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April 10, 2013 4:39:26 PM

Why is Intel SO much better than AMD supposedly? If it was so much better than why can I buy a 200 dollar 4.0ghz processor from AMD and a 400 dollars 3.6ghz processor from intel? They mostly have the same specs anyways. So why are they considered so much? I making a gaming PC and I'm trying to get as much bang for my buck.

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April 10, 2013 4:46:18 PM

Intel is much better than AMD for gaming, but the higher price of intel is due to the night import costs of the magic dust that they put in their processors.
April 10, 2013 4:52:33 PM

Intel has better tech like Hyper-threading and Turbo Boost Technology provides better overclocking. If gaming is the most demanding you'll be doing then AMD will be fine. If you'll be doing other stuff like video rendering Intel is better.
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April 10, 2013 5:04:36 PM

As of now, Intel's I5-3570K is the best value by far for gaming. It crushes any of AMD's stuff for the most part. It cost a similar amount of the FX-8350. And draws a lot less power. For heavily threaded apps like photoshop etc. The AMD FX-8350 is better with it's 8 cores.

We'll see how things shake out with the upcoming Haswell and Steamrollers.
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April 10, 2013 5:12:08 PM

Intel vs AMD

Intel Fanboy: "AMD users are poor and their chips don't have "real cores" in them. I don't know what those are, but they aren't cores. Real men can afford to upgrade their CPU and mobo every year to get a 5% performance increase."

AMD Fanboy: "My chip games and heats my house at the same time. Clearly the budget friendly choice. Just wait til Windows 25 when the software catches up and my FX will bulldoze your i7. "

Over.
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April 10, 2013 5:14:30 PM

babernet_1 said:
As of now, Intel's I5-3570K is the best value by far for gaming. It crushes any of AMD's stuff for the most part. It cost a similar amount of the FX-8350. And draws a lot less power. For heavily threaded apps like photoshop etc. The AMD FX-8350 is better with it's 8 cores.

We'll see how things shake out with the upcoming Haswell and Steamrollers.


These guys are filling your head with

Quote:
magic dust that they put in their processors


Intel is NOT better than AMD, they are more or less equal.

Read this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1643324/intel-amd....

This:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/356983-28-8350-good-g...

This:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1627101/amd-cpus-o...

That will set you straight on the truth.

Ignore the Intel fanboys spouting "magic dust" theories and other rubbish about the i5-3570k is the greatest thing in the history of CPUs...it's all BS.
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April 10, 2013 5:32:49 PM

8350rocks said:
babernet_1 said:
As of now, Intel's I5-3570K is the best value by far for gaming. It crushes any of AMD's stuff for the most part. It cost a similar amount of the FX-8350. And draws a lot less power. For heavily threaded apps like photoshop etc. The AMD FX-8350 is better with it's 8 cores.

We'll see how things shake out with the upcoming Haswell and Steamrollers.


These guys are filling your head with

Quote:
magic dust that they put in their processors


Intel is NOT better than AMD, they are more or less equal.

Read this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1643324/intel-amd....

This:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/356983-28-8350-good-g...

This:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1627101/amd-cpus-o...

That will set you straight on the truth.

Ignore the Intel fanboys spouting "magic dust" theories and other rubbish about the i5-3570k is the greatest thing in the history of CPUs...it's all BS.


Every time someone tries to say they are equal in threaded apps, I always pull this out.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-a-pc-overcloc...

Clock for clock, the 3570k beats an 8350 in 95% of the benchmarks.

Out of the box the 8350 might have a slight advantage, but that is because AMD clocks their chips higher at stock. Even up the clock speeds and Intel wins every time. They are never compared that way for some reason other than in this article.

Ignore the gaming benchmarks, focus on the CPU related ones where both systems are overclocked to 4.4.
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April 10, 2013 6:25:23 PM

Hi :) 

For GAMING you should look at the GPU FIRST....

I have an old AMD Phenom 1100t with a 7990 gpu.....

You could spend £1000 on the latest Intel CPU and NOT GET 1 FRAME MORE than my old phenom....

