Problems with my 7970 Ghz Edition.

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I recently upgraded my video card to an XFX 7970 Ghz Edition. Works nice when the game in question is optimized properly.

Bioshock Infinite on Ultra runs wonderfully.

Crysis 3 on Ultra? Beautiful.

But then problems start cropping up in games like ArmA 3 (which is in alpha) and Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn (yes, it's also in beta).

Both of these games have an odd quirk: No matter what graphical setting I use (low, medium, maximum), the FPS is always capped between 20-30FPS. It never changes. This did not happen with my 5870.

I have already done the following: Updated to Beta Catalyst 13.3 drivers (no go), cleaned out my old drivers (no improvement), and even did minor overclock adjustments (no change).

If anyone has any idea what's going on, and have suggestions on how to troubleshoot it, please let me know.

Here are the basic specs:

ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 Mobo
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T 3.2Ghz
8GB Ram from G.Skill
Corsair 750W PSU
BluRay Burner/Drive
 
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Arma 3 is in alpha and have plenty of performance problems currently with all kinds of setups, this is not a problem with your card, Arma3 is just not optimized yet properly

Same goes for FF14ARR, plenty of work to be done there as well, and in FF14ARR's case network optimization needs to be done as well

Never ever base your performance off Alpha and BETA games, base it off release versions, these games are listed as ALPHA or BETA for a reason, they are not finished or do not have all the performance tweaks yet
 
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That does not fully explain the issue at all. I am concerned that the CPU, which is over two years old, is bottlenecking the video card.

For your information, I got 35 FPS on medium settings in ArmA 3 with my Radeon 5870

But I get 20 FPS on Low, Medium, Ultra (ALL SETTINGS, no matter what!) with my 7970.

Does this convince you that there's an issue that needs to be solved yet or what?
 
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Have you tested weather your bottlenecked or not by overclocking the CPU a bit and seeing if your FPS increases, if so , then your CPU is holding you back
At which point you can either
1. get a newer CPU
2. Cool your CPU better and overclock it
 
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I am considering it, but since Bioshock Infinite and a lot of other games have no problems running at all, I'm wondering that it's a different problem entirely. Are there any utilities that I can use to do a full diagnosis test on my video card to make sure there are no problems with it?
 
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For your information, I got 35 FPS on medium settings in ArmA 3 with my Radeon 5870

But I get 20 FPS on Low, Medium, Ultra (ALL SETTINGS, no matter what!) with my 7970.


Actually that would tell me the Game is not optimized for GCN based GPU's as the 5000 series are VLIW5 Architecture
 
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No there are no utilities like that really
That would just mean Bioshock and other games are not Limited by your CPU , while others are
what kind of performance do you get in Skyrim, as that is a well known game for being CPU limited
 
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GCN? Wait, what?
 
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as much as you think it a problem with your card/drivers again its a beta and apha builds if all your other games work fine then problem is probably just related to games. I know for FF14 there is benchmarking tools you can download and run at different setting I would do that and see what the results are.
 
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GCN or Graphics Core Next is the new GPU chip design that was developed for the 7000 series and beyond GPU's that function differently then the old design which VLIW (or something like that), so optimizations are different between the older cards and the new ones.
 
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Basically I would say you are seeing some kind of CPU bottleneck, but its hard to make judgement when your using Alpha and Beta version games as your point of reference as we don't know how well these games are optimized for specific hardware (your 5870 vs 7970 in Arma3 is a perfect example of a optimization problem)
Using release games as a basis lets us do a comparison better to help work out your problem
 
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Man, you must live in a house that only has 3 walls in every room (beta/alpha the room is there but it is not finished) and wonder why there is a draft!
Now, when they put the 4th wall and doors in it will be much better and no draft! (retail/completed)
You cannot base a GPUs performance on an incomplete game!
Hell, we're all waiting for ARMA3 but fortunately there are some finished games that will keep most of us happy till it's released!
 
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The results are all the same for that benchmark. Just like I said with the regular settings. :|
 
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I just ran a 3DMark11 test. Can you tell me what the problem might be, based on this result? Judging from the score comparison to other similar systems, it seems to be normal...

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6389719

 
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Yes look at the OLD I7-2600K intel processor scores here :http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6180353
With the same GPU and you will notice a huge difference in scores.
The 6 cores did not matter a whole lot, and the I7 was more power efficient.
 
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Sounds about right. I did some research on i7 cores and I will probably be upgrading the mobo and CPU to one that has PCIE 3.0 as the standard. That should, hopefully, resolve most of the problems I'm having. :)

However, I do not have a lot of money atm, so I have to wait. :(
 
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