Same Issue with Gtx 660 ti Msi & Asus squealing micro-stutter sync drop etc Help !

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Hello guys.
First of all my english isn't very good so i'll try my best to make this understandable.

Spec :
cpu : I5 3570k @ stock 3.4 (turbo on)
ram : 2x4 Gb Crucial ddr3 1.6Ghz 128-bits (9-9-9-24 5-37-12-6)
Motherboard : MSI B75MA-P45 (Ms-7798) (i know it was a stupid choice with this rig but w/e it's done i'll upgrade later to a Z77 chipset for oc)
[strike]Old Gpu[/strike] : Msi Gtx 660 ti Power edition
New Gpu : Asus gtx 660 ti oc
Hdd : Seagate ST31000524AS 1To Sata600 3.5 7200rpm
Psu : Cooler master Gx 650w
Case:Cooler master Centurion 5 II
OS: Win7 Ultimate 64 bit sp1
Screen :Samsung Syncmaster 60hz 22.5 On Vga to Dvi-i adaptor


I bought this rig 2 month ago and i have still same issue with 2 different Gpu.
I have shop warranty so i bring it to the shop the first time (i had same problem as listed below + i got 2 time complete freeze one with motherboard sound meaning ram or hdd error i can't remember =/) they said they had changed the mortherboard ( but i really doubt about that even if i didn't got complete freeze since) and the second time they changed the gpu.

There are my issues :
1 : Issue With Vsync only I have fps drop to "odd" number like 57 47 28 etc.. and slowly recovery to 59.x and whenever i'm on 59.x (because i never reached 60.x unless i put "pretended maximal frame" set to 1 in nvidia driver and it's not even steady) i have micro stuttering when i'm looking particular area or doing particular action i'm not even sure it's micro stutter but there is a exemple of frametime i have at 59.x without The pretended frame set to 1

Frame/Time(ms) (Fraps)
1 / 0.0
2 / 7.1
3 /32.7
4 /39.6
5 /66.0
Etc...
so that mean i have one frame rendering in 7.x ms (refresh rate of more than 100fps)
and the next one in 25.x ms (refresh rate of ~40fps)
[7ms +25ms =32ms /2 =16ms (60fps frametime)]
making game looking really choppy i can fix in part the frametime with the pretended frame set to 1 ; rendering in 16.x ms(59-60fps) in every frame even if i have no idea why.
but i still have same fps drop making all game choppy with vsync even low requirement one have same issue.

2: Issue with or without vsync Frametime seems fine without Vsync until i have to play and load something at the same time and as today's games works u load many time while playing i'm not saying i have trouble on every little load but i have issue on everygame not always the same issue but always one at least so i'll take for exemple bioshock infinite everytime u go in elevator and push the button u'll load the area u are looking by the window ,dialog etc there i have huge drop from 100 or 5x with vsync to 25-45 with the same frametime bug as earlier those 45 or less look like 20 fps really choppy(my hdd loading very noisy while that depending on which elevator).
i have other bug like nothing in the bottom's field of view in skyrim.
huge drop in borderlands 2's in-game menu and some fight.
random hdd loading while playing in most game resulting in fps drop and micro stutter
and many other trouble for each game i play.
so in few word i can't run a single game smooth.

3 : I can heard My hdd working like 80% of the time and these fps drop in all game seems to be related to my hdd's loading more noisy than usual.
before i bring my comp back to the shop for the second time my hdd was making the whole case shake with a metallic noise when loading hard now he's still very noisy ( and i notice a squealing sound for few sec rarely when it don't make too much other noise) but no more case shaking.
i think it's related to hdd too or maybe ram but sometimes i have no reaction on windows i mean i want to drag some thing or right click and the reaction happen with a sec delay sometimes it's more like 2-3sec so this look like i still can have a complete freeze everytime it happen.

4 : Both Gpu i had same issue listed above with both Msi and Asus gtx 660 ti + was doing more or less 5 different squealing sound while doing different thing i can reproduce all these sounds while doing the windows benchmark i know it's a common problem of high end gpu to have squealing sometimes but having a squealing sound on every capacitor and on 2 different card seems really strange.

So why not simply bring it again to the shop because every time i have to bring my comp here it cost me 15€ of fuel and they take 1 week each time to "repair" it so i already made 4 time the path and i still have the same shit.

