Same Issue with Gtx 660 ti Msi & Asus squealing micro-stutter sync drop etc Help !
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Posestnd
April 2, 2013 9:07:36 PM
Hello guys.
First of all my english isn't very good so i'll try my best to make this understandable.
Spec :
cpu : I5 3570k @ stock 3.4 (turbo on)
ram : 2x4 Gb Crucial ddr3 1.6Ghz 128-bits (9-9-9-24 5-37-12-6)
Motherboard : MSI B75MA-P45 (Ms-7798) (i know it was a stupid choice with this rig but w/e it's done i'll upgrade later to a Z77 chipset for oc)
Old Gpu : Msi Gtx 660 ti Power edition
New Gpu : Asus gtx 660 ti oc
Hdd : Seagate ST31000524AS 1To Sata600 3.5 7200rpm
Psu : Cooler master Gx 650w
Case:Cooler master Centurion 5 II
OS: Win7 Ultimate 64 bit sp1
Screen :Samsung Syncmaster 60hz 22.5 On Vga to Dvi-i adaptor
I bought this rig 2 month ago and i have still same issue with 2 different Gpu.
I have shop warranty so i bring it to the shop the first time (i had same problem as listed below + i got 2 time complete freeze one with motherboard sound meaning ram or hdd error i can't remember =/) they said they had changed the mortherboard ( but i really doubt about that even if i didn't got complete freeze since) and the second time they changed the gpu.
There are my issues :
1 : Issue With Vsync only I have fps drop to "odd" number like 57 47 28 etc.. and slowly recovery to 59.x and whenever i'm on 59.x (because i never reached 60.x unless i put "pretended maximal frame" set to 1 in nvidia driver and it's not even steady) i have micro stuttering when i'm looking particular area or doing particular action i'm not even sure it's micro stutter but there is a exemple of frametime i have at 59.x without The pretended frame set to 1
Frame/Time(ms) (Fraps)
1 / 0.0
2 / 7.1
3 /32.7
4 /39.6
5 /66.0
Etc...
so that mean i have one frame rendering in 7.x ms (refresh rate of more than 100fps)
and the next one in 25.x ms (refresh rate of ~40fps)
[7ms +25ms =32ms /2 =16ms (60fps frametime)]
making game looking really choppy i can fix in part the frametime with the pretended frame set to 1 ; rendering in 16.x ms(59-60fps) in every frame even if i have no idea why.
but i still have same fps drop making all game choppy with vsync even low requirement one have same issue.
2: Issue with or without vsync Frametime seems fine without Vsync until i have to play and load something at the same time and as today's games works u load many time while playing i'm not saying i have trouble on every little load but i have issue on everygame not always the same issue but always one at least so i'll take for exemple bioshock infinite everytime u go in elevator and push the button u'll load the area u are looking by the window ,dialog etc there i have huge drop from 100 or 5x with vsync to 25-45 with the same frametime bug as earlier those 45 or less look like 20 fps really choppy(my hdd loading very noisy while that depending on which elevator).
i have other bug like nothing in the bottom's field of view in skyrim.
huge drop in borderlands 2's in-game menu and some fight.
random hdd loading while playing in most game resulting in fps drop and micro stutter
and many other trouble for each game i play.
so in few word i can't run a single game smooth.
3 : I can heard My hdd working like 80% of the time and these fps drop in all game seems to be related to my hdd's loading more noisy than usual.
before i bring my comp back to the shop for the second time my hdd was making the whole case shake with a metallic noise when loading hard now he's still very noisy ( and i notice a squealing sound for few sec rarely when it don't make too much other noise) but no more case shaking.
i think it's related to hdd too or maybe ram but sometimes i have no reaction on windows i mean i want to drag some thing or right click and the reaction happen with a sec delay sometimes it's more like 2-3sec so this look like i still can have a complete freeze everytime it happen.
4 : Both Gpu i had same issue listed above with both Msi and Asus gtx 660 ti + was doing more or less 5 different squealing sound while doing different thing i can reproduce all these sounds while doing the windows benchmark i know it's a common problem of high end gpu to have squealing sometimes but having a squealing sound on every capacitor and on 2 different card seems really strange.
So why not simply bring it again to the shop because every time i have to bring my comp here it cost me 15€ of fuel and they take 1 week each time to "repair" it so i already made 4 time the path and i still have the same shit.
That's why i need help to point out what is going wrong and explain them cause it seems i have no other choice because i don't need to go again and get back my comp with still the same issue it was enought annoying the last 2 times especially cause they are very apathetic and acting like they don't care.
I know it's a big post and i tried to make it the more understandable possible and not too boring to read even if it look like a bit to a drama
.
Thanks you in advance for your help.
Ps: When i got it back from the Shop for the second time, i found F1 2012 already mounted in daemon and still installed (game i never had before that) with these setting : windowed mode 800*600 probably for some test, checking the performance of a high end Comp with f1 2012 in 800x600 .....
.
First of all my english isn't very good so i'll try my best to make this understandable.
Spec :
cpu : I5 3570k @ stock 3.4 (turbo on)
ram : 2x4 Gb Crucial ddr3 1.6Ghz 128-bits (9-9-9-24 5-37-12-6)
Motherboard : MSI B75MA-P45 (Ms-7798) (i know it was a stupid choice with this rig but w/e it's done i'll upgrade later to a Z77 chipset for oc)
Old Gpu : Msi Gtx 660 ti Power edition
New Gpu : Asus gtx 660 ti oc
Hdd : Seagate ST31000524AS 1To Sata600 3.5 7200rpm
Psu : Cooler master Gx 650w
Case:Cooler master Centurion 5 II
OS: Win7 Ultimate 64 bit sp1
Screen :Samsung Syncmaster 60hz 22.5 On Vga to Dvi-i adaptor
I bought this rig 2 month ago and i have still same issue with 2 different Gpu.
I have shop warranty so i bring it to the shop the first time (i had same problem as listed below + i got 2 time complete freeze one with motherboard sound meaning ram or hdd error i can't remember =/) they said they had changed the mortherboard ( but i really doubt about that even if i didn't got complete freeze since) and the second time they changed the gpu.
There are my issues :
1 : Issue With Vsync only I have fps drop to "odd" number like 57 47 28 etc.. and slowly recovery to 59.x and whenever i'm on 59.x (because i never reached 60.x unless i put "pretended maximal frame" set to 1 in nvidia driver and it's not even steady) i have micro stuttering when i'm looking particular area or doing particular action i'm not even sure it's micro stutter but there is a exemple of frametime i have at 59.x without The pretended frame set to 1
Frame/Time(ms) (Fraps)
1 / 0.0
2 / 7.1
3 /32.7
4 /39.6
5 /66.0
Etc...
so that mean i have one frame rendering in 7.x ms (refresh rate of more than 100fps)
and the next one in 25.x ms (refresh rate of ~40fps)
[7ms +25ms =32ms /2 =16ms (60fps frametime)]
making game looking really choppy i can fix in part the frametime with the pretended frame set to 1 ; rendering in 16.x ms(59-60fps) in every frame even if i have no idea why.
but i still have same fps drop making all game choppy with vsync even low requirement one have same issue.
2: Issue with or without vsync Frametime seems fine without Vsync until i have to play and load something at the same time and as today's games works u load many time while playing i'm not saying i have trouble on every little load but i have issue on everygame not always the same issue but always one at least so i'll take for exemple bioshock infinite everytime u go in elevator and push the button u'll load the area u are looking by the window ,dialog etc there i have huge drop from 100 or 5x with vsync to 25-45 with the same frametime bug as earlier those 45 or less look like 20 fps really choppy(my hdd loading very noisy while that depending on which elevator).
i have other bug like nothing in the bottom's field of view in skyrim.
huge drop in borderlands 2's in-game menu and some fight.
random hdd loading while playing in most game resulting in fps drop and micro stutter
and many other trouble for each game i play.
so in few word i can't run a single game smooth.
3 : I can heard My hdd working like 80% of the time and these fps drop in all game seems to be related to my hdd's loading more noisy than usual.
