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April 3, 2013 11:10:14 AM

I get low frames per second in games that i probably shouldn't given what i have seen in videos of people playing the game with the same hardware i have, mainly Assassins creed 3, Crysis 3 and saints row 2.
All of the games i struggle to get 60 fps on minimum graphical quality on 1280x720.
Bios and video drivers are as up to date as they can be.
I am grateful for any advice you can offer

My system
OS: Windows 7 home premium 64 bit
Motherboard: Gigabyte M68MT-S2
GPU: XFX core Radeon HD 7850 2GB DDR3
CPU: AMD FX 4100
Hard drive: Seagate ST2000DM001-9yn164
RAM: PSD34G13332 4GB x2

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April 3, 2013 11:19:42 AM

I can't speak about the PC version of AC3, but Crysis 3 is ridiculously CPU/GPU intensive.

Do you have anti-aliasing off? If you haven't turned that off you might try it.

Just so you know...the high end CPUs out there paired with HD 7950 only get into the high 50s in terms of FPS on medium settings (with AA on) in Crysis 3...unless you OC...

Acceptable frame rates fall in the ~40-50 range, and you may need more GPU to run it better. It was designed to take full advantage of the HD 7970...so something to think about.

Also, your RAM is a tad on the slow side...but that won't make a big difference in performance...you'll only gain something like 3% better FPS by going to DDR3-1600
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April 3, 2013 11:27:24 AM

8350rocks said:
I can't speak about the PC version of AC3, but Crysis 3 is ridiculously CPU/GPU intensive.

Do you have anti-aliasing off? If you haven't turned that off you might try it.

Just so you know...the high end CPUs out there paired with HD 7950 only get into the high 50s in terms of FPS on medium settings (with AA on) in Crysis 3...unless you OC...

Acceptable frame rates fall in the ~40 range, and you may need more GPU to run it better. It was designed to take full advantage of the HD 7970...so something to think about.

Also, your RAM is a tad on the slow side...but that won't make a big difference in performance...you'll only gain something like 3% better FPS by going to DDR3-1600


I dont have anti-aliasing on, every thing except resolution is at minimum
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April 3, 2013 11:27:41 AM

8350rocks said:
I can't speak about the PC version of AC3, but Crysis 3 is ridiculously CPU/GPU intensive.

Do you have anti-aliasing off? If you haven't turned that off you might try it.

Just so you know...the high end CPUs out there paired with HD 7950 only get into the high 50s in terms of FPS on medium settings (with AA on) in Crysis 3...unless you OC...

Acceptable frame rates fall in the ~40 range, and you may need more GPU to run it better. It was designed to take full advantage of the HD 7970...so something to think about.

Also, your RAM is a tad on the slow side...but that won't make a big difference in performance...you'll only gain something like 3% better FPS by going to DDR3-1600


I dont have anti-aliasing on, every thing except resolution is at minimum
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April 3, 2013 11:32:12 AM

09williamsad said:
8350rocks said:
I can't speak about the PC version of AC3, but Crysis 3 is ridiculously CPU/GPU intensive.

Do you have anti-aliasing off? If you haven't turned that off you might try it.

Just so you know...the high end CPUs out there paired with HD 7950 only get into the high 50s in terms of FPS on medium settings (with AA on) in Crysis 3...unless you OC...

Acceptable frame rates fall in the ~40 range, and you may need more GPU to run it better. It was designed to take full advantage of the HD 7970...so something to think about.

Also, your RAM is a tad on the slow side...but that won't make a big difference in performance...you'll only gain something like 3% better FPS by going to DDR3-1600


I dont have anti-aliasing on, every thing except resolution is at minimum


You can upgrade CPU or GPU, I would recommend GPU... about $200-250 should get you a nice HD 7950 that will run those games much better.
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April 3, 2013 11:34:36 AM

8350rocks said:
09williamsad said:
8350rocks said:
I can't speak about the PC version of AC3, but Crysis 3 is ridiculously CPU/GPU intensive.

Do you have anti-aliasing off? If you haven't turned that off you might try it.