THAT'S A FACT....

So Intel is NOT better for Gaming than AMD...


All the best Brett :) 
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April 10, 2013 6:58:52 PM

Brett928S2 said:
Hi :) 

For GAMING you should look at the GPU FIRST....

I have an old AMD Phenom 1100t with a 7990 gpu.....

You could spend £1000 on the latest Intel CPU and NOT GET 1 FRAME MORE than my old phenom....

THAT'S A FACT....

So Intel is NOT better for Gaming than AMD...


All the best Brett :) 


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@JD88 if you OC intel you have to OC AMD otherwise the comparison is null and void as it isn't a fair comparison. Either compare them stock, or OC'ed.

Also, all those single threaded benchmarks mean less than a handful of "magic beans" when you're gaming.
April 10, 2013 7:55:04 PM

Brett928S2 said:
Hi :) 

For GAMING you should look at the GPU FIRST....

I have an old AMD Phenom 1100t with a 7990 gpu.....

You could spend £1000 on the latest Intel CPU and NOT GET 1 FRAME MORE than my old phenom....

THAT'S A FACT....

So Intel is NOT better for Gaming than AMD...


All the best Brett :) 


I can't believe you have said that!, it all depends on what game you are playing, I had a phenom 965 overclocked to 3.9 ghz and on intensive cpu games like far cry 3 in heavy scenes i was getting like 32-35 fps with my 660 ti as it was just using like 40% of the GPU for that scene, now with the 3570K i am getting constant 60 fps with Vsync on same settings and if I turn off vsync i can easly get 70+ FPS with my card always being used 100% so zero bottleneck.
Same story with Crysis 3, Hitman absolution, tomb raider
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April 10, 2013 9:12:04 PM

Brett928S2 said:


@JD88 if you OC intel you have to OC AMD otherwise the comparison is null and void as it isn't a fair comparison. Either compare them stock, or OC'ed.

Also, all those single threaded benchmarks mean less than a handful of "magic beans" when you're gaming.


They were both overclocked to 4.4. It's not like the FX-8350 has any more headroom than a 3570k anyway, and even if a particular chip did, it would turn into a 300w space heater real quick.

The gaming benchmarks are later in which the i5 wins in several games despite the FX being paired with the better graphics card (670 vs 7870xt).

The sad thing is, I think AMD is a great company and would love to support them. In fact, I think they care about the enthusiast gamer far more than Intel or Nvidia. I think the Trinity APUs are awesome chips, especially in laptops. I also like what they are doing with their low power tablet chips.

I just can't buy their products because they don't let me play the games I want smoothly. The games I like for some reason favor Intel CPUs and Nvidia GPUs. I'm just hoping Steamroller gives me a reason to upgrade my 2500k because Haswell certainly doesn't look like it will.
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April 11, 2013 7:18:39 AM

JD88 said:
Brett928S2 said:


@JD88 if you OC intel you have to OC AMD otherwise the comparison is null and void as it isn't a fair comparison. Either compare them stock, or OC'ed.

Also, all those single threaded benchmarks mean less than a handful of "magic beans" when you're gaming.


They were both overclocked to 4.4. It's not like the FX-8350 has any more headroom than a 3570k anyway, and even if a particular chip did, it would turn into a 300w space heater real quick.

The gaming benchmarks are later in which the i5 wins in several games despite the FX being paired with the better graphics card (670 vs 7870xt).

The sad thing is, I think AMD is a great company and would love to support them. In fact, I think they care about the enthusiast gamer far more than Intel or Nvidia. I think the Trinity APUs are awesome chips, especially in laptops. I also like what they are doing with their low power tablet chips.

I just can't buy their products because they don't let me play the games I want smoothly. The games I like for some reason favor Intel CPUs and Nvidia GPUs. I'm just hoping Steamroller gives me a reason to upgrade my 2500k because Haswell certainly doesn't look like it will.