before i bring my comp back to the shop for the second time my hdd was making the whole case shake with a metallic noise when loading hard now he's still very noisy ( and i notice a squealing sound for few sec rarely when it don't make too much other noise) but no more case shaking.
i think it's related to hdd too or maybe ram but sometimes i have no reaction on windows i mean i want to drag some thing or right click and the reaction happen with a sec delay sometimes it's more like 2-3sec so this look like i still can have a complete freeze everytime it happen.
4 : Both Gpu i had same issue listed above with both Msi and Asus gtx 660 ti + was doing more or less 5 different squealing sound while doing different thing i can reproduce all these sounds while doing the windows benchmark i know it's a common problem of high end gpu to have squealing sometimes but having a squealing sound on every capacitor and on 2 different card seems really strange.
So why not simply bring it again to the shop because every time i have to bring my comp here it cost me 15€ of fuel and they take 1 week each time to "repair" it so i already made 4 time the path and i still have the same shit.
That's why i need help to point out what is going wrong and explain them cause it seems i have no other choice because i don't need to go again and get back my comp with still the same issue it was enought annoying the last 2 times especially cause they are very apathetic and acting like they don't care.
I know it's a big post and i tried to make it the more understandable possible and not too boring to read even if it look like a bit to a drama
.Thanks you in advance for your help.
Ps: When i got it back from the Shop for the second time, i found F1 2012 already mounted in daemon and still installed (game i never had before that) with these setting : windowed mode 800*600 probably for some test, checking the performance of a high end Comp with f1 2012 in 800x600 .....
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jdw_swb
April 2, 2013 9:23:32 PM
Posestnd
April 2, 2013 10:00:56 PM
jdw_swb said:
Why would you need to have the game ISO mounted on Daemon?i don't need any iso mounted ,i tried to say they use f1 2012 in low reso to bench computer and i noticed it when i saw the iso used in daemon tools and the game still installed so i could check the setting they were using to bench and it was ridiculous
(800*600 windowed not even all quality setting maxed)i edited my post i hope it's easier to understand what i tried to say
and sorry for my crap english
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Feldmarschall
April 3, 2013 3:14:57 PM
Ok, first thing.. you need to check your hardware before you RMA it...
Check your HDD for errors. HDD regenerator will do.
Next... Check your memory with memtest for at least 8 hours.
Next... Run Furmark burn in test to see if your video card is working like it should be (it may be ok, but if fails test it may also be PSU problem)
Do that first...
Check your HDD for errors. HDD regenerator will do.
Next... Check your memory with memtest for at least 8 hours.
Next... Run Furmark burn in test to see if your video card is working like it should be (it may be ok, but if fails test it may also be PSU problem)
Do that first...
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Posestnd
April 3, 2013 5:17:56 PM
Feldmarschall said:
Ok, first thing.. you need to check your hardware before you RMA it...Check your HDD for errors. HDD regenerator will do.
Next... Check your memory with memtest for at least 8 hours.
Next... Run Furmark burn in test to see if your video card is working like it should be (it may be ok, but if fails test it may also be PSU problem)
Do that first...
First of all thanks for your reply
ok so i'll run HDD regenerator & Memtest86+ this night and tell you what i got as soon as possible and about Furmark i already did 3 time 15min 1920x1080 burn test before i post here never had a fail but maybe it's not enough?
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Feldmarschall
April 3, 2013 5:58:06 PM
Posestnd
April 3, 2013 6:12:50 PM
Feldmarschall said:
Ok, run hdd and memory tests tonight. it is possible that there is everything ok with gpu's.post back when you get results.
cheers
i just launched Hdd Regenerator and in the s.m.a.r.t info i got Imminent Fail as Status and other red marker.
http://i.imgur.com/ahp4Pbn.jpg
i think i'll save some data before running memtest86 and Hdd regenerator
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Feldmarschall
April 3, 2013 6:33:44 PM
Posestnd
April 3, 2013 7:44:43 PM
The squealing sound is almost certainly a interaction from the power supply and the cards power regulation circuit.
This should not be an actual issue, just an annoying side effect of coils(they vibrate) when high speed switching is happening(some users have reported placing a 2200uf cap on the 12 volt lines leading to the pci-e connector cures or greatly reduces it, but I will not recommend it(it will not do harm, just not sure how well it work. It may just add to a cap/coil/cap filter reducing ripple on the lines) until I get a chance to try it. Currently all my cards are quiet.).
Now a hard drive making all kinds of noise when you lag makes LOTS of sense as at this time, the game says "Hey hard drive, its time for more data" then hard drive says "................................................................data". That long pause would mean the video card has to actually WAIT for the data it wants.
Now this may also happen when windows wants to transfer data to and from the page file(same reason).
So you DID find a bad sector?
The high ECC recovered may or may not be an issue, because seagate drive seem to report lots of things they do(simply put its amazing that modern drives work, they are correcting errors all the time).
My 111 hour old drive is certainly NOT failing. It has had multiple FULL scans. That program also tells me all my drives are on the same IDE channel. Its in AHCI(SATA) mode
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Now if you have a bad sector its, you have a bad drive for sure.
The biggest problem is that honestly, some games simply stutter when loading things(audio being one thing). They had LOTS of reported issues for that when bioshock 1 came out.
You would be surprised how much some games rely on streaming data while in play. Always ensure your hard drive is defragged as it may help as well.
If you had an SSD, it would be a good thing to check out if it was effected(simply put your system rarely ever waits on one of those.)
One thing you may wish to do is try something like 3D marks and run the same test 2 times. On the second run, it should be cached in system memory(or lots should be). So if it runs better on the second time, you have got something slowing down the loading of data(bad hard drive would be the first option, but it can take some testing to see HOW you will get past it. Some stuttering is to be expected unfortunately on any game that does not preload everything.).
About Deamon Tools. It is perfectly legal to backup your own disks to avoid needing to use it all the time
I did that to play Bioshock II(anyone want to see the game box as proof I have the collectors edition because it was on clearance
) I even have a system with no optical drive so this kind of tool is nice to have
Now if the OP said, yarrrr my pirated copy of <insert game here> was in Deamon tools....well yeah, that would be bad.
This should not be an actual issue, just an annoying side effect of coils(they vibrate) when high speed switching is happening(some users have reported placing a 2200uf cap on the 12 volt lines leading to the pci-e connector cures or greatly reduces it, but I will not recommend it(it will not do harm, just not sure how well it work. It may just add to a cap/coil/cap filter reducing ripple on the lines) until I get a chance to try it. Currently all my cards are quiet.).
Now a hard drive making all kinds of noise when you lag makes LOTS of sense as at this time, the game says "Hey hard drive, its time for more data" then hard drive says "................................................................data". That long pause would mean the video card has to actually WAIT for the data it wants.
Now this may also happen when windows wants to transfer data to and from the page file(same reason).
So you DID find a bad sector?
The high ECC recovered may or may not be an issue, because seagate drive seem to report lots of things they do(simply put its amazing that modern drives work, they are correcting errors all the time).
My 111 hour old drive is certainly NOT failing. It has had multiple FULL scans. That program also tells me all my drives are on the same IDE channel. Its in AHCI(SATA) mode

