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April 10, 2013 1:24:18 PM

hey guys im new to water cooling and this is the first time everr taking it apart i have left the motherboard and cpu blocks on is it ok today that because i would prefer not taking them off and re applying thermal paste etc in case i do something wrong. how do i clean all the parts i need to and radiator?

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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 10, 2013 1:45:19 PM

If you leave the blocks on because you don't want to apply new TIM then you won't be able to rinse out those blocks. You can take a thin cloth to clean out the fittings and you can only rinse out the radiator and tubing. If you do remove the cpu block then you can possibly take it apart if there are screws holding it together, it's usually only two pieces (top and bottom) and a rubber gasket and be very careful with that gasket because you don't have another. A very small bottle brush can be used on some parts and some people like to replace the tubing at this time instead of trying to clean it out. If the tubing isn't very long then a thin cloth can be used to run through the inside with a piece of wire to push it through.
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April 10, 2013 1:51:39 PM

inzone said:
If you leave the blocks on because you don't want to apply new TIM then you won't be able to rinse out those blocks. You can take a thin cloth to clean out the fittings and you can only rinse out the radiator and tubing. If you do remove the cpu block then you can possibly take it apart if there are screws holding it together, it's usually only two pieces (top and bottom) and a rubber gasket and be very careful with that gasket because you don't have another. A very small bottle brush can be used on some parts and some people like to replace the tubing at this time instead of trying to clean it out. If the tubing isn't very long then a thin cloth can be used to run through the inside with a piece of wire to push it through.
ye iw ill replace tubing also res because i think the res was causing me an air leak also i clean the rad with distilled water? do i leave it for 30 mins shake it any process ?

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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 10, 2013 1:57:51 PM

Depending on what your using for liquid and if there are any additives in it a good rinsing is all that's needed, some will use a vinegar/distilled water combination to rinse. If you don't see any kind of build up then the cleaning should be pretty easy.
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April 10, 2013 1:57:57 PM

also what order does your tubing have to go like from res to pum to cpu to mb back to pump or res etc
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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 10, 2013 2:09:26 PM

Since the radiator is where the liquid gets cooled to it's lowest temp in the loop I like to run the tubing from the radiator to the inlet of the cpu block and then to the MB. pump , reservoir and then back to the radiator.
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April 10, 2013 2:11:59 PM

inzone said:
Since the radiator is where the liquid gets cooled to it's lowest temp in the loop I like to run the tubing from the radiator to the inlet of the cpu block and then to the MB. pump , reservoir and then back to the radiator.
ok thaks for your help :) 

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April 10, 2013 2:35:22 PM

inzone said:
Depending on what your using for liquid and if there are any additives in it a good rinsing is all that's needed, some will use a vinegar/distilled water combination to rinse. If you don't see any kind of build up then the cleaning should be pretty easy.
i took tops off all the blocks but did not actually take them off the mb is it ok to clean them with a air compressor?

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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 10, 2013 2:38:33 PM

An air compressor might not get the block clean by just blowing air on it. I would use a bottle brush or tooth brush to loosen up any stuck on particles and then you can blow it out.
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April 10, 2013 2:43:38 PM

inzone said:
An air compressor might not get the block clean by just blowing air on it. I would use a bottle brush or tooth brush to loosen up any stuck on particles and then you can blow it out.
thanks again !

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April 10, 2013 3:43:18 PM

inzone said:
An air compressor might not get the block clean by just blowing air on it. I would use a bottle brush or tooth brush to loosen up any stuck on particles and then you can blow it out.
this rubber seal is driving me in ***** sane i cannot get it in. it will not go in no matter what it just keeps ***** popping out and if u do get it in. which i did like once its to long **** help me please. getting really stressed.





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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 10, 2013 3:51:37 PM

Have you tried both sides of the block? Usually that channel that goes around the edge of the block is where that rubber seal sets into and it has to go in right or you'll have a leak. Don't rusk it and go slow and easy pressing it into the channel as you go along. Getting worked up a stressing will only get you more frustrated because you'll not be concentrating. Don't stretch it when putting it in just place it and press it no stretching.
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April 10, 2013 3:55:50 PM

inzone said:
Have you tried both sides of the block? Usually that channel that goes around the edge of the block is where that rubber seal sets into and it has to go in right or you'll have a leak. Don't rusk it and go slow and easy pressing it into the channel as you go along. Getting worked up a stressing will only get you more frustrated because you'll not be concentrating. Don't stretch it when putting it in just place it and press it no stretching.
im trying to take my time just get mad fast i guess lol i keep pushing it in slowly making sure not to pull it and it just pops right out the other 2 was easy but this one does just not want tog o in