Actually, the FX8350 will OC well past 5.0 GHz...I have seen many CPU-z verifications for over 5.0 and the highest 24/7 OC I have seen was 5.6 GHz, he ran cinebench and prime95 as well as a few other benchmarks. He was using h100i cooling to keep it under 50C, but who doesn't use liquid on an OC like that? 40% overclocked...?
April 11, 2013 11:30:08 AM

8350rocks said:
babernet_1 said:
As of now, Intel's I5-3570K is the best value by far for gaming. It crushes any of AMD's stuff for the most part. It cost a similar amount of the FX-8350. And draws a lot less power. For heavily threaded apps like photoshop etc. The AMD FX-8350 is better with it's 8 cores.

We'll see how things shake out with the upcoming Haswell and Steamrollers.


These guys are filling your head with

Quote:
magic dust that they put in their processors


Intel is NOT better than AMD, they are more or less equal.

Read this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1643324/intel-amd....

This:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/356983-28-8350-good-g...

This:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1627101/amd-cpus-o...

That will set you straight on the truth.

Ignore the Intel fanboys spouting "magic dust" theories and other rubbish about the i5-3570k is the greatest thing in the history of CPUs...it's all BS.


Please don't quote me. I'm an AMD person but intel is so much better, if I had enough funds I would be running an ivy bridge system. Please 8350Rocks, be gone with your fanboyism.
April 11, 2013 11:44:03 AM

If you have a microcenter by you a 3570k is cheaper than a 8350($40-50 cheaper if buying a MB as well), uses a lot less power, and generates less heat. Also, the intel will give MOST games a few more fps if you look at any benchmark ever. Imo this is a no brainer. If you dont have a microcenter by you the price is still only ~$20 difference.

P.s. even in crysis 3 the two are the same in average fps but intel is higher in minimum fps which = smoother play
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April 11, 2013 11:50:13 AM

Flightsimluke said:

Please don't quote me. I'm an AMD person but intel is so much better, if I had enough funds I would be running an ivy bridge system. Please 8350Rocks, be gone with your fanboyism.


I quoted you because what you said was ridiculous, in every sense, and it was every bit right to quote "magic dust" I couldn't pass up the opportunity.

There is no "fanboyism" in here...only reality. Honestly, I don't care what you run, or what you can afford versus what you would prefer to run...that means nothing to me...

The simple fact that you think intel is in some way "significantly better", especially given the newest game benchmarks all being 6 of one and half dozen of the other in terms of frame rates just leads to show you haven't done your research at all...

As you said, "Be gone with your fanboyism"

April 11, 2013 12:34:13 PM

8350rocks said:
Flightsimluke said:

Please don't quote me. I'm an AMD person but intel is so much better, if I had enough funds I would be running an ivy bridge system. Please 8350Rocks, be gone with your fanboyism.


I quoted you because what you said was ridiculous, in every sense, and it was every bit right to quote "magic dust" I couldn't pass up the opportunity.

There is no "fanboyism" in here...only reality. Honestly, I don't care what you run, or what you can afford versus what you would prefer to run...that means nothing to me...

The simple fact that you think intel is in some way "significantly better", especially given the newest game benchmarks all being 6 of one and half dozen of the other in terms of frame rates just leads to show you haven't done your research at all...

As you said, "Be gone with your fanboyism"



Yes, but I'm not a fanboy, and you have no right to say that considering the fact that everytime I see you on these forums you're filling innocent people's heads with all this rubbish about how the 8350 is some kind of wonder-CPU, and the i7 is crap. I'm an AMD guy simply because it fits the bill of what I need, but you can't just keep trying to keep up your little illusion about how AMD and Intel are similar.

And back to you calling me a Fanboy. I'm not the guy who seems to always refer to some crappy benchmark that claims the 8350 is better for one little task. I, lets remember, am not the one with the username "8350rocks"
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April 11, 2013 1:16:04 PM

audiophizile13 said:
If you have a microcenter by you a 3570k is cheaper than a 8350($40-50 cheaper if buying a MB as well), uses a lot less power, and generates less heat. Also, the intel will give MOST games a few more fps if you look at any benchmark ever. Imo this is a no brainer. If you dont have a microcenter by you the price is still only ~$20 difference.