Now if you have a bad sector its, you have a bad drive for sure.
The biggest problem is that honestly, some games simply stutter when loading things(audio being one thing). They had LOTS of reported issues for that when bioshock 1 came out.
You would be surprised how much some games rely on streaming data while in play. Always ensure your hard drive is defragged as it may help as well.
If you had an SSD, it would be a good thing to check out if it was effected(simply put your system rarely ever waits on one of those.)
One thing you may wish to do is try something like 3D marks and run the same test 2 times. On the second run, it should be cached in system memory(or lots should be). So if it runs better on the second time, you have got something slowing down the loading of data(bad hard drive would be the first option, but it can take some testing to see HOW you will get past it. Some stuttering is to be expected unfortunately on any game that does not preload everything.).
About Deamon Tools. It is perfectly legal to backup your own disks to avoid needing to use it all the time
I did that to play Bioshock II(anyone want to see the game box as proof I have the collectors edition because it was on clearance
) I even have a system with no optical drive so this kind of tool is nice to haveNow if the OP said, yarrrr my pirated copy of <insert game here> was in Deamon tools....well yeah, that would be bad.
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Posestnd
April 4, 2013 10:44:58 AM
First of all thanks for your reply.
When i'm talking about these stutter etc i'm not refering to any game's issue because a friend of me bought almost the same rig (not same motherboard and case everything else were identical except the fact i have an asus gtx 660 ti now and he still have the msi) and he don't have any issue on same setting and same game exepted for the game related issue like ambiante occlusion in Bioshock Infinite for exemple.
Ok so i did the memtest86 test : 12pass 0 errors.
And 3dMark 11 in performance preset 2 time in a row showing almost same score a bit lower in the second bench 8436 and 8413.
I still don't know if i have bad sector but i'll check as soon as i'll know if there is a point to test in AHCI mode because hdd regenerator advice to change to Ide mode in BIOS for more performance during the check(btw i have no idea if can change mode or not and if it's safe).
Thanks in advance for you help.
Ps : about Daemon tools i'm not talking about any of MY ISO i just tried to explain i had it after i took back my comp the second time.
THEY ( the technician where i bought my rig) were using f1 2012 in daemon
i have no idea why even if i suppose it was for some kind of test.
When i'm talking about these stutter etc i'm not refering to any game's issue because a friend of me bought almost the same rig (not same motherboard and case everything else were identical except the fact i have an asus gtx 660 ti now and he still have the msi) and he don't have any issue on same setting and same game exepted for the game related issue like ambiante occlusion in Bioshock Infinite for exemple.
Ok so i did the memtest86 test : 12pass 0 errors.
And 3dMark 11 in performance preset 2 time in a row showing almost same score a bit lower in the second bench 8436 and 8413.
I still don't know if i have bad sector but i'll check as soon as i'll know if there is a point to test in AHCI mode because hdd regenerator advice to change to Ide mode in BIOS for more performance during the check(btw i have no idea if can change mode or not and if it's safe).
Thanks in advance for you help.
Ps : about Daemon tools i'm not talking about any of MY ISO i just tried to explain i had it after i took back my comp the second time.
THEY ( the technician where i bought my rig) were using f1 2012 in daemon
i have no idea why even if i suppose it was for some kind of test.
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Feldmarschall
April 4, 2013 11:01:06 AM
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Posestnd
April 4, 2013 11:19:41 AM
Feldmarschall said:
http://hddguru.com/software/2006.01.22-HDDScan/this one is compatible with AHCI mode.
Thanks for the link but there is many setting when i try to test i have no idea what to do.
http://i.imgur.com/1KJrY7O.jpg
i'll try verify first
ps : can i do other thing while testing cause it look really long not like gaming but listen streaming radio or soft thing like this
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Feldmarschall
April 4, 2013 11:35:57 AM
It would be best to leave it before going to sleep. Don't use your PC while scanning since this is your primary HDD.
First click on SMART... see if there is everything green.
Then click TASKS and select SURFACE TEST, next klick ADD TEST and it will start.
I don't know how long will it take, but one night should be enough for scanning.
First click on SMART... see if there is everything green.
Then click TASKS and select SURFACE TEST, next klick ADD TEST and it will start.
I don't know how long will it take, but one night should be enough for scanning.
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Feldmarschall
April 4, 2013 11:40:21 AM
I use HDtune for drive tests. They have an older one free and a paid(newer) HDtune Pro(With 30 day trial).
http://www.hdtune.com/
I am glad you did not swap to IDE as it may result in blue screen errors on boot.
I was more worried about a miss-report on the drive due to the way Seagate reports smart attributes(WDC does not report until bad things start to happen[but it has never been an issue], while Seagate seems to report every little thing).
http://www.hdtune.com/
I am glad you did not swap to IDE as it may result in blue screen errors on boot.
I was more worried about a miss-report on the drive due to the way Seagate reports smart attributes(WDC does not report until bad things start to happen[but it has never been an issue], while Seagate seems to report every little thing).
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Posestnd
April 4, 2013 3:58:45 PM
ok so there is the result for the verifying test :
http://i.imgur.com/VGEcjzF.jpg
i'll do the Butterfly Read test now.
thank for the time you devote to help me
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ps : i can use HDtune too if needed ,no problem.
http://i.imgur.com/VGEcjzF.jpg
i'll do the Butterfly Read test now.
thank for the time you devote to help me
.ps : i can use HDtune too if needed ,no problem.
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Feldmarschall
April 4, 2013 11:19:01 PM
Posestnd
April 5, 2013 10:06:30 AM
ok there is the result for butterfly test
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http://i.imgur.com/ze0sxzr.jpg
so i have to do a verifying test again? i think i'll do it this night while sleeping because it's really long (about 9hours)
i'm not having the problem i was supposed to have on these test ?
Whatever i'm sure these micro-stutter i have are related to my hdd
because while looking a bit to the verifying test and listening to my hdd i noticed the noisy sound i heard when i stutter etc are related to those Green, Red , Orange and even dark grey "Lba Block Start".
i'm glad to have your help because i'm feeling like it's far from over
Thanks.

