.

But again, I don't understand the desire to PC game on the TV since I don't game...so maybe this entire suggestion is useless to you...

But again if it were me, ATVs for media consumption (ripped everything) & netflix, consoles for gaming, server programmed to rip and distribute all media.
 

John Brady

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I've thought about the central server for nas and htpc but I decided to separate them for scalability in the future, data integrity, etc. Also, I like the synology ui and software so I would like to keep the nas separate to utilize the synology features.

Anyways, I don't think ATV can natively play MKV files so I would have to convert them or have my NAS/Server transcode them

This is good.. I want to be second guessed :)
 

ryanhmusic

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Cool! Great to talk to someone who likes to toss ideas around instead of just wanting to be told they're right.

Totally hear you on the Synology stuff - never gotten much of a chance to play around with them but from what I've heard they're pretty great.

You're right about the ATV not being able to play MKV...boooooo apple...but if you're interested in the ATV route, I can walk you through my software setup.

Since MKV is just a container, I have Subler transcoding the Audio and stuffing it into the .m4v container. Takes maybe ~10 minutes on a 2 hour bluray rip and you end up with file tagged and transcoded for itunes/atv.

Plus if you run a separate wireless network (or if you could go wired that's better) for your atvs, you could have 3 or 4 streaming full bluray quality .m4v's without any stuttering or buffering.