P.s. even in crysis 3 the two are the same in average fps but intel is higher in minimum fps which = smoother play


You can get an 8350 and a motherboard at Microcenter for the cost of what Newegg charges for the 3570k itself. If going to microcenter, an 8320 and MSI-970A-g46 is an even better priced combo yet. 8320 is the same as the 8350, just lower clock speed due to lower setting of the multiplier.
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April 11, 2013 1:41:53 PM

Minimum frate rates should be the staple of why intel processors are better then amd processors for gaming. Unless your ok with below 60 fps in cpu intensive games then intel is a must.
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April 11, 2013 1:49:06 PM

Flightsimluke said:


Yes, but I'm not a fanboy, and you have no right to say that considering the fact that everytime I see you on these forums you're filling innocent people's heads with all this rubbish about how the 8350 is some kind of wonder-CPU, and the i7 is crap. I'm an AMD guy simply because it fits the bill of what I need, but you can't just keep trying to keep up your little illusion about how AMD and Intel are similar.


My, "illusion" was it?

I would like to refer to you to these threads that clearly explain who is living in "intel land" and what those of us living in reality are seeing:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1643324/intel-amd....

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/356983-28-8350-good-g...

If you read the wealth of information posted there, that I am not about to repost...you will see...I am not filling anyone's head with rubbish. Nor have I ever said the i7 is crap. I would love for you to provide a quote where I have offered inaccurate information. I invite the challenge, because I know, in good faith, you cannot. I've never said intel product was bad, just that it's not "superior" to AMD...and I have criticised their business practices and ethics on a few occasions...which is something I take into consideration when looking at a product.

Flightsimluke said:
And back to you calling me a Fanboy. I'm not the guy who seems to always refer to some crappy benchmark that claims the 8350 is better for one little task. I, lets remember, am not the one with the username "8350rocks"


Usernames have nothing to do with the price of goats in africa...

I don't cite "crappy benchmarks" either, you could find them yourself if you bothered to look...

Furthermore, I am not very fond of your disrespectful tone, and I have spent well enough time on this earth for you to refer to me without rudeness, ignorance or contempt. I tolerate none of those personality traits well at all...

Keep your tone and attitude civil, or don't bother to reply. Just because I am on one side of a computer screen, and you are somewhere tucked away in another part of this country or another, gives you no right to be disrespectful to anyone. I served my country so you could sit and type away! The very LEAST you can do is correspond to me like you have any sense of respect for others. The lack of respectful attitudes around here can be appalling sometimes. It's not like I am forcing you to call me captain or sir...just treat me with respect.

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April 11, 2013 2:19:31 PM
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AMD is generally more for the budget crowd. AMD as a platform, is much cheaper, generally than an equally featured Intel one. This allows for better a better graphics card than an Intel rig would be capable of on a budget.
April 11, 2013 2:20:14 PM

8350rocks said:
Flightsimluke said:


Yes, but I'm not a fanboy, and you have no right to say that considering the fact that everytime I see you on these forums you're filling innocent people's heads with all this rubbish about how the 8350 is some kind of wonder-CPU, and the i7 is crap. I'm an AMD guy simply because it fits the bill of what I need, but you can't just keep trying to keep up your little illusion about how AMD and Intel are similar.


My, "illusion" was it?

I would like to refer to you to these threads that clearly explain who is living in "intel land" and what those of us living in reality are seeing:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1643324/intel-amd....

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/356983-28-8350-good-g...

If you read the wealth of information posted there, that I am not about to repost...you will see...I am not filling anyone's head with rubbish. Nor have I ever said the i7 is crap. I would love for you to provide a quote where I have offered inaccurate information. I invite the challenge, because I know, in good faith, you cannot. I've never said intel product was bad, just that it's not "superior" to AMD...and I have criticised their business practices and ethics on a few occasions...which is something I take into consideration when looking at a product.

Flightsimluke said:
And back to you calling me a Fanboy. I'm not the guy who seems to always refer to some crappy benchmark that claims the 8350 is better for one little task. I, lets remember, am not the one with the username "8350rocks"


Usernames have nothing to do with the price of goats in africa...