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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 10, 2013 4:14:47 PM

If you have some vasoline you could use a bit of that on the rubber seal to help it stay in the channel. Not a lot because when you tighten down the screws it will squeeze the excess out and some may go into the water channel.
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April 10, 2013 4:17:13 PM

inzone said:
If you have some vasoline you could use a bit of that on the rubber seal to help it stay in the channel. Not a lot because when you tighten down the screws it will squeeze the excess out and some may go into the water channel.
ok thanks and about what. Coolant I use idk what to go for I hear people saying the coloured coolant is bad and it's best to use distilled water? Just from what I have been told what your opinion on this thanks

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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 10, 2013 4:26:38 PM

I have used all of the different coolant types and I use Pure Water from Alphacool with some dye for color. The dye will tend to stain the tubing and any clear reservoir and when I change or yearly cleaning I replace the tubing anyway and the reservoir cleans up pretty good from the dye.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...
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April 11, 2013 12:55:21 AM

inzone said:
I have used all of the different coolant types and I use Pure Water from Alphacool with some dye for color. The dye will tend to stain the tubing and any clear reservoir and when I change or yearly cleaning I replace the tubing anyway and the reservoir cleans up pretty good from the dye.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...
ill post pics when im done
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April 11, 2013 5:18:06 AM

inzone said:
Since the radiator is where the liquid gets cooled to it's lowest temp in the loop I like to run the tubing from the radiator to the inlet of the cpu block and then to the MB. pump , reservoir and then back to the radiator.
like this?. this is what it would look like in that order. but have to wait for my new tubing and res


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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 11, 2013 10:33:39 AM

I actually have that very same case although I have modified it some, well a lot, but it's what I wanted to do. The loop looks pretty much straight forward and what I had said about going to the cpu from the radiator.



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As you can see I had to raise the top a bit to accommodate the thick radiator and push pull fans.
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April 11, 2013 2:29:58 PM

inzone said:
I actually have that very same case although I have modified it some, well a lot, but it's what I wanted to do. The loop looks pretty much straight forward and what I had said about going to the cpu from the radiator.



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As you can see I had to raise the top a bit to accommodate the thick radiator and push pull fans.
wow that looks amazing the only thing i worry about im going to put the pump in the hard drive bays at bottom its going to be a little bit of a run from drive bay to where the pump is that the bottom is that ok?

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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 11, 2013 3:33:59 PM

From this last picture of mine you can just make out the pump that sits between the psu an hard drive rack. It's on the bottom of the case. Besides that I have a second pump under my desk on a shelf that controls the second loop.
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April 12, 2013 7:31:05 AM

inzone said:
From this last picture of mine you can just make out the pump that sits between the psu an hard drive rack. It's on the bottom of the case. Besides that I have a second pump under my desk on a shelf that controls the second loop.
finally got it all together and turned on core 1 max temp is 36c core 2 35c core 3 33c core 4 32c thats at idle is that ok or bad?

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April 12, 2013 7:47:12 AM

btw my processor is a 3960x
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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 12, 2013 10:13:43 AM

I also use water cooling and have the i7-3930k and I have found that the Sandy Bridge-E processor does run a little hotter then the other processors, I got very similar temps before overclocking my cpu. Right now when using real temp the temps are in constant motion so I have the min. and the max. that I can post and that's with just open web pages so it's pretty close to idle. But it is overclocked to 4.5ghz.

min. C1-42 C2-39 C3-37 C4-33 C5-40 C6-37
max. C1-54 C2-52 C3-49 C4-48 C5-51 C6-50

You only posted four core temps and your processor is a six core, did you leave the other two cores out for any reason? The idle temps that you posted are fine as I said this processor will run a little hotter then the regular Sandy Bridge because it has a higher TDP.