Just so you know...the high end CPUs out there paired with HD 7950 only get into the high 50s in terms of FPS on medium settings (with AA on) in Crysis 3...unless you OC...

Acceptable frame rates fall in the ~40 range, and you may need more GPU to run it better. It was designed to take full advantage of the HD 7970...so something to think about.

Also, your RAM is a tad on the slow side...but that won't make a big difference in performance...you'll only gain something like 3% better FPS by going to DDR3-1600


I dont have anti-aliasing on, every thing except resolution is at minimum


You can upgrade CPU or GPU, I would recommend GPU... about $200-250 should get you a nice HD 7950 that will run those games much better.


Is it really that better than the 7850?
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April 3, 2013 11:40:30 AM

09williamsad said:
8350rocks said:
09williamsad said:
8350rocks said:
I can't speak about the PC version of AC3, but Crysis 3 is ridiculously CPU/GPU intensive.

Do you have anti-aliasing off? If you haven't turned that off you might try it.

Just so you know...the high end CPUs out there paired with HD 7950 only get into the high 50s in terms of FPS on medium settings (with AA on) in Crysis 3...unless you OC...

Acceptable frame rates fall in the ~40 range, and you may need more GPU to run it better. It was designed to take full advantage of the HD 7970...so something to think about.

Also, your RAM is a tad on the slow side...but that won't make a big difference in performance...you'll only gain something like 3% better FPS by going to DDR3-1600


I dont have anti-aliasing on, every thing except resolution is at minimum


You can upgrade CPU or GPU, I would recommend GPU... about $200-250 should get you a nice HD 7950 that will run those games much better.


Is it really that better than the 7850?


If the HD 7950 can only get 50-60 FPS at medium settings, your 7850 won't get there on the same settings.

If frame rates and settings are super important to you, that's the better option.
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April 3, 2013 11:43:15 AM

It does seem like you should get better performance than you are running 720p at minimum quality settings. Are there any other tasks going on in the background? Do you have enough HDD space? No viruses or driver conflicts?
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April 3, 2013 11:46:08 AM

Make sure you have the latest AMD Catalyst drivers installed for your GPU.
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April 3, 2013 11:48:54 AM

Kindredsouls said:
Make sure you have the latest AMD Catalyst drivers installed for your GPU.


I have the latest beta drivers
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April 3, 2013 11:50:02 AM

Anchoku said:
It does seem like you should get better performance than you are running 720p at minimum quality settings. Are there any other tasks going on in the background? Do you have enough HDD space? No viruses or driver conflicts?


I have 1.12 TB of free space and I do not think that there are any conflicts
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April 3, 2013 11:57:08 AM

8350rocks said:
09williamsad said:
8350rocks said:
09williamsad said:
8350rocks said:
I can't speak about the PC version of AC3, but Crysis 3 is ridiculously CPU/GPU intensive.

Do you have anti-aliasing off? If you haven't turned that off you might try it.

Just so you know...the high end CPUs out there paired with HD 7950 only get into the high 50s in terms of FPS on medium settings (with AA on) in Crysis 3...unless you OC...

Acceptable frame rates fall in the ~40 range, and you may need more GPU to run it better. It was designed to take full advantage of the HD 7970...so something to think about.

Also, your RAM is a tad on the slow side...but that won't make a big difference in performance...you'll only gain something like 3% better FPS by going to DDR3-1600


I dont have anti-aliasing on, every thing except resolution is at minimum


You can upgrade CPU or GPU, I would recommend GPU... about $200-250 should get you a nice HD 7950 that will run those games much better.


Is it really that better than the 7850?


If the HD 7950 can only get 50-60 FPS at medium settings, your 7850 won't get there on the same settings.