I don't cite "crappy benchmarks" either, you could find them yourself if you bothered to look...

Furthermore, I am not very fond of your disrespectful tone, and I have spent well enough time on this earth for you to refer to me without rudeness, ignorance or contempt. I tolerate none of those personality traits well at all...

Keep your tone and attitude civil, or don't bother to reply. Just because I am on one side of a computer screen, and you are somewhere tucked away in another part of this country or another, gives you no right to be disrespectful to anyone. I served my country so you could sit and type away! The very LEAST you can do is correspond to me like you have any sense of respect for others. The lack of respectful attitudes around here can be appalling sometimes. It's not like I am forcing you to call me captain or sir...just treat me with respect.


Is it only a 'disrespectful' tone because you're wrong? Frankly, there are many people who can back me up here, as this isn't the first AMD related post that you've appeared on. I don't care what you think about things like where I am or why I'm trying to get people a good deal, but I can see that there is no point in trying to get people like you to see sense, as you are masked by the idea that everyone should think like you, whether your views go with or against plain evidence. Would it not be best if we just stopped this right here right now, as I simply don't have the daylight in my timezone to continue this. Lets remember that I am a passionate AMD lover, but even I have to see what is blatant, what the reason is for intel being the most used CPU maker, whether it is in Homebuilt or Prebuilt systems.

AMD are a dying company, and everyone knows that if they don't get their act together over the next few years, they may not see the next decade. At the moment, both companies excel in different places. In terms of personal views, I'd take the A10-5800k + HD7xxx combo over the i3 + HD4000 combo. But when it comes to the top end, the i7 is the obvious choice. The perfect balance of lower power consumption, great performance and decent overclocking abilities on the K versions.
April 11, 2013 4:18:05 PM

8350rocks said:
First, your tone was disrespectful because you dismissed me and talked down to me like I was a 5 year old. Have an intelligent conversation, or don't...but don't insult me or my intelligence by assuming I know nothing, and am uninformed. You'll quickly find I am neither.

Second, I don't hold contention with people over their point of view, if they can support it with facts and not speculation.

Third, AMD is no more a dying company than Nvidia is any good at making x86 CPUs. Their financials show they're on track to make operational profit and get back into the black after Q3 this year. That's based entirely upon their sales only pacing what they are now. Considering their next APU is about to hit in 2 months and sales should spike upward based on the new product, as well as the sales numbers for the HD 7790 are increasing (it's a lot of value for a GPU at that price)...they should be just fine and back on the track of slower recovery. Plus steamroller is on schedule for Q4 2013/Q1 2014...that will sell a LOT of CPUs for AMD.

Fourth, the only point I concede to intel is the one that I cannot prove otherwise, and that's that their single threaded performance is better than the FX8350. In multi threaded applications, they run a tight race, and each chip wins some and loses some, but over all, I consider it a draw in things like encoding and rendering, etc. This is especially dependent on which application is running, revit for example, performs well on AMD, and ripping DVDs is much faster on the FX8350. While things like AutoCAD and other programs that operate primarily on 1 or 2 cores tend to favor the i7-3770k.

In games, recently, most benchmarks between the i5-3570k and the i7-3770k and the FX8350 have all had results within the margin for error of the test...(with a 5-10% margin for error, depending on who is testing and how)...which basically means that all of the newest games are a virtual draw...and I have already shown for each benchmark someone shows with one in the lead, I can show a similar benchmark with the other in the lead by similar margin. The only game I give an advantage to intel is Skyrim, because evidently is just doesn't run well on AMD machines, but "them's the breaks".

I don't expect to change your mind, or your preference for one or the other, I only expect you to see the information I am presenting you so you can make an educated decision and realize that the 2 are far more equal than many initially thought. Yes intel has strengths...but so does AMD. The "holier than thou" attitude about intel gaming supremacy is a common thing from people in this place, it's getting old...and someone needs to set the record straight.

If you're going to sweat 2 FPS in some games...then buy intel...if you'd rather have 98 FPS instead of 100 and save yourself $130...buy AMD...but don't try to tell me 2 FPS is vastly superior, it's not even above margin for error on any benchmarks anyway.


