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I'm looking to upgrade my PC and I've seen these 2 bundles I like but I can't seem to see any real difference between them. Which would be best for a gaming PC? Or are they both pretty much the same?

http://www.awd-it.co.uk/amd-fx-8350-8-core-4.0ghz-asus-crosshair-v-formula-z-motherboard-corsair-vengeance-lp-ddr3-ram-bundle.html

http://www.awd-it.co.uk/amd-fx-8350-vishera-8-core-4.0ghz-asus-sabertooth-990fx-amd-990fx-ddr3-usb3-sli-crossfire-atx-motherboard-corsair-vengeance-lp-ddr3-1600mhz-ram-bundle-clone.html
 
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The crosshair v formula is supposed to be the better one, the sabertooth is a great board however, but with pc's more money normally means better. If you would rather save the money go for the sabertooth.
 
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I had a look at Intel but they didn't seem as good (might just be me not knowing what to look for :p). I was looking at those bundles purely because the CPU is a octo-core compared to Intel's being quad core. Would an Intel be better?
 
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To answer that, what will you be doing? Gaming or editing/rendering.

If you are gaming everyone will say intel is better, the amd isn't worse by much so you can pick that.
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£167.99 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£24.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus P8H77-M PRO Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£94.62 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£50.58 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £338.18
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-10 12:48 BST+0100)

would you consider this?
 
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If that is the site you want to use, these Intel based bundles are far better value because its on a sensible motherboards. The two AMD builds above are on the really high end overpriced stuff.
http://www.awd-it.co.uk/intel-i5-3570k-4.4ghz-asus-p8z77-v-lx-corsair-ddr3-overclocked-gaming-bundle.html
http://www.awd-it.co.uk/intel-i5-3570k-4.4ghz-gigabyte-z77-d3h-corsair-ddr3-overclocked-gaming-bundle.html
Add in 8Gb of ram and its £330
*As a sidenote, they offer the Z77 Sabertooth too, and it's £100 more and doesn't really gain you anything, it shows where the money is going*

As people have said above, whether or not the AMD 8 core processors are better depends on usage.
 
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It will be mostly gaming but I'm also starting to learn C, Java (Android), Unity 3D and 3Ds Max Design so it will be a mix of everything.



Im open to any suggestions, would that be better that the bundles I was looking at. To me it doesn't look better, bundle processor is 4.0 Ghz Octa core where as that is a 3.4 Ghz Quad core. Or is that not the be all and end all of what makes a processor good?

 
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Cores and clock speed are only useful when comparing processors within the same range, at the same task.
AMD processors tend to run at higher clock speeds to compensate for having a lower IPC (basically Intel does more per clock cycle and AMD clocks more often).
The "value" from AMD comes from offering 8core (ish) processors in line with Intels i5s and 6core in line with i3s. If you can use all of those threads, in something like video editing, then it's great value.
Most programs are still only (at best) dual core supported so it really depends on how much stuff you stack up on a processor, and how well it spreads the load.
 
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So is it kinda like AMD is a small gear spinning fast and a Intel is a bigger gear spinning slower?

The kinda programs I usually run together are VLC for watching shows/listening to music, Chrome, Steam + one game or Unity 3D + 3DS Max or Photoshop + Netbeans. So I don't think the load would be that heavy. So would Intel work better for me seeing as it would be able to process the data faster than the AMD?
 
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If you are gaming only, get the i5
If you are editing only get the 8350.
If you want to do both at same price get the 8350, and lose some fps
If you want to do both without any performance loss get the i7.
 
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In short, yes.
Intel is usually recognised as the way to go for gaming, while the 8core processors gain back when you can utilise those threads. Frankly for gaming there's not a lot in it, most games are GPU bound anyway, but for your usage I would reckon it's unlikely you are going to make the most of the AMD.

If you aren't interested in overclocking and just want something that just works well, you can do an i5 build on a tighter budget too, by selecting a non k-series processor and a lower end motherboard. Out of the box performance will be near identical and you'd be hard pushed to notice significant gains unless you are really pushing the processor hard.
 
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I think I'll go for a Intel then. Whilst I'm not overly bothered about overclocking I'd like to give it at least a little try.

Budget isnt too much of an issue. I've been trying to get a full build (or close as I have a PC at home I could strip some parts from) for under £900-1000
 
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£900 would buy you an amazing pc, monitor included if needed. I have an amd build though, monitor on it's way but with £900 you could get quite alot.
 
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Well I have a monitor, keyboard, mouse, blu-ray and DVD drive, hard drives, a corsair 500w PSU (although may want/need a more powerful one) and wireless network card I could use. It's just everything else I need to get :p

EDIT: Does this seem like a good build?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£155.94 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£59.83 @ Ebuyer)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 12g Thermal Paste (£15.37 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£68.93 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£108.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 650 2GB Video Card (£93.48 @ Aria PC)
Case: Xigmatek ASGARD PRO (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£34.96 @ Dabs)
Total: £537.50
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-10 14:24 BST+0100)
 
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some notes :

1- you got 2133 RAM, and i5 by default doesn't support RAM speed above 1600, so to get benefit from speed you have to overclock .

2-Since you plan to OC ( hint : Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler) you should get a CPU with K (=unlocked ) to achieve the maximum potential of OC'ing (again NOCTUA )

3-Ram is little pricy, but that's something we'll deal with ... i just noticed that they are high profile which will cause you trouble to fit in the case w/noctua and also they are too much (why do you need 16gb for ? )

4-VGA could be MUCH better

5-do u have a sufficient PSU ?
 
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what do you think of this under £900 :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£167.99 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£59.83 @ Ebuyer)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 12g Thermal Paste (£15.37 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£68.93 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£51.20 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£49.98 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card (£140.05 @ Dabs)
Case: Xigmatek ASGARD PRO (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£34.96 @ Dabs)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£68.00 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer (£11.99 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: Samsung S24A450B 60Hz 24.0" Monitor (£191.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £860.29
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-10 15:40 BST+0100)
 
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I like that, however I already have 2 monitors, 3 hard drives and a DVD and BluRay drive so I wouldn't need those. I also have a 500w Corsair PSU, would that be fine to use or would I need something bigger?

Also, I might not overclock (or leave it overclocked) so would I be better getting 1600 RAM?

 
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And the 8350 only supports 1866 officially. As long as the RAM is rated at 2133, it will run at 2133.
 
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O.k you can subtract monitors and HDD from the build, and i like the way you're thinking about the ram speed, the PSU is great but it will be much better if you have more (just in case you wanted to try OC )
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£167.99 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£59.83 @ Ebuyer)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver Arctic Alumina Premium Ceramic Polysynthetic 14g Thermal Paste (£9.26 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£68.93 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£50.58 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card (£204.40 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Xigmatek ASGARD PRO (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£34.96 @ Dabs)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£68.00 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £663.95
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-10 16:12 BST+0100)

I think this will sum up your build as rock solid
 
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