http://i.imgur.com/ze0sxzr.jpg
so i have to do a verifying test again? i think i'll do it this night while sleeping because it's really long (about 9hours)
i'm not having the problem i was supposed to have on these test ?
Whatever i'm sure these micro-stutter i have are related to my hdd
because while looking a bit to the verifying test and listening to my hdd i noticed the noisy sound i heard when i stutter etc are related to those Green, Red , Orange and even dark grey "Lba Block Start".
i'm glad to have your help because i'm feeling like it's far from over
Thanks.
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Feldmarschall
April 5, 2013 10:18:16 AM
Hi,
You have too many high latency sectors. You may wan't to start HD tune to check it as nukemaster said. It can work with AHCI.
From my experience HDD regenerator is ultimate program. You would need to connect your HDD to someone elses PC to perform it if you don't wan't to make changes in windows in order to set your HDD in IDE mode.
HDD regenerator works on old demagnetizing protocol to resurect bad sectors. And i have had lot of dead drives whom HDD regenerator resurected in couple runs. I did not had success with other programs including HDD tune.
Nevertheless, your HDD should be under warranty, and i would suggest RMA it. When you buy new HDD you expect it to be perfect, right?
You have too many high latency sectors. You may wan't to start HD tune to check it as nukemaster said. It can work with AHCI.
From my experience HDD regenerator is ultimate program. You would need to connect your HDD to someone elses PC to perform it if you don't wan't to make changes in windows in order to set your HDD in IDE mode.
HDD regenerator works on old demagnetizing protocol to resurect bad sectors. And i have had lot of dead drives whom HDD regenerator resurected in couple runs. I did not had success with other programs including HDD tune.
Nevertheless, your HDD should be under warranty, and i would suggest RMA it. When you buy new HDD you expect it to be perfect, right?
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Feldmarschall said:
Hi,You have too many high latency sectors. You may wan't to start HD tune to check it as nukemaster said. It can work with AHCI.
From my experience HDD regenerator is ultimate program. You would need to connect your HDD to someone elses PC to perform it if you don't wan't to make changes in windows in order to set your HDD in IDE mode.
HDD regenerator works on old demagnetizing protocol to resurect bad sectors. And i have had lot of dead drives whom HDD regenerator resurected in couple runs. I did not had success with other programs including HDD tune.
Nevertheless, your HDD should be under warranty, and i would suggest RMA it. When you buy new HDD you expect it to be perfect, right?
If I get a bad drive. I will give your software recommendation a shot for sure.
Only HD tune PRO shows latency of a test either way.
EDIT, you peaked my interest. I am going to run that read test on some of my systems. How log you think it will take(1-2tb drives).
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Posestnd
April 5, 2013 12:43:44 PM
Hi
and there is Hd Tune result :
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http://imgur.com/oyl2uYC
Then i should rma it or they will do the same thing?(like using hdd regenerator or something like that)
And you think the Frametime issue (1 in my original post) was related to my hdd or maybe i have something else going wrong
Thanks.
and there is Hd Tune result :