I'm sorry if you thought that I talked to you like a 5 year old, but no need to post oodles and oodles. You could have got your point across in less than 10 words. And, about your 'Bitch, please. I'm not uninformed!' quote, I'm not exactly Billybob the Moonshiner either.

Although it would be technically impossible for me to be a hillbilly, as I'm British.
April 11, 2013 4:20:50 PM

john1587 said:
Brett928S2 said:
Hi :) 

For GAMING you should look at the GPU FIRST....

I have an old AMD Phenom 1100t with a 7990 gpu.....

You could spend £1000 on the latest Intel CPU and NOT GET 1 FRAME MORE than my old phenom....

THAT'S A FACT....

So Intel is NOT better for Gaming than AMD...


All the best Brett :) 


I can't believe you have said that!, it all depends on what game you are playing, I had a phenom 965 overclocked to 3.9 ghz and on intensive cpu games like far cry 3 in heavy scenes i was getting like 32-35 fps with my 660 ti as it was just using like 40% of the GPU for that scene, now with the 3570K i am getting constant 60 fps with Vsync on same settings and if I turn off vsync i can easly get 70+ FPS with my card always being used 100% so zero bottleneck.
Same story with Crysis 3, Hitman absolution, tomb raider


The only reason Brett ever comments on posts is so he can tell as many people as possible that he has a 7990. Notice how he underlines it. But good advice!
April 11, 2013 4:25:12 PM

There is a new topic about this every day. Go look up other topics, and these kinds of topic creates a flame war, and this is no place for flame wars. So for example don't, Intel vs AMD, GeForce vs Radeon, Windows vs Mac vs Linux, etc.
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April 11, 2013 4:28:17 PM

Flightsimluke said:


I'm sorry if you thought that I talked to you like a 5 year old, but no need to post oodles and oodles. You could have got your point across in less than 10 words. And, about your 'Bitch, please. I'm not uninformed!' quote, I'm not exactly Billybob the Moonshiner either.

Although it would be technically impossible for me to be a hillbilly, as I'm British.


Ha! I never insinuated you weren't intelligent/informed or that you were a hillbilly either...

Where in GB? I've been to Lakenheath briefly, and was only in London long enough to get drunk in a pub the night before a flight out. I was up until after midnight drinking Black and Tans with some fellows I couldn't understand at all, though they most certainly found me amusing...they kept buying pints, so I kept drinking them...lol.

April 11, 2013 5:34:35 PM

8350rocks said:
Flightsimluke said:


I'm sorry if you thought that I talked to you like a 5 year old, but no need to post oodles and oodles. You could have got your point across in less than 10 words. And, about your 'Bitch, please. I'm not uninformed!' quote, I'm not exactly Billybob the Moonshiner either.

Although it would be technically impossible for me to be a hillbilly, as I'm British.


Ha! I never insinuated you weren't intelligent/informed or that you were a hillbilly either...

Where in GB? I've been to Lakenheath briefly, and was only in London long enough to get drunk in a pub the night before a flight out. I was up until after midnight drinking Black and Tans with some fellows I couldn't understand at all, though they most certainly found me amusing...they kept buying pints, so I kept drinking them...lol.



I'm about 25 miles from Lakenheath, and my cousins live about 5 miles away! I'm sorry about my attitude earlier, it was completely disrespectful.

Those people you couldn't understand might have been Scottish...

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April 11, 2013 5:41:00 PM

This is rather interesting:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-scali...

If you look at the top figure showing an 8350 and 3770k both paired with a single 7970, the Intel chip performs about 10% better on average across the entire benchmark suite suggesting the chard is bottle-necked slightly by the AMD chip. Of course Skyrim is still in there. Problem is, I play Skyrim, Starcraft, and Planetside 2 and so do a lot of other people.
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April 11, 2013 5:52:36 PM

JD88 said:
This is rather interesting:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-scali...

