Worth Upgrading to AMD FX-8350?

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Hello, so my question is if it would be worth it for me to upgrade to an AMD fx-8350? I already have a Phenom II x6 1055t which i planned on keeping and just overclocking when needed. Sadly I got a really bad chip and almost any overclock causes the system to become too unstable for me. My main purpose for this would be gaming, I want to know if i will see enough of a boost in FPS to make it worth while. My motherboard is already AM3+ so the only thing i would need to buy is the CPU. I also run various servers from time to time but i assume any modern CPU can handle that just fine? My original plan was to wait for Haswell to come out but I don't know if that will bring any benefits over IB.
Thank you ahead of time for your advice!
 
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If you can't OC your 1055T, then you will see marked improvement with the FX8350. Don't listen to the intel guys...

Compare benchmarks with your CPU stock and then look at same benchmarks with stock 8350. On the low end you'll see 5-10% gain, on the high end you'll see as much as 20-25% gain. That's a worthwhile move. Plus, an AM3+ MoBo will ready for steamroller when it hits next year.

The FX8350 performs on par with the i5-3570k in games and other things, in highly threaded applications out right now it trades blows with the i7-3770k, and any of these guys would tell you that is a worthy upgrade if you asked them about intel. So don't concern yourself with Haswell, it's a 6% performance gain over Ivy, and that's nothing world...
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You won't see much of an improvement, I would wait till christmas. They will release new processors when the consoles come out.

Also are you sure that you have fast enough ram to OC. AMD processors don't do well OCing without proper RAM
 
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I would wait until the next generation Intel chips come out, your phenom should be fine. Yes Haswell should be much better around 15% faster than IB. And haswell will be much more power efficient, and is coming out soon anyway. So save your cash and get an awesome haswell build
 
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Well... I have 1600mhz ram, i assume that is fast enough.
Here are all my PC specs just in case

Phenom II x6 1055t
2x4gb Kingston HyperX 1600 memory
HIS Radeon HD 7870
Asrock 970 Extreme3 AM3+
2 750gb hard drives in Raid 0 (had some old drives laying around)
Antec Earthwatts 650watt
 
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My only concern with buying Haswell early is the USB 3.0 sleep state issue that Intel has apparently fixed (C2 version), but the original C1 version probably still has the issue.

The FX 8350 upgrade wouldn't probably see much difference than what you currently have. I would personally wait until later in the year and see what comes out from AMD first, but that is just me. I'm sure you could go with a Haswell build, but you would need a new mobo and the new CPU, which would probably be around $300 or so (depending on mobo prices and of coarse the CPU prices).

Link to Article about Intel's Haswell Sleep state issues:
Intel Confirms, Fixes Haswell's USB 3.0 S3 Sleep Problems
 
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Well if it's like anything that came around with the orginal Sandy Bridge release, we might be surprised. I just get the feeling that the C1 version is still out there and will be sold first and the C2 (fixed version) will then be sold after the C1 version is OOS. Don't know this for sure, but is a concern if I was buying Haswell when it initially releases.
 
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That ram is good. Have you checked it's timings in bios to check if they are set correctly? Sometimes I had to loosen or tighten timings to get a higher overclock.
 
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Well, to be honest i just left the timings as is, im pretty new to overclocking and don't understand anything about timings :p
I just left them at what i knew was stock for my memory.
As for the sleep problem with Haswell thanks for letting me know. But, I really doubt that would keep me away from buying it since my computer has to run 24/7 anyway, I never put my PC in sleep mode (always running a server or something)
 
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If you can't OC your 1055T, then you will see marked improvement with the FX8350. Don't listen to the intel guys...

Compare benchmarks with your CPU stock and then look at same benchmarks with stock 8350. On the low end you'll see 5-10% gain, on the high end you'll see as much as 20-25% gain. That's a worthwhile move. Plus, an AM3+ MoBo will ready for steamroller when it hits next year.

The FX8350 performs on par with the i5-3570k in games and other things, in highly threaded applications out right now it trades blows with the i7-3770k, and any of these guys would tell you that is a worthy upgrade if you asked them about intel. So don't concern yourself with Haswell, it's a 6% performance gain over Ivy, and that's nothing world shattering at all. While steamroller is a projected 30% gain in single threaded apps over piledriver and 20% gain in highly threaded applications.