Ivy Bridge --77w
Sandy Bridge --95w
Sandy Bridge-E --130w
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April 12, 2013 10:19:29 AM

inzone said:
I also use water cooling and have the i7-3930k and I have found that the Sandy Bridge-E processor does run a little hotter then the other processors, I got very similar temps before overclocking my cpu. Right now when using real temp the temps are in constant motion so I have the min. and the max. that I can post and that's with just open web pages so it's pretty close to idle. But it is overclocked to 4.5ghz.

min. C1-42 C2-39 C3-37 C4-33 C5-40 C6-37
max. C1-54 C2-52 C3-49 C4-48 C5-51 C6-50

You only posted four core temps and your processor is a six core, did you leave the other two cores out for any reason? The idle temps that you posted are fine as I said this processor will run a little hotter then the regular Sandy Bridge because it has a higher TDP.

Ivy Bridge --77w
Sandy Bridge --95w
Sandy Bridge-E --130w
on real temp it says core i7-3960x then it only shows 4 temps not 6?

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April 12, 2013 10:22:42 AM

inzone said:
I also use water cooling and have the i7-3930k and I have found that the Sandy Bridge-E processor does run a little hotter then the other processors, I got very similar temps before overclocking my cpu. Right now when using real temp the temps are in constant motion so I have the min. and the max. that I can post and that's with just open web pages so it's pretty close to idle. But it is overclocked to 4.5ghz.

min. C1-42 C2-39 C3-37 C4-33 C5-40 C6-37
max. C1-54 C2-52 C3-49 C4-48 C5-51 C6-50

You only posted four core temps and your processor is a six core, did you leave the other two cores out for any reason? The idle temps that you posted are fine as I said this processor will run a little hotter then the regular Sandy Bridge because it has a higher TDP.

Ivy Bridge --77w
Sandy Bridge --95w
Sandy Bridge-E --130w
because i did not open realtemp gt my bad this is max tempo all cores currently been to while on wow C1-36 C2-34 C3-34 C4-35 C5-39 C6-44

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April 12, 2013 10:24:03 AM

my fans go really slow has well i have none of them plugged into mb just moles and 3pins at back
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April 12, 2013 10:28:21 AM



also the res is a ek bay spin res it does not spin though i wonder if my pump is not powerful enough its a 12v
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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 12, 2013 10:47:03 AM

Your really doing a great job there with your setup and it's looking really good, we have very similar builds , same case , same MB , but you chose the more expensive CPU. Your temps look good for stock idle temps and if you plan on overclocking expect the temps to go up as your clock speed goes up. You should be able to get to 4.7ghz and still be ok with the temps. I don't know if you have looked in the bios of that MB but there are a ton of overclocking options from presets to manually doing your own. It's going to take a while to look through the options and decide which way you want to go.

Looking at your case it shows me what my case used to look like before I started making changes. For the fans , that case has 200mm and 230mm fans and they do spin slower then the smaller fans but they do push a good amount of air.
What are you referring to when you say that the reservoir spins?
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April 12, 2013 11:00:03 AM

inzone said:
Your really doing a great job there with your setup and it's looking really good, we have very similar builds , same case , same MB , but you chose the more expensive CPU. Your temps look good for stock idle temps and if you plan on overclocking expect the temps to go up as your clock speed goes up. You should be able to get to 4.7ghz and still be ok with the temps. I don't know if you have looked in the bios of that MB but there are a ton of overclocking options from presets to manually doing your own. It's going to take a while to look through the options and decide which way you want to go.

Looking at your case it shows me what my case used to look like before I started making changes. For the fans , that case has 200mm and 230mm fans and they do spin slower then the smaller fans but they do push a good amount of air.
What are you referring to when you say that the reservoir spins?
well i bought all the components from a friend for like 1k cheaper then if i was to buy it all from a shop thats only reason why i have the 3960x or i was going to buy the 3930k. and this is what i mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaz5k1IF82s thats the same res has mine and if you see in the bottom right corner it spins mine does not i wonder if that is to do with my pump not being good enough or something. my pump is ek dcp 4.0 12v



my room temp is at 21c these are my last temps from playing bf3 high setting i have a gtx 570 so cant play ultra allot of the surroundings just go black hopefully upgrade the gpu to a titan or 690 at some point




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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 12, 2013 11:31:55 AM