http://imgur.com/oyl2uYC
Then i should rma it or they will do the same thing?(like using hdd regenerator or something like that)
And you think the Frametime issue (1 in my original post) was related to my hdd or maybe i have something else going wrong
Thanks.
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The general HD tune benchmark looks about normal for a drive of that size(assuming its not one of the new 1TB/platter models)
The worst part is we need to show without any doubt that the hard drive is slowing you down.
Since you do not have another drive handy to try, it makes it even more of a pain.
To try to reduce hard drive use as MUCH as you can, how do you feel about temporarily disabling your page file(just one less read/write operation. you should be fine as long as you are not pushing very high memory use).
Also ensure that you are running the latest drivers from Intel for your motherboards chipset(since it is the hard drive controller.).
The worst part is we need to show without any doubt that the hard drive is slowing you down.
Since you do not have another drive handy to try, it makes it even more of a pain.
To try to reduce hard drive use as MUCH as you can, how do you feel about temporarily disabling your page file(just one less read/write operation. you should be fine as long as you are not pushing very high memory use).
Also ensure that you are running the latest drivers from Intel for your motherboards chipset(since it is the hard drive controller.).
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Feldmarschall
April 5, 2013 12:57:31 PM
Basically same thing with several results and two programs. You should RMA it as far as i'm concerned. I have runned my seagate drive 320 GB with HD tune now and my curve is much more stable. No drops at all. Normal constant fall. Max read 117, min 56.6, Burst 173, Access time 17.3ms and I'm in IDE mode with my drive
. Check error scan through night with HD tune. No need for hdd regenerator.
Do you have spare SATA cable? It would be good to replace it just to be sure that cable is not messed up (long shot).
. Check error scan through night with HD tune. No need for hdd regenerator. Do you have spare SATA cable? It would be good to replace it just to be sure that cable is not messed up (long shot).
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All the new Seagate drives seem more bumpy, not sure why(tons or background error correction?).
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WDC 2tb black. I have a new seagate 1tb/platter bench kicking around as well
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Also, Have you checked in on your system temps, just in case something else is causing this?
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Feldmarschall, your butterfly test takes FOREVER. is it a full on random test?