Which one sounds most worth it to you?
 
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8350rocks yeah i agree i feel a bit of the same way but i don't quite believe the claims about steamroller, they said similar things about bulldozer before it came out. But can i get some charts to show the performance difference? thanks
 
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There aren't any charts out yet, though there are engineering diagrams showing the difference in architecture...the difference is going to be in the front end, there will be 2 instruction decoders per module on steamroller, where there is currently 1 instruction decoder per module in bulldozer/piledriver...while it doesn't equate to a 50% improvement, it will make a MASSIVE difference...

Without going really into the engineering behind it, the speed of the CPU will increase dramatically as it will be able to process instructions twice as fast as before...even at the same clock speeds.
 
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Lol, nah I doubt ill wait that long, I actually have a potential buyer for my old 1055t which is why im looking to upgrade now, and they want to give me a pretty hefty amount for it.
 
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Cool man, good luck! Please share some solution love to one of us...
 
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lol will do and thanks for all the answers

P.S. - Decided to go with the fx-8350, cheaper, don't have to buy a new mobo, and plus i heard that intel is going full soldered BGA after Haswell. So, I'll stick with AMD for now more bang for my buck (At least for me who already has the motherboard)
 
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Nice man, congrats :)
 
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Hi.
Just for start - my last 3-4 PC was AMD CPU - so i`m not typical Intel Guys ....... BUT
I was in similar dilema as You did.
For me was AMD FX-8350 or Intel i7 3820
I finaly abandon the AMD for the one reason - overheating FX-8350
Coz i work in IT the dealer that i`v talking ordering my new AMD FX was told me " Dude ..... i had sell 10 AMD FX-8350 and the all now in the Service Center coz overheat and random restarts " - iv canceled the order and i google the problem - i found that was right .....
So i pick i7 3820 and i can tell i DON`t regret at all spending extra 250 Euro ...... for quad memory channel !
That`s the thing AMD don`t have and bottleneck them.

My Advice go for i7 3820 !
For example : i make full encode of 120 min 720p movie to 1080p just for 11 minutes - AVS Converter - multithreading enabled
My specs :
PassMark i7 3820
 
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Hm, well thats for the heads up! I looked it up a bit and i can't seem to find anything that was related to heat issues about random restarts. Plus, I have a Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo for the heat. and worst case scenario I can just return the cpu if the one i get has such problems. And, I was also looking at the i7 3820 when i was looking at upgrading due to the quad channel memory, but before i do that i want to wait for haswell-e or ivy bridge-e
 
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It`s right here dude in Tom`s HW :)
FX-3850 Overheat

And maybe you`ll be want to compare them - this one is good site for that
cpuboss

Prob.you make it cool yep - with you cooler but it`s build hot :)
But i agre with you better WAIT :)

I`v allays had my respect for Intel and i`v stuck on AMD and "Stuck" is the right word i found out 3 months ago :)

Sell and don`t wait ...... i7 LGA 2011 is the truth ..... :)
 
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There is no random heat issue with the FX8350...someone just didn't apply their thermal paste correctly...don't alarm people by giving them bad advice. Many PC parts dealers will bad mouth AMD, while I have seen far more intel chips arrive DOA or with heating problems over the years than I ever have AMD.

Additionally the thread you linked is a question about a FX8150 that was mislabeled.

Stop spreading hysteria man...your fears are unfounded and foolish.

Don't you think if this was a widespread problem that really was an issue some news site would have reported it long ago? Especially considering how long the FX8350 has been out??

What's next? The sky is falling, and we should all go to Foxy Loxy's cave for protection?
 
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That was quick link for the first i found in google - put 8350 overheating and check the resoults
And yes you`r right - not all are leading to Manifacture problems - my bad on this one
And Yes you right is was the end of 2012 - when they just show up on the market - let`s hope they are cleared if that problem was real not in my head :)
My point is simple - i`ll will not choose and i did`t CPU that is hard to cool then other that i see more less written about the same problem. That`s why i pick i7 then.
What you do is About You and You only :)
 
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