If frame rates and settings are super important to you, that's the better option.


i do not have it on medium settings, i have it minimum
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April 3, 2013 12:01:40 PM

09williamsad said:

i do not have it on medium settings, i have it minimum


Exactly, if the HD 7950 runs it at similar frame rates on higher settings with AA on, you're not going to be able to get those frame rates on your current GPU at the same settings. So if you're seeing 50 FPS on low settings with no AA, then that falls inline with what I would expect, given the hardware limitations and the absolutely insane intensity of Crysis 3 on a PC in general.
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April 3, 2013 12:12:01 PM

8350rocks said:
09williamsad said:

i do not have it on medium settings, i have it minimum


Exactly, if the HD 7950 runs it at similar frame rates on higher settings with AA on, you're not going to be able to get those frame rates on your current GPU at the same settings. So if you're seeing 50 FPS on low settings with no AA, then that falls inline with what I would expect, given the hardware limitations and the absolutely insane intensity of Crysis 3 on a PC in general.


Thank you for your help but at this point upgrade is not an option for me so i will just have to endure 25fps.
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April 3, 2013 12:16:58 PM

ac3 on the 7950 barely runs on low. ac3 is TERRIBLE on AMD GPUs i had a 660 and ac3 ran better on it than the 7950. there is really nothing you can do about it sorry
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April 3, 2013 12:56:58 PM

thdarkshadow said:
ac3 on the 7950 barely runs on low. ac3 is TERRIBLE on AMD GPUs i had a 660 and ac3 ran better on it than the 7950. there is really nothing you can do about it sorry


Thank you i think i will get an NVidia card since this seems to be happening alot
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April 3, 2013 3:12:32 PM

09williamsad said:
thdarkshadow said:
ac3 on the 7950 barely runs on low. ac3 is TERRIBLE on AMD GPUs i had a 660 and ac3 ran better on it than the 7950. there is really nothing you can do about it sorry


Thank you i think i will get an NVidia card since this seems to be happening alot


Before you dump money on an equal class of card look at this...

http://www.hwcompare.com/13303/geforce-gtx-660-vs-radeo...

The GTX 660 is not actually an improvement over your 7850. Though if you went to a Tahiti based 7870, you would likely see a performance increase that would be worth looking into:

http://www.hwcompare.com/13302/geforce-gtx-660-vs-radeo...

See those results?

Look for a Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT or if you can find one reasonable a Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHz edition. Those 2 will be tahiti based, and will be a substantial improvement, almost as much as the HD 7950 would be...
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April 4, 2013 1:35:17 AM

Well after looking at the usage of CPU and GPU in crysis 3 my GPU barely goes over 50% while all four of my CPU cores are an minimum 95%.

So does know a good AMD3 or AMD3+ CPU for gaming?
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April 4, 2013 7:51:42 AM

09williamsad said:
Well after looking at the usage of CPU and GPU in crysis 3 my GPU barely goes over 50% while all four of my CPU cores are an minimum 95%.

So does know a good AMD3 or AMD3+ CPU for gaming?


FX8350...you will be super happy with it. It also does sound like based on your information that your CPU is a bottleneck at this point.
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April 4, 2013 8:29:04 AM

8350rocks said:
09williamsad said:
Well after looking at the usage of CPU and GPU in crysis 3 my GPU barely goes over 50% while all four of my CPU cores are an minimum 95%.

So does know a good AMD3 or AMD3+ CPU for gaming?


FX8350...you will be super happy with it. It also does sound like based on your information that your CPU is a bottleneck at this point.


I take it that is what you have?
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April 4, 2013 8:32:22 AM

That's a very well educated guess...how did you arrive at that conclusion? (haha)
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April 4, 2013 9:53:07 AM

8350rocks said:
That's a very well educated guess...how did you arrive at that conclusion? (haha)


and i also take it that it has served you well in both software and boot times?
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April 4, 2013 11:15:59 AM

extremely well...it's blazing fast...I upgraded from a 2.8 GHz Phenom II X4...and it was night and day...
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April 4, 2013 11:25:18 AM

what are your GPU temps and usage on idle?
and also do some benchmarks on softwares like 3dmark, etc.
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April 4, 2013 11:42:56 AM

8350rocks said:
extremely well...it's blazing fast...I upgraded from a 2.8 GHz Phenom II X4...and it was night and day...


