i5 2320 bottlneck

Bert Dintson · Apr 12, 2013

I wanted to know up to which graphics card can I buy before I start seeing bottlenecks with my setup:

gateway dx4860
i5 2320 cpu
8gb ddr 3 1333 MHz
wd caviar 7200
gtx 560 ti

I want to upgrade to an hd 7970 or a 7870 ghz
is that going to create a bottle neck?

rolli59 · Apr 12, 2013

They will work fine in most games.

imomun · Apr 12, 2013

Bert Dintson :

i5-2320 quad core 6M Cache, 3.30 GHz
So your card without major bottleneck is GTX 660Ti or HD7870 @ 1080p
I wouldn't recommend aHD7970 or GTX 680.
GTX 660Ti or HD7870 will require a 500W or more Power supply
Some thing like corsair Antec XFX
Thanks

Bert Dintson :

Im almost certain because of the 3.3GHz speed as heres a guy seeing bottolneck for example in skyrim with 3570k@3.8GHz http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1649046/3770k-3570k-bottoleneck.html
But if you don't do CPU intensive games then HD7970 is fine for recent and upcoming games. But the 3.3GHz doesn't sound much promising against a top of the line GPU. Your Call

Thanks

Update:
Heres a classic example How a CPU can effect A game with Same HD7970

Source: http://www.techspot.com/review/608-hitman-absolution-performance-benchmarks/page6.html

Bert Dintson · Apr 12, 2013

imomun :

are you sure? and I have an 850 w black widow. I was told that the 2320 will be fine as long as I dotn run cpu intensive games

Robert Pankiw · Apr 12, 2013

I respectfully disagree with imomum. As resolutions go up, and quality settings climb, the CPU becomes less of a bottleneck compared with the GPU.
At 1080p, using the highest settings available (I would avoid MSAA in favour of something else, like FXAA), you would see more performance from a 7970 than from a 7870.
But if you want best value, probably a 7870 would be the answer, but if you have the money set aside, go with the 79xx series.
If you have a pre-built machine, it probably won't have the wattage, or the connections needed to power a card like those listed above. I have to go, but if I had more time I'd try to find benchmarks showing a CPU like the 2500k at stock (basically same as your CPU) played with different GPUs.

rolli59 · Apr 12, 2013

As stated above that CPU will do fine with those cards in all but CPU intensive games that would benefit from a Quad.

Bert Dintson · Apr 12, 2013

rolli59 :

my 2320 is a quad core. im thinking the 7870 ghz edition my main focus is to beat a ps4 which right now clocks in at 1.84 tflops compared to the 7870 ghz edition whioch is 2.5 gflops. to think, a 3 year old pc can outperform a 500$ console that isn't even released is hilarious

ish416 · Apr 12, 2013

Bert Dintson :

With the low OS/Driver overhead and the fixed hardware (easier to optimize for), the PS4 will likely be graphically superior to your system.

If you want to talk about the number crunching potential, then your pc should be faster.

rolli59 · Apr 12, 2013

Bert Dintson :

My mistake read the answer below the original post and got the impression we where talking I3 based on that. I5 will do well in anything!

simon12 · Apr 12, 2013

You will be fine with any single GPU with maybe the exception of titan.

Bert Dintson · Apr 12, 2013

ish416 :

Bert Dintson :

With the low OS/Driver overhead and the fixed hardware (easier to optimize for), the PS4 will likely be graphically superior to your system.

If you want to talk about the number crunching potential, then your pc should be faster.

im sorry I don agree the 7870 ghz outputs 2.5 tflops the ps4 specs apu will only be 1.8 tflops , your saying optimizations will improve the graphics by over 50%?

ish416 · Apr 12, 2013

Bert Dintson :

As I said before, graphically, the PS4 will produce better and faster graphics than this system will. However, if you are talking strictly computing power, the PC will likely win.

Now, seeing as the PS4 is supposed to have the graphical equivalent of the 7850, yes.

Look at what is capable on the current Xbox 360 and PS3, they have finally squeezed out every bit of performance from these machines. Now, the PS4 is going to be over 9 times more powerful than the current consoles. That is rather massive jump.

Bert Dintson · Apr 12, 2013

ish416 :

Bert Dintson :

As I said before, graphically, the PS4 will produce better and faster graphics than this system will. However, if you are talking strictly computing power, the PC will likely win.

Now, seeing as the PS4 is supposed to have the graphical equivalent of the 7850, yes.

Look at what is capable on the current Xbox 360 and PS3, they have finally squeezed out every bit of performance from these machines. Now, the PS4 is going to be over 9 times more powerful than the current consoles. That is rather massive jump.

I still think when they release the next series of gpus this fall they will be superior to the apu in the ps4. lets say I were to install a 7970by the time ps4 is released and the price dropped due to the new gpus being out, that would be almost 4000 gflops compared to the ps4s 1.8 tflops theres no way overhead optimzations drivers could make up all of that to make it graphically superior. kee in mind the res of all ps4s wont exceed 1080p so theres another advantage graphically that the pc will be superior in.

ish416 · Apr 12, 2013

I understand what you are saying, yes, technically even a 7870 will be more powerful than the apu in the PS4 and probably the next Xbox. However, it all comes down to the software. On launch, the titles available for the PS4 will look and run better than what an "i5 2320, 8gb ddr 3 1333 MHz, wd caviar 7200" system will capable of doing. That was my point. If you were to use these systems (PS4, next Xbox) to purely crunch numbers (like folding or solving for pi) then a mid range pc would have no problem walking all over the next consoles.

Bert Dintson · Apr 12, 2013

ish416 :

what graphics card would walk all over the next gen consoles in terms of graphics with my current cpu

ish416 · Apr 12, 2013

Bert Dintson :

I would say at least a 7970 or GTX680. Even that is questionable. It really depends on the games that come out and the ports the PC will receive.

Take BF3 or Crysis 3 as an example running on an Xbox 360 or PS3, they both look and run similarly to a lower mid-range pc (I3, Phenom X4, FX4xxx and GTX650 (non TI) 7750) which has much higher specs. However, the GPU inside the Xbox 360 is about as powerful as a Radeon X1800. The PS3 GPU is about as powerful as a 7800GTX. Assuming those cards would support all the features to even run those games on a PC, even with the highest end components and one of those GPUs, the game would simply not be playable at comparable graphical quality.

Bert Dintson · Apr 13, 2013

ish416 :

Bert Dintson :

I would say at least a 7970 or GTX680. Even that is questionable. It really depends on the games that come out and the ports the PC will receive.

Take BF3 or Crysis 3 as an example running on an Xbox 360 or PS3, they both look and run similarly to a lower mid-range pc (I3, Phenom X4, FX4xxx and GTX650 (non TI) 7750) which has much higher specs. However, the GPU inside the Xbox 360 is about as powerful as a Radeon X1800. The PS3 GPU is about as powerful as a 7800GTX. Assuming those cards would support all the features to even run those games on a PC, even with the highest end components and one of those GPUs, the game would simply not be playable at comparable graphical quality.

but if that were true than why does bf3 only able to make700 p resolution on ps3 and xbox? “#bf3 is 1280×704 on both PS3 and 360. removing a few lines from 720p saves good perf & memory for us”

while only running at 30 fps? that kind of disputes your point. and the resolutions for all games on the ps4 xbox 720 apparently are only 1080p.
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