If you look at the top figure showing an 8350 and 3770k both paired with a single 7970, the Intel chip performs about 10% better on average across the entire benchmark suite suggesting the chard is bottle-necked slightly by the AMD chip. Of course Skyrim is still in there. Problem is, I play Skyrim, Starcraft, and Planetside 2 and so do a lot of other people.


I saw that review, it is interesting that the intel's perform a tiny bit better with AMD CPUs...and Nvidia, Ironically perform better on AMDs...I would never have expected it to be that way.

Planetside 2 is much improved on AMD hardware since the last patch was my understanding, though I haven't played it.
April 12, 2013 8:07:04 AM

JD88 said:

Clock for clock, the 3570k beats an 8350 in 95% of the benchmarks.


Even giving Intel an extra overclock margin of 0.6 GHz, the result is {*}:

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My conclusion is that they are very similar in performance at these speeds, i5 wins Some, FX8350 wins some, out of 6 game benchmarks 3 single GPU benches and 3 crossfire benches , the fx8350 won 3 and the i5 won 3, the I5 wins at 3d mark 11 but the 8350 was even at Heaven.


http://www.overclock.net/t/1333027/amd-fx-8350-vs-i5-35...

{*} Using software only optimized for Intel. Using software optimized for both, the FX is much much faster.
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April 12, 2013 9:53:20 AM

juanrga said:
JD88 said:

Clock for clock, the 3570k beats an 8350 in 95% of the benchmarks.


Even giving Intel an extra overclock margin of 0.6 GHz, the result is {*}:

Quote:
My conclusion is that they are very similar in performance at these speeds, i5 wins Some, FX8350 wins some, out of 6 game benchmarks 3 single GPU benches and 3 crossfire benches , the fx8350 won 3 and the i5 won 3, the I5 wins at 3d mark 11 but the 8350 was even at Heaven.


http://www.overclock.net/t/1333027/amd-fx-8350-vs-i5-35...

{*} Using software only optimized for Intel. Using software optimized for both, the FX is much much faster.


No, I've read that Tom's Hardware uses the latest AMD Hot Fixes for its benchmarking too.
April 12, 2013 10:00:01 AM

8350rocks said:
JD88 said:
This is rather interesting:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-scali...

If you look at the top figure showing an 8350 and 3770k both paired with a single 7970, the Intel chip performs about 10% better on average across the entire benchmark suite suggesting the chard is bottle-necked slightly by the AMD chip. Of course Skyrim is still in there. Problem is, I play Skyrim, Starcraft, and Planetside 2 and so do a lot of other people.


I saw that review, it is interesting that the intel's perform a tiny bit better with AMD CPUs...and Nvidia, Ironically perform better on AMDs...I would never have expected it to be that way.

Planetside 2 is much improved on AMD hardware since the last patch was my understanding, though I haven't played it.


I really think that AMD has missed the boat on this one. There has got to be a lot they could do to optimize the performance of AMD GPU's when paired with an AMD processor to promote a unified platform. Perhaps they have, in fact, tried just that and found that nVidia GPU's would suffer too much from it, driving nVidia owners to Intel. /shrug

April 12, 2013 11:49:22 AM

babernet_1 said:
juanrga said:
JD88 said:

Clock for clock, the 3570k beats an 8350 in 95% of the benchmarks.


Even giving Intel an extra overclock margin of 0.6 GHz, the result is {*}:

Quote:
My conclusion is that they are very similar in performance at these speeds, i5 wins Some, FX8350 wins some, out of 6 game benchmarks 3 single GPU benches and 3 crossfire benches , the fx8350 won 3 and the i5 won 3, the I5 wins at 3d mark 11 but the 8350 was even at Heaven.


http://www.overclock.net/t/1333027/amd-fx-8350-vs-i5-35...

{*} Using software only optimized for Intel. Using software optimized for both, the FX is much much faster.


No, I've read that Tom's Hardware uses the latest AMD Hot Fixes for its benchmarking too.


No. I did mean the bdver1, bdver2... optimizations provided by both GCC and AMD Open64 which are absent in intel compiler. Those optimizations apply to other AMD chips such as trinity.