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WDC 2tb black. I have a new seagate 1tb/platter bench kicking around as well

Also, Have you checked in on your system temps, just in case something else is causing this?
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Feldmarschall, your butterfly test takes FOREVER. is it a full on random test?
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April 5, 2013 1:11:14 PM
Feldmarschall
April 5, 2013 1:18:19 PM
Posestnd
April 5, 2013 3:41:27 PM
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how do you feel about temporarily disabling your page file(just one less read/write operation. you should be fine as long as you are not pushing very high memory use).i'm not sure i understand but if i guess well it's a temporary solution
where i should disable a windows service pagefile.sys ?Quote:
Do you have spare SATA cable? It would be good to replace it just to be sure that cable is not messed up (long shot).well i don't have any technical knowledge expect really basic like putting ram stick and checking fan noise
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Also, Have you checked in on your system temps, just in case something else is causing this?Hwmonitor : http://imgur.com/tDlWcgd
Gpu temp on Furmark burn test 1920*1080 : 73-74° with fan on 50-60%.
Cpu temp on Occt Power Supply : 74° all core excepted one at 80
while gaming cpu is around 65-68° for the highest core and gpu i don't know but it's quiet ( my cpu is a bit too high ?)
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Also ensure that you are running the latest drivers from Intel for your motherboards chipset(since it is the hard drive controller.).i hadn't the last one but the friend i talked about earlier with the same rig than me , installed the last driver only 1 week ago and as i said he never had similar issue.
but i'll install it now ( i had it before i make a new windows install).
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How about trying to run some other, full setup benchmark? Like passmark or simillar. You may underperform in some of tests and this may point direction. You have brand new components so you can easily compare all your hardware results to other.ok i'll try this and post the result in few min
Ps : sorry it take me ages to answer but making my english understandable use 80% of that time .
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April 5, 2013 4:58:28 PM
There is the result for passmark :
http://imgur.com/lsTNrYj,PNDmvAg,6LUwkBM#0
everything look good excepted Disk these result are with the last drivers
i'll run Hd tune errors check this night
ps: the squealing sound is really loud in some passmark's graphic test
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HD tune with new driver look like worse :
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http://imgur.com/lsTNrYj,PNDmvAg,6LUwkBM#0
everything look good excepted Disk these result are with the last drivers
i'll run Hd tune errors check this night
ps: the squealing sound is really loud in some passmark's graphic test
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HD tune with new driver look like worse :