I will probably be getting one then
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April 4, 2013 12:08:13 PM

09williamsad said:
8350rocks said:
extremely well...it's blazing fast...I upgraded from a 2.8 GHz Phenom II X4...and it was night and day...


I will probably be getting one then


What made you think he was going to say else? :lol: 
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April 4, 2013 12:11:13 PM

dheeraj9933 said:
what are your GPU temps and usage on idle?
and also do some benchmarks on softwares like 3dmark, etc.


Mousemonkey said:
09williamsad said:
8350rocks said:
extremely well...it's blazing fast...I upgraded from a 2.8 GHz Phenom II X4...and it was night and day...


I will probably be getting one then


What made you think he was going to say else? :lol: 


Just making sure
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April 4, 2013 12:13:59 PM

09williamsad said:
dheeraj9933 said:
what are your GPU temps and usage on idle?
and also do some benchmarks on softwares like 3dmark, etc.


Mousemonkey said:
09williamsad said:
8350rocks said:
extremely well...it's blazing fast...I upgraded from a 2.8 GHz Phenom II X4...and it was night and day...


I will probably be getting one then


What made you think he was going to say else? :lol: 


Just making sure


Sure of what? That he's going to live up to his user name?
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April 4, 2013 12:18:50 PM

I think u are making decesions too fast.
Stop for a sec.
with that config u SHOULD be getting better performance.
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April 4, 2013 12:36:49 PM

dheeraj9933 said:
I think u are making decesions too fast.
Stop for a sec.
with that config u SHOULD be getting better performance.


I thought that many times and after finding out that BIOS drivers exist started trying to make anything that i can update updated.
Maybe there is something i missed or maybe my motherboard has some crippling flaw but at this point in time i do not know.
Any suggestions would be welcome.
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April 4, 2013 12:53:50 PM

dheeraj9933 said:
what are your GPU temps and usage on idle?
and also do some benchmarks on softwares like 3dmark, etc.


26 degrees and here are the 3DMark benchmarks

3DMark Score P4976,
Graphics Score 5803
Physics Score3432
Combined Score3574
3DMark Score4976
3DMarks Graphics Score5803
Physics Score3432
Combined Score3574
Graphics Test 1 24.2 FPS
Graphics Test 2 27.7 FPS
Graphics Test 3 38.8 FPS
Graphics Test 4 18.1 FPS
Physics Test 10.9 FPS
Combined Test 16.6 FPS
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April 4, 2013 12:57:37 PM

Mousemonkey said:
09williamsad said:
dheeraj9933 said:
what are your GPU temps and usage on idle?
and also do some benchmarks on softwares like 3dmark, etc.


Mousemonkey said:
09williamsad said:
8350rocks said:
extremely well...it's blazing fast...I upgraded from a 2.8 GHz Phenom II X4...and it was night and day...


I will probably be getting one then


What made you think he was going to say else? :lol: 


Just making sure


Sure of what? That he's going to live up to his user name?


Opinions can change but some usernames do not
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April 4, 2013 1:00:41 PM

How long since u had this card?
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April 4, 2013 1:15:24 PM

dheeraj9933 said:
How long since u had this card?


1 to 3 months
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April 4, 2013 1:20:56 PM

Has it been performing bad since then or this happen recently?
have u tried playing old games?? like older assassins creed?
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April 4, 2013 1:21:53 PM

09williamsad said:
dheeraj9933 said:
How long since u had this card?


1 to 3 months


If your performance shows your CPU at ~100% and your GPU at ~50%...then it's pretty clear what's happening...you need more CPU, as you've got a bottleneck there. It doesn't surprise me that the HD 7850 could get a little better frame rate...though I must concede I would've expected the 4100 to perform a little better...but your diagnostic software is accurate. So, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be....a duck!
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April 4, 2013 1:23:58 PM

Yes 7850 should perform better, but i dont think 4100 is THAT bad!!
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April 4, 2013 1:26:15 PM

dheeraj9933 said:
Has it been performing bad since then or this happen recently?
have u tried playing old games?? like older assassins creed?


performance with AC3 has been the same since i got the card and old games seem to work fine
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April 4, 2013 1:28:05 PM

Have u tried new updates of AC3??
and AC3 isa bit cpu intensive too!!
and which games work fine? and what is the performance there?
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April 4, 2013 1:28:21 PM

8350rocks said:
09williamsad said:
dheeraj9933 said:
How long since u had this card?


