Are my temperatures fine?

lethanh93

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Hi, its my first time buiding a computer and I was wondering if my temperatures are fine or if I should change something.
All temperatures are in C

Ambient:
GPU: 30
CPU: ~30-35

Gaming:
GPU: its weird, when I play skyrim its only like 40 but when I play Vindictus it hits 50-55.
CPU: average is also 50-55

All my case fans and CPU fan was free after rebate, would that me a reason or am I good?

Specs: Mobo MSI Z77-GD65
CPU: Intel core i7 3770k
GPU: Sapphire Radeon 7950
PSU: Seasonic Gold x750
Ram: Corsair Vengeance 2x8gb
Case: Zalman Z9 Plus

Everything is vanilla.
 

MANOFKRYPTONAK

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Both temps are fine. If you want to get your cpu cooler I might suggest a cooler master with a push pull set up (hyper 212+, etc) or a noctura cooler. Air cooled my cpu is about 15-20C at idle. Your gpu temps are great, keep a can of air around and blow the dust off and out every month or two and you should stay cool.
 

lethanh93

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I ran Prime95 and my cpu was hovering at around 70C for all four cores.
Right now, my CPU is ambient at mid 30's.

I was wondering if I should actually buy a different CPU cooler since the one I have now was 20 dollars, free after rebate. lol Alpine 7 Pro
 


Hyper 212 Evo is a very good cheap after market cooler. 70C is safe, but high too. Buying this will let you overclock mildly too.

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-RR-212E-20PK-R2/dp/B005O65JXI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365394637&sr=8-1&keywords=hyper+evo+212


You should have gone for an i5 if this is a strictly gaming PC, would have saved you around 100 dollars.
 

lethanh93

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Right, well I live in Norcal so its about 15-20 C. I got the i7 for 230, around the same price as the i5 3570k so I just decided to upgrade since it wasn't all that much more.
 
The TjMax for the 3570/3770k is 105°C
Thats where the CPU will start throttling its own performance to prevent itself from burning out.

@Compu
I think your getting confused with with the Tcase temperature, which is how hot the IHS (Integrated Heatspreader) of the chip is allowed to get. Which is different to how hot the chip itself can get.
 

CompuTronix

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manofchalk, yes, TjMax is 105C, which is far too hot for continuous operation. I'm well aware of the differences between Tjunction Max and Tcase Max specifications. I wrote the "Core i and Core 2 Temperature Guide" here at Tom's, which was the most popular Sticky for 3 consecutive years, until I removed it because I could no longer keep up with supporting the thread. Please feel free to Google it.

From one of my explanations: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1646425/3570k-prime95-test-run-cpu-temps.html#10627719

" ... Core temperature is measured by an array of 8 analog thermal diodes which monitor the "hot spots" on the surface of the Core, and vary according to task and load. The analog levels are then converted to digital (A to D) by the Digital Thermal Sensor (DTS) which output the highest temperature of the analog array. So 4 individual DTS outputs give us 4 individual Core temperatures.

CPU temperature is measured by a single analog thermal diode located within the lower layers of the substrate material at the center of the entire processor die. Since this sensor is not in relative proximity to the individual Cores, some heat is dissipated before reaching the CPU sensor, so there is a know 5C gradient between average Core temperature and CPU temperature, which is shown in this Intel White Paper: http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0709/0709.1861.pdf

Further, the analog CPU temperature is converted to digital by the motherboard's Super I/O (Input / Output) chip, which is then calibrated by BIOS look-up tables, and is the CPU temperature we see in BIOS and in monitoring utilities provided by motherboard manufacturers, as well as freeware such as Hardware Monitor and SpeedFan. I prefer SpeedFan because I can calibrate all 5 temperatures.

Although individual Core temperature DTS sensors (factory calibrated by Intel) are more accurate at high temperatures for processor throttling and shutdown protection, there are known issues such as some Cores showing high Idle temperatures, or too much variation between neighboring Cores. However, CPU temperature is frequently inaccurate due to incorrectly coded BIOS look-up tables for processor variants, which is sometimes corrected by BIOS updates. Regardless, here's what you need to remember:

(1) Core temperature is higher than CPU temperature.
(2) CPU temperature is higher than Ambient temperature.

In your case, the CPU temperature is wrong by about 5C too high. Your average Core temperature with Prime95 Small FFT's (steady-state 100% workload ideal for thermal testing) is about 59C, so if your CPU temperature (60C) was properly calibrated, then it should correspondingly be 54C, or 5C lower than your average Core temperature.

At stock Vcore settings with high-end air cooling or liquid cooling, the CPU temperature should Idle just a degree or so above Ambient (case intake) temperature. As your lowest Core temperature at Idle is 27c, then your CPU temperature should be 22C, which would make your Ambient temperature about 21C.

Lastly, Intel's Thermal Specification - http://ark.intel.com/products/65520/Intel-Core-i5-3570K... - is CPU temperature, NOT Core temperature, which is largely misunderstood. For the i5 3570K, the spec is 67C so the corresponding Core temperature is 5C higher, or 72c ... "
 

CompuTronix

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Personally, I don't wish to see threads that post Core temperatures which reach 80C, especially when overclocked, regardless of the type of cooler. At Tjunction Max, whether a processor's spec is 98C or 100C or 105C, the corresponding Tcase specification is exceeded by about 30c.

Most enthusiasts don't understand the technical differences and the thermal relationship between Core Temperatures (Tjunction) and CPU temperature (Tcase), nor is it much known that average Core temperature is 5C higher than CPU temperature.

For example, the Tcase spec for my i7 2700K is 72C, which means I shouldn't exceed 77C average Core temperature at 22C Ambient. As you can see in my signature, my average Core temperature is 75C at 22C Ambient, so I'm just within spec, which is expected for my overclock, Vcore and cooler combination. Prime95 Small FFT's is run for 10 minutes with case covers removed and all fans at 100% RPM.

Additionally very few know that Standard Ambient Temperature for thermal testing is 22C, which provides a consistent thermal range between Idle and
Tcase Max, and also produces repeatable and accurate test results.

I still try to make others aware whenever possible.