That's why i need help to point out what is going wrong and explain them cause it seems i have no other choice because i don't need to go again and get back my comp with still the same issue it was enought annoying the last 2 times especially cause they are very apathetic and acting like they don't care.

I know it's a big post and i tried to make it the more understandable possible and not too boring to read even if it look like a bit to a drama:pfff:.

Thanks you in advance for your help.


Ps: When i got it back from the Shop for the second time, i found F1 2012 already mounted in daemon and still installed (game i never had before that) with these setting : windowed mode 800*600 probably for some test, checking the performance of a high end Comp with f1 2012 in 800x600 .....:pt1cable:.
 
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i don't need any iso mounted ,i tried to say they use f1 2012 in low reso to bench computer and i noticed it when i saw the iso used in daemon tools and the game still installed so i could check the setting they were using to bench and it was ridiculous :D (800*600 windowed not even all quality setting maxed)
i edited my post i hope it's easier to understand what i tried to say
and sorry for my crap english
 
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Ok, first thing.. you need to check your hardware before you RMA it...

Check your HDD for errors. HDD regenerator will do.

Next... Check your memory with memtest for at least 8 hours.

Next... Run Furmark burn in test to see if your video card is working like it should be (it may be ok, but if fails test it may also be PSU problem)

Do that first...
 
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First of all thanks for your reply
ok so i'll run HDD regenerator & Memtest86+ this night and tell you what i got as soon as possible and about Furmark i already did 3 time 15min 1920x1080 burn test before i post here never had a fail but maybe it's not enough? :??:.



 
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i just launched Hdd Regenerator and in the s.m.a.r.t info i got Imminent Fail as Status and other red marker.
http://i.imgur.com/ahp4Pbn.jpg
i think i'll save some data before running memtest86 and Hdd regenerator

 
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it's ok for my data i'll run memtest86+ now
then you think this strange frametime desync and these squealing sound from both gpu i had can be related to my hdd ?
thanks for your help:)
ps : i didn't try to repair bad sector with hdd regenerator
 
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The squealing sound is almost certainly a interaction from the power supply and the cards power regulation circuit.

This should not be an actual issue, just an annoying side effect of coils(they vibrate) when high speed switching is happening(some users have reported placing a 2200uf cap on the 12 volt lines leading to the pci-e connector cures or greatly reduces it, but I will not recommend it(it will not do harm, just not sure how well it work. It may just add to a cap/coil/cap filter reducing ripple on the lines) until I get a chance to try it. Currently all my cards are quiet.).

Now a hard drive making all kinds of noise when you lag makes LOTS of sense as at this time, the game says "Hey hard drive, its time for more data" then hard drive says "................................................................data". That long pause would mean the video card has to actually WAIT for the data it wants.

Now this may also happen when windows wants to transfer data to and from the page file(same reason).

So you DID find a bad sector?

The high ECC recovered may or may not be an issue, because seagate drive seem to report lots of things they do(simply put its amazing that modern drives work, they are correcting errors all the time).

My 111 hour old drive is certainly NOT failing. It has had multiple FULL scans. That program also tells me all my drives are on the same IDE channel. Its in AHCI(SATA) mode :)
hddregenerator.png


Now if you have a bad sector its, you have a bad drive for sure.

The biggest problem is that honestly, some games simply stutter when loading things(audio being one thing). They had LOTS of reported issues for that when bioshock 1 came out.

You would be surprised how much some games rely on streaming data while in play. Always ensure your hard drive is defragged as it may help as well.

If you had an SSD, it would be a good thing to check out if it was effected(simply put your system rarely ever waits on one of those.)

One thing you may wish to do is try something like 3D marks and run the same test 2 times. On the second run, it should be cached in system memory(or lots should be). So if it runs better on the second time, you have got something slowing down the loading of data(bad hard drive would be the first option, but it can take some testing to see HOW you will get past it. Some stuttering is to be expected unfortunately on any game that does not preload everything.).

About Deamon Tools. It is perfectly legal to backup your own disks to avoid needing to use it all the time :) I did that to play Bioshock II(anyone want to see the game box as proof I have the collectors edition because it was on clearance :) ) I even have a system with no optical drive so this kind of tool is nice to have

Now if the OP said, yarrrr my pirated copy of <insert game here> was in Deamon tools....well yeah, that would be bad.
 
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First of all thanks for your reply.