1 to 3 months


If your performance shows your CPU at ~100% and your GPU at ~50%...then it's pretty clear what's happening...you need more CPU, as you've got a bottleneck there. It doesn't surprise me that the HD 7850 could get a little better frame rate...though I must concede I would've expected the 4100 to perform a little better...but your diagnostic software is accurate. So, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be....a duck!


the diagnostic software is HWINFO64 and OSDserver
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April 4, 2013 1:29:50 PM

09williamsad said:
8350rocks said:
09williamsad said:
dheeraj9933 said:
How long since u had this card?


1 to 3 months


If your performance shows your CPU at ~100% and your GPU at ~50%...then it's pretty clear what's happening...you need more CPU, as you've got a bottleneck there. It doesn't surprise me that the HD 7850 could get a little better frame rate...though I must concede I would've expected the 4100 to perform a little better...but your diagnostic software is accurate. So, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be....a duck!


the diagnostic software is HWINFO64 and OSDserver


I trust HWinfo64...that program is solid...
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April 4, 2013 1:33:10 PM

dheeraj9933 said:
Yes 7850 should perform better, but i dont think 4100 is THAT bad!!


I don't know that it's so much that the 4100 is that bad...as much as it's more that Crysis 3 makes alot of stronger processors than that one stand in a corner and cry. On the 8350 it will tap 6-7 cores...lol...if you don't have 6-7 cores, you just don't have 6-7 cores.

Crysis 3 runs like garbage on an i3 (and weaker i5's) as well unless you're using something like a HD 7970 or some other super high end card that gets bottlenecked by the weak CPU trying to make up the difference.
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April 4, 2013 1:36:52 PM

8350rocks said:
dheeraj9933 said:
Yes 7850 should perform better, but i dont think 4100 is THAT bad!!


I don't know that it's so much that the 4100 is that bad...as much as it's more that Crysis 3 makes alot of stronger processors than that one stand in a corner and cry. On the 8350 it will tap 6-7 cores...lol...if you don't have 6-7 cores, you just don't have 6-7 cores.

Crysis 3 runs like garbage on an i3 (and weaker i5's) as well unless you're using something like a HD 7970 or some other super high end card that gets bottlenecked by the weak CPU trying to make up the difference.


which is why i told him to test old games.
cuz even if 1 game is running as it should, the HARDWARE is fine.
do u think it could be a virus??
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April 4, 2013 1:39:13 PM

dheeraj9933 said:
8350rocks said:
dheeraj9933 said:
Yes 7850 should perform better, but i dont think 4100 is THAT bad!!


I don't know that it's so much that the 4100 is that bad...as much as it's more that Crysis 3 makes alot of stronger processors than that one stand in a corner and cry. On the 8350 it will tap 6-7 cores...lol...if you don't have 6-7 cores, you just don't have 6-7 cores.

Crysis 3 runs like garbage on an i3 (and weaker i5's) as well unless you're using something like a HD 7970 or some other super high end card that gets bottlenecked by the weak CPU trying to make up the difference.


which is why i told him to test old games.
cuz even if 1 game is running as it should, the HARDWARE is fine.
do u think it could be a virus??


Well, on older games his system blows away the minimum requirements on most of those...

I think his issue isn't that his hardware is faulty...it's just the CPU isn't enough horsepower to run Crysis 3. I had to upgrade to run the first version of Crysis years ago, because my system was good, but the game made my CPU/GPU cry like a little girl trying to run it.