Yes , those are vry good temps and you got a really good price from your friend, that CPU and MB alone go way over 1K.
The thing that's supposed to spin is a flow meter and it should spin to show that your pump is working and liquid is moving in the loop. It may need to be moved as it may have been displaced when shipped in it's package, were there any instructions that came with it to tell you anything about it?
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April 12, 2013 11:49:39 AM

inzone said:
Yes , those are vry good temps and you got a really good price from your friend, that CPU and MB alone go way over 1K.
The thing that's supposed to spin is a flow meter and it should spin to show that your pump is working and liquid is moving in the loop. It may need to be moved as it may have been displaced when shipped in it's package, were there any instructions that came with it to tell you anything about it?
says nothing about it on instructions
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April 12, 2013 12:12:17 PM

if i flick the front of the res with my finger it like spins abit then stop i also tryd tilting the case does the same thing
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April 12, 2013 12:20:45 PM

inzone said:
Yes , those are vry good temps and you got a really good price from your friend, that CPU and MB alone go way over 1K.
The thing that's supposed to spin is a flow meter and it should spin to show that your pump is working and liquid is moving in the loop. It may need to be moved as it may have been displaced when shipped in it's package, were there any instructions that came with it to tell you anything about it?
so i guess that means my flow rate is bad?

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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 12, 2013 2:33:35 PM

No not necessarily , what it means is that the flow meter is not working the way it should. I have no experience with this reservoir so I can't tell you how it's supposed to work and how it's to be set up. The usual style flow meter is a wheel type device inside a tube that is connected some place in the loop and when the liquid is flowing the wheel spins. Having it inside the reservoir is unusual and I'm not exactly sure how it's supposed to work. The link below will take you to the product page that shows the reservoir and gives a description of how it's supposed to work, if you click on the product image and look at the second slide you'll see that the wheel is more visible from the rear of the reservoir. With the pump on you should be able to see motion inside the reservoir of the liquid moving . Are you able to see any movement?
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April 12, 2013 2:37:22 PM

inzone said:
No not necessarily , what it means is that the flow meter is not working the way it should. I have no experience with this reservoir so I can't tell you how it's supposed to work and how it's to be set up. The usual style flow meter is a wheel type device inside a tube that is connected some place in the loop and when the liquid is flowing the wheel spins. Having it inside the reservoir is unusual and I'm not exactly sure how it's supposed to work. The link below will take you to the product page that shows the reservoir and gives a description of how it's supposed to work, if you click on the product image and look at the second slide you'll see that the wheel is more visible from the rear of the reservoir. With the pump on you should be able to see motion inside the reservoir of the liquid moving . Are you able to see any movement?
ye i can see the coolant moving in the res

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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 12, 2013 3:55:48 PM

As long as you can see movement you know that the pump is working, it's when there is no movement that you know it's not working. The EK reservoir in that youtube video had a nicer setup with the flow wheel and you could see it better if I had that reservoir I might be taking it apart to see what makes it tick and to make sure that the flow wheel was in it's proper place. But that's me and how I do things and not suggesting you do that after the issue you had with that block and the gasket. How did you make out with that anyways. You got it back together ok?
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April 12, 2013 3:55:53 PM

inzone said:
No not necessarily , what it means is that the flow meter is not working the way it should. I have no experience with this reservoir so I can't tell you how it's supposed to work and how it's to be set up. The usual style flow meter is a wheel type device inside a tube that is connected some place in the loop and when the liquid is flowing the wheel spins. Having it inside the reservoir is unusual and I'm not exactly sure how it's supposed to work. The link below will take you to the product page that shows the reservoir and gives a description of how it's supposed to work, if you click on the product image and look at the second slide you'll see that the wheel is more visible from the rear of the reservoir. With the pump on you should be able to see motion inside the reservoir of the liquid moving . Are you able to see any movement?
im going to run prime 95 to test my cpu how long should i run it for and im choosing the in place option. in place. think its the best test there is on it

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April 12, 2013 3:58:02 PM

inzone said:
As long as you can see movement you know that the pump is working, it's when there is no movement that you know it's not working. The EK reservoir in that youtube video had a nicer setup with the flow wheel and you could see it better if I had that reservoir I might be taking it apart to see what makes it tick and to make sure that the flow wheel was in it's proper place. But that's me and how I do things and not suggesting you do that after the issue you had with that block and the gasket. How did you make out with that anyways. You got it back together ok?
yes lol them gaskets :@ i put it in and laid Allen keys on it to try and make it stay in shape lol left it over night and i got it on next morning nice and easy.