When i'm talking about these stutter etc i'm not refering to any game's issue because a friend of me bought almost the same rig (not same motherboard and case everything else were identical except the fact i have an asus gtx 660 ti now and he still have the msi) and he don't have any issue on same setting and same game exepted for the game related issue like ambiante occlusion in Bioshock Infinite for exemple.

Ok so i did the memtest86 test : 12pass 0 errors.

And 3dMark 11 in performance preset 2 time in a row showing almost same score a bit lower in the second bench 8436 and 8413.

I still don't know if i have bad sector but i'll check as soon as i'll know if there is a point to test in AHCI mode because hdd regenerator advice to change to Ide mode in BIOS for more performance during the check(btw i have no idea if can change mode or not and if it's safe).

Thanks in advance for you help.

Ps : about Daemon tools i'm not talking about any of MY ISO i just tried to explain i had it after i took back my comp the second time.
THEY ( the technician where i bought my rig) were using f1 2012 in daemon
i have no idea why even if i suppose it was for some kind of test.

 
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Thanks for the link but there is many setting when i try to test i have no idea what to do.
http://i.imgur.com/1KJrY7O.jpg
i'll try verify first :D
ps : can i do other thing while testing cause it look really long not like gaming but listen streaming radio or soft thing like this
 
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It would be best to leave it before going to sleep. Don't use your PC while scanning since this is your primary HDD.

First click on SMART... see if there is everything green.

Then click TASKS and select SURFACE TEST, next klick ADD TEST and it will start.

I don't know how long will it take, but one night should be enough for scanning.
 
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Also make sure to run verify and butterfly tests...

When you doubleclick executing test it will give you new window in which you'll have report option after is finished and map option to see which sectors are hard to read.
 
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I use HDtune for drive tests. They have an older one free and a paid(newer) HDtune Pro(With 30 day trial).

http://www.hdtune.com/

I am glad you did not swap to IDE as it may result in blue screen errors on boot.

I was more worried about a miss-report on the drive due to the way Seagate reports smart attributes(WDC does not report until bad things start to happen[but it has never been an issue], while Seagate seems to report every little thing).
 
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ok there is the result for butterfly test
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http://i.imgur.com/ze0sxzr.jpg
so i have to do a verifying test again? i think i'll do it this night while sleeping because it's really long (about 9hours)

i'm not having the problem i was supposed to have on these test ?
Whatever i'm sure these micro-stutter i have are related to my hdd
because while looking a bit to the verifying test and listening to my hdd i noticed the noisy sound i heard when i stutter etc are related to those Green, Red , Orange and even dark grey "Lba Block Start".

i'm glad to have your help because i'm feeling like it's far from over

Thanks.
 
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Hi,

You have too many high latency sectors. You may wan't to start HD tune to check it as nukemaster said. It can work with AHCI.
From my experience HDD regenerator is ultimate program. You would need to connect your HDD to someone elses PC to perform it if you don't wan't to make changes in windows in order to set your HDD in IDE mode.
HDD regenerator works on old demagnetizing protocol to resurect bad sectors. And i have had lot of dead drives whom HDD regenerator resurected in couple runs. I did not had success with other programs including HDD tune.

Nevertheless, your HDD should be under warranty, and i would suggest RMA it. When you buy new HDD you expect it to be perfect, right? :)
 
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If I get a bad drive. I will give your software recommendation a shot for sure.

Only HD tune PRO shows latency of a test either way.

EDIT, you peaked my interest. I am going to run that read test on some of my systems. How log you think it will take(1-2tb drives).
 
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Hi
and there is Hd Tune result :
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http://imgur.com/oyl2uYC


Then i should rma it or they will do the same thing?(like using hdd regenerator or something like that)

And you think the Frametime issue (1 in my original post) was related to my hdd or maybe i have something else going wrong :??:

Thanks.

 
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The general HD tune benchmark looks about normal for a drive of that size(assuming its not one of the new 1TB/platter models)

The worst part is we need to show without any doubt that the hard drive is slowing you down.

Since you do not have another drive handy to try, it makes it even more of a pain.

To try to reduce hard drive use as MUCH as you can, how do you feel about temporarily disabling your page file(just one less read/write operation. you should be fine as long as you are not pushing very high memory use).

Also ensure that you are running the latest drivers from Intel for your motherboards chipset(since it is the hard drive controller.).
 
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