If he had a virus, it would be a situation where not just a few things specifically would be effected, total system performance would be dragged down, and not only that, but there would be indicators pointing to that being an issue.
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April 4, 2013 1:41:29 PM

8350rocks said:
dheeraj9933 said:
Yes 7850 should perform better, but i dont think 4100 is THAT bad!!


I don't know that it's so much that the 4100 is that bad...as much as it's more that Crysis 3 makes alot of stronger processors than that one stand in a corner and cry. On the 8350 it will tap 6-7 cores...lol...if you don't have 6-7 cores, you just don't have 6-7 cores.

Crysis 3 runs like garbage on an i3 (and weaker i5's) as well unless you're using something like a HD 7970 or some other super high end card that gets bottlenecked by the weak CPU trying to make up the difference.


I get that crysis 3 is a cpu bottleneck as i found out using diagnostic software so right now i am more focused on finding out the cause of the bad performance in AC3, i know that an earlier post says AC3 struggles with AMD CPUs but according to a few videos and peoples experience in the game I should be getting over 26 fps when ever i look away from the ground at my feet.
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April 4, 2013 1:43:30 PM

dheeraj9933 said:
8350rocks said:
dheeraj9933 said:
Yes 7850 should perform better, but i dont think 4100 is THAT bad!!


I don't know that it's so much that the 4100 is that bad...as much as it's more that Crysis 3 makes alot of stronger processors than that one stand in a corner and cry. On the 8350 it will tap 6-7 cores...lol...if you don't have 6-7 cores, you just don't have 6-7 cores.

Crysis 3 runs like garbage on an i3 (and weaker i5's) as well unless you're using something like a HD 7970 or some other super high end card that gets bottlenecked by the weak CPU trying to make up the difference.


which is why i told him to test old games.
cuz even if 1 game is running as it should, the HARDWARE is fine.
do u think it could be a virus??


I have thoroughly scanned with AVG and the virus scanner that comes with 3DMark and no threats were found unless i was unlucky enough to be the victim of a new virus which could explain why my internet has been acting odd.
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April 4, 2013 1:44:21 PM

09williamsad said:
8350rocks said:
dheeraj9933 said:
Yes 7850 should perform better, but i dont think 4100 is THAT bad!!


I don't know that it's so much that the 4100 is that bad...as much as it's more that Crysis 3 makes alot of stronger processors than that one stand in a corner and cry. On the 8350 it will tap 6-7 cores...lol...if you don't have 6-7 cores, you just don't have 6-7 cores.

Crysis 3 runs like garbage on an i3 (and weaker i5's) as well unless you're using something like a HD 7970 or some other super high end card that gets bottlenecked by the weak CPU trying to make up the difference.


I get that crysis 3 is a cpu bottleneck as i found out using diagnostic software so right now i am more focused on finding out the cause of the bad performance in AC3, i know that an earlier post says AC3 struggles with AMD CPUs but according to a few videos and peoples experience in the game I should be getting over 26 fps when ever i look away from the ground at my feet.


I played AC3 on a console, so I cannot attest to how hard it stresses a system, but, have you run HWinfo64 to check your system performance on that game as well?
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April 4, 2013 1:44:38 PM

09williamsad said:
8350rocks said:
dheeraj9933 said:
Yes 7850 should perform better, but i dont think 4100 is THAT bad!!


I don't know that it's so much that the 4100 is that bad...as much as it's more that Crysis 3 makes alot of stronger processors than that one stand in a corner and cry. On the 8350 it will tap 6-7 cores...lol...if you don't have 6-7 cores, you just don't have 6-7 cores.

Crysis 3 runs like garbage on an i3 (and weaker i5's) as well unless you're using something like a HD 7970 or some other super high end card that gets bottlenecked by the weak CPU trying to make up the difference.


I get that crysis 3 is a cpu bottleneck as i found out using diagnostic software so right now i am more focused on finding out the cause of the bad performance in AC3, i know that an earlier post says AC3 struggles with AMD CPUs but according to a few videos and peoples experience in the game I should be getting over 26 fps when ever i look away from the ground at my feet.


so crysis3, ac3 and sr2 only ones that perform bad?
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