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IF you wanted to try to switch off the page file, It would be just a matter of hitting the Advanced System Settings(just search that name in start search) then select Settings under Performance. Next select Advanced on Performance Options window. From this page you can select No paging file and then hit set and restart the system.
With no page file, the system will not be able to swap out memory to the hard drive, but you should have enough ram to leave it like this for a while.
Your average seems about right on HD tune, but you also may be in IDE mode. this can hurt performance to some extent.
We will have to deal with one thing at a time here.
I have to go with Feldmarschall's experience here, because I have NEVER used some of the programs he has listed here. I am simply running them as a comparison to one of the drives I have(problem being that my testing drive is a 5400 rpm notebook drive. so slower.). All the hard drives I still use are 5900 rpm and slower(damn addictive SSDs).
My HDD scan for Windows version 3.1 looks FAR worse then yours to be honest(but my drive is slower). I only did 10% of the drive, but my latency block thing shows MUCH more 50+ms access.
With no page file, the system will not be able to swap out memory to the hard drive, but you should have enough ram to leave it like this for a while.
Your average seems about right on HD tune, but you also may be in IDE mode. this can hurt performance to some extent.
We will have to deal with one thing at a time here.
I have to go with Feldmarschall's experience here, because I have NEVER used some of the programs he has listed here. I am simply running them as a comparison to one of the drives I have(problem being that my testing drive is a 5400 rpm notebook drive. so slower.). All the hard drives I still use are 5900 rpm and slower(damn addictive SSDs).
My HDD scan for Windows version 3.1 looks FAR worse then yours to be honest(but my drive is slower). I only did 10% of the drive, but my latency block thing shows MUCH more 50+ms access.
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April 5, 2013 6:58:15 PM
thanks for your help , i found the page file but i still didn't understand what's the point , i mean this can't solve my hdd issue isn't
in the best case i can play a while without micro-stutter etc?
i don't know if it's a proof:
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Because i'm not sure i understood right
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Your average seems about right on HD tune, but you also may be in IDE mode. this can hurt performance to some extent.i don't know if it's a proof:

Because i'm not sure i understood right
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Wwll, it may be, it was just strange to see it called ATA then the name vs just the drives name.
Maybe it is something with the newer drivers.
The page file thing was to try to reduce the systems use of the drive.
I find it strange to think that a drive that works normal in Windows would be THAT bad in games. Most times a failing hard drive will report lots of errors.
I am now running all the same tests on an older WDC 1TB blue 7200 rpm drive from another system. I just want to see how it holds up in comparison.
Feldmarschall, I think I will be learning from you
I have 1 drive that seemed to be somewhat slow at times, so depending on how this goes, I may see what these tests show for it. If it has lots of slow, maybe I will try the HDD regenerator(I know the drive has no "bad sectors that seatools/hdtune can see")
Maybe it is something with the newer drivers.
The page file thing was to try to reduce the systems use of the drive.
I find it strange to think that a drive that works normal in Windows would be THAT bad in games. Most times a failing hard drive will report lots of errors.
I am now running all the same tests on an older WDC 1TB blue 7200 rpm drive from another system. I just want to see how it holds up in comparison.
Feldmarschall, I think I will be learning from you
I have 1 drive that seemed to be somewhat slow at times, so depending on how this goes, I may see what these tests show for it. If it has lots of slow, maybe I will try the HDD regenerator(I know the drive has no "bad sectors that seatools/hdtune can see")
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Feldmarschall
April 5, 2013 11:48:03 PM
Hi,
All we have done with test this past few days is Disk read, how about write? Your write section is definetely underperfroming. I got 90.9 on mine seagate, you 44.7 and your overall score in passmark is 553 while they evaluate your disk at 725. http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd.php?hdd=Seagate+S...
My passmark score for Hitachi underperformed by 12 and seagate overperformed (maybe because it's secondary drive).
But even poor Hitachi had better write results than your drive.
All we have done with test this past few days is Disk read, how about write? Your write section is definetely underperfroming. I got 90.9 on mine seagate, you 44.7 and your overall score in passmark is 553 while they evaluate your disk at 725. http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd.php?hdd=Seagate+S...
My passmark score for Hitachi underperformed by 12 and seagate overperformed (maybe because it's secondary drive).
But even poor Hitachi had better write results than your drive.
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My current tests. Your reads for the VR-TEST do looked like something is nor right. I will try to scan a seagate drive since they seem to have less consistency then WDC.
Is your drives write caching on? It is also important to know that when Windows is using the drive you may get strange spikes, but hose seem a bit extreme. I always test on another system.
Is your drives write caching on? It is also important to know that when Windows is using the drive you may get strange spikes, but hose seem a bit extreme. I always test on another system.
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Posestnd
April 6, 2013 10:49:19 AM
Hello guys and thanks for your help
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First the result for Error Check with hd tune:
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and there is a Complete bench with Hd tune not sequential like other :
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And a sequential one :
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and just to remember us my vr-test:
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Honestly i think my reading isn't like it should be and even more for the writing
What you advise me to do now?
Edit : yes it's ON should i turn it off?
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.First the result for Error Check with hd tune:

and there is a Complete bench with Hd tune not sequential like other :