The Bulldozer/piledriver hot fixes that you mention are only a pair of bad patches to the terrible W7 scheduler. The fixes are bad because only provide about a ridiculous 1% performance whereas increase power consumption (about a 7%) because disable certain saving power protocols on AMD chips.
April 20, 2013 10:08:39 AM

Flightsimluke said:
john1587 said:
Brett928S2 said:
Hi :) 

For GAMING you should look at the GPU FIRST....

I have an old AMD Phenom 1100t with a 7990 gpu.....

You could spend £1000 on the latest Intel CPU and NOT GET 1 FRAME MORE than my old phenom....

THAT'S A FACT....

So Intel is NOT better for Gaming than AMD...


All the best Brett :) 


I can't believe you have said that!, it all depends on what game you are playing, I had a phenom 965 overclocked to 3.9 ghz and on intensive cpu games like far cry 3 in heavy scenes i was getting like 32-35 fps with my 660 ti as it was just using like 40% of the GPU for that scene, now with the 3570K i am getting constant 60 fps with Vsync on same settings and if I turn off vsync i can easly get 70+ FPS with my card always being used 100% so zero bottleneck.
Same story with Crysis 3, Hitman absolution, tomb raider


The only reason Brett ever comments on posts is so he can tell as many people as possible that he has a 7990. Notice how he underlines it. But good advice!


Yeah and with a CPU that probably will not handle a 7990 very well anyway
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April 20, 2013 3:00:39 PM

Flightsimluke said:
8350rocks said:
Flightsimluke said:


I'm sorry if you thought that I talked to you like a 5 year old, but no need to post oodles and oodles. You could have got your point across in less than 10 words. And, about your 'Bitch, please. I'm not uninformed!' quote, I'm not exactly Billybob the Moonshiner either.

Although it would be technically impossible for me to be a hillbilly, as I'm British.


Ha! I never insinuated you weren't intelligent/informed or that you were a hillbilly either...

Where in GB? I've been to Lakenheath briefly, and was only in London long enough to get drunk in a pub the night before a flight out. I was up until after midnight drinking Black and Tans with some fellows I couldn't understand at all, though they most certainly found me amusing...they kept buying pints, so I kept drinking them...lol.



I'm about 25 miles from Lakenheath, and my cousins live about 5 miles away! I'm sorry about my attitude earlier, it was completely disrespectful.

Those people you couldn't understand might have been Scottish...

Best Regards
Luke


I think they may have been...there was a soccer/football game on TV in the pub, and all I could gather was they were cheering for Celtic FC...when they scored all these guys went crazy and bought another round of pints...lol.

April 20, 2013 9:02:30 PM

Flightsimluke said:

AMD are a dying company, and everyone knows that if they don't get their act together over the next few years, they may not see the next decade.


It seems to me you are confounding AMD, the company that did gain market in Q4 of past year, and will be selling lots of chips this year on PCs, on consoles, on tablets... with Intel, that dying company, whose profits have dropped a 25% this quarter

http://www.crn.in/news/hardware/2013/03/05/amd-gains-20...

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/29763/intel-continue-to-f...
April 20, 2013 9:44:51 PM

juanrga said:
Flightsimluke said:

AMD are a dying company, and everyone knows that if they don't get their act together over the next few years, they may not see the next decade.


It seems to me you are confounding AMD, the company that did gain market in Q4 of past year, and will be selling lots of chips this year on PCs, on consoles, on tablets... with Intel, that dying company, whose profits have dropped a 25% this quarter

http://www.crn.in/news/hardware/2013/03/05/amd-gains-20...

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/29763/intel-continue-to-f...


I dont see none of the companies are going to die soon, intel is the more popular between enthusiast pc markets and office pcs, AMD is now on next gen consoles so both have their markets
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April 20, 2013 10:32:48 PM

As usual when someone makes a thread of AMD vs Intel it starts the same old arguments that always go nowhere or solve anything.

I find it interesting that the OP that started this thread never made another post.

To avoid further disputes and possibly prevent people from receiving disciplinary action I am closing this thread.
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