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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 12, 2013 4:00:28 PM

Are you overclocking your CPU? I don't run Prime95 unless I'm overclocking. If your just testing the stock clock speed without overclocking I guess you could run it for an hour or two to get a sense of what the temps are under stress at stock speed.
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April 12, 2013 4:05:08 PM

inzone said:
Are you overclocking your CPU? I don't run Prime95 unless I'm overclocking. If your just testing the stock clock speed without overclocking I guess you could run it for an hour or two to get a sense of what the temps are under stress at stock speed.
ye just at stock its at 60c atm and its been on for about 25mins is that bad?

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April 12, 2013 4:17:35 PM

inzone said:
Are you overclocking your CPU? I don't run Prime95 unless I'm overclocking. If your just testing the stock clock speed without overclocking I guess you could run it for an hour or two to get a sense of what the temps are under stress at stock speed.
also thinking about using the asus rampage iv extreme oc profiles the normal one oc to 4.375 ghz

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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 13, 2013 11:25:45 AM

The great thing about this MB is all the preset overclocks that it has and how easy it is to get a overclock and not have to worry about the settings. The 4.375 would be a good choice and very easy to get a good high clock setting. Just select and enter and it's done.
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April 13, 2013 11:33:23 AM

inzone said:
The great thing about this MB is all the preset overclocks that it has and how easy it is to get a overclock and not have to worry about the settings. The 4.375 would be a good choice and very easy to get a good high clock setting. Just select and enter and it's done.
ye tryd that oc for some reason after saved it turned off it would not turn back on just black screen but i loaded the 4.7 ghz gamer one and im testing it on prime 95 atm ran for 55minutes and its at 78c im worried lol

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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 13, 2013 11:49:35 AM

The one thing to keep in mind is that when you overclock and then run Prime , the test will stress your computer 100% and the temps that you see will be for a 100% usage of the computer. In everyday usage you do not get close to 100% so you won't see those temps again until you run Prime again (if you do). Thermal shutdown is 90c and the computer will shut down if it reaches that temp to protect he CPU.
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April 13, 2013 11:55:50 AM

inzone said:
The one thing to keep in mind is that when you overclock and then run Prime , the test will stress your computer 100% and the temps that you see will be for a 100% usage of the computer. In everyday usage you do not get close to 100% so you won't see those temps again until you run Prime again (if you do). Thermal shutdown is 90c and the computer will shut down if it reaches that temp to protect he CPU.
well i was thinking of leaving it on until tomorrow morning what you think its 8pm atm in uk its been running 1h 16mins. if i was to turn it off at 10 am it would of ran for 14h but idk how long im meant to run it for and if its ok to leave over night?

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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 13, 2013 2:15:11 PM

What people tend to do with Prime95 is to use it as a stability test program and in the process of overclocking will leave it on for a one or two hour test. When they reach the clock speed that they want to keep and I do mean keep and not go any further with overclocking they will set he program up and run it for a 12 or 24 hour burn in that will help set the clock speed to be permanent and get the CPU locked into that voltage.
If your content with this clock setting then you would let it run for that period of time if not then let it run for an hour or two to test for stability and then decide later to change it to something else or keep it, so it's your choice.
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April 13, 2013 2:21:58 PM

inzone said:
What people tend to do with Prime95 is to use it as a stability test program and in the process of overclocking will leave it on for a one or two hour test. When they reach the clock speed that they want to keep and I do mean keep and not go any further with overclocking they will set he program up and run it for a 12 or 24 hour burn in that will help set the clock speed to be permanent and get the CPU locked into that voltage.
If your content with this clock setting then you would let it run for that period of time if not then let it run for an hour or two to test for stability and then decide later to change it to something else or keep it, so it's your choice.
well its at 4.7ghz and i think i will keep it there ill run for about 14h its max temp is 79c atm but its hovering between 74-75 probs because o opened my window 21c in my room what u think to temps?

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a c 139 K Overclocking
a c 180 V Motherboard
April 13, 2013 3:41:39 PM

If you can sustain 79c through the test then that's very good temps because as I said before you won't see those temps again unless you are running your computer at 100% capacity (very unlikely). With normal usage you will see maybe 60c and there's certainly nothing wrong with that.
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April 13, 2013 10:58:07 PM

inzone said:
If you can sustain 79c through the test then that's very good temps because as I said before you won't see those temps again unless you are running your computer at 100% capacity (very unlikely). With normal usage you will see maybe 60c and there's certainly nothing wrong with that.
it stayed at 79c but one of my workers had a hardware failure at 7h and 50 minutes?

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