And a sequential one :

and just to remember us my vr-test:

Honestly i think my reading isn't like it should be and even more for the writing
What you advise me to do now?
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Is your drives write caching on?Edit : yes it's ON should i turn it off?

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8 hours into my butterfly read test and just pushing 25% Sure hope it speeds up as the jumps get closer.
I again am running tests to give you two something to compare to.
Your VR-test looks just wrong, but if your butterfly is bad, well then my Western Digital Blue(3.5 inch 7200rpm) is WAY worse(on average). It does not have many that are past 150ms but i have WAY more 50ms.
EDIT, and your write caching is fine.
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14 hours of butterfly testing(35%). Damn this drive is slow(or de-tuned to make the Black drives look even better.).
I again am running tests to give you two something to compare to.
Your VR-test looks just wrong, but if your butterfly is bad, well then my Western Digital Blue(3.5 inch 7200rpm) is WAY worse(on average). It does not have many that are past 150ms but i have WAY more 50ms.
EDIT, and your write caching is fine.
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14 hours of butterfly testing(35%). Damn this drive is slow(or de-tuned to make the Black drives look even better.).
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Posestnd
April 7, 2013 12:51:55 PM
Feldmarschall
April 7, 2013 1:09:09 PM
i have never used these performance tests to determine a hdd malfunction. Get seatools and run a full hdd scan. Get memtest86+ and run a full memory test. A squeeling noise and extreme vibration coming from the hard drive should be a no brainer to get it out of there and put another one in. I would suggest never going with seagate, have never seen reliability from their drives, and i worked as a system builder for 4 years, so i have seen large volumes of HDD's come and go. Of course its also often a problem that happens in transport when the guy delivering the box of drives drops them. plus on the shipment from the manufacturer they are thrown about on pallets, its no wonder we get faulty drives.
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April 7, 2013 2:09:47 PM
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Get seatools and run a full hdd scan. Get memtest86+ and run a full memory test. I already did a memtest+86 12pass 0 error , i have no doubt on the way you explain how they take care to hdd's especially in the shop where i bought mine
btw are you talking about this when u say full hdd scan with seatools :

i think i'll have to rma it in any cases but i still have time for more test.
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A squeeling noise and extreme vibration coming from the hard drive should be a no brainer to get it out of there and put another one in.Squelling from my hdd is really rare and not loud like my gpu but vibration are really easy to notice even with the windows performance test i think they really **** in this shop i won't buy anything else here but i still have 2 years warranty in their shop.
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Feldmarschall
April 7, 2013 2:14:27 PM
Posestnd
April 7, 2013 2:24:33 PM
Feldmarschall
April 7, 2013 4:36:03 PM
It is. Again these are for comparison I got a st31000528as that HAD given me some strange behavior(it would actually skip playing back video in Media Center[but a quick rewind would confirm the video file it self was fine]. I never had issues with anything but that, but something has to be wrong. Maybe your new tests will show something because Seatools and HD tune always showed clean. I had just shoved it on a shelf for over a year) in the past on these tests now.
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tested. Much faster, but this drive does NOT work right(only noticed issues in media center so was guessing the random tests would catch it).
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tested. Much faster, but this drive does NOT work right(only noticed issues in media center so was guessing the random tests would catch it).
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April 9, 2013 10:12:24 AM
Hi guys i used the seagate tools and then did a Verify test with Hdd Scan and i'm kinda disapointed :
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and i did it a second time seagate tool fix and then test again :
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now i'm kinda lost can i fix the hdd myself?
i know it's still not good but i don't get how i got better result all i did is seagate tools long fix and disable avast for these test.
btw i was about to rma it , i was just doing some test until i send it.
EDIT this is the result i had before using seagate tools ;
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and i did it a second time seagate tool fix and then test again :

now i'm kinda lost can i fix the hdd myself?
i know it's still not good but i don't get how i got better result all i did is seagate tools long fix and disable avast for these test.
btw i was about to rma it , i was just doing some test until i send it.
EDIT this is the result i had before using seagate tools ;


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April 9, 2013 10:15:47 AM
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April 9, 2013 10:32:49 AM
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