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April 15, 2013 10:22:19 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: This Week

Budget Range: About $1400

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Web Surfing

Are you buying a monitor: Yes



Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers, Hard Drive (re-using)

Location: Menomonie, Wisconsin

Parts Preferences: Intel CPU

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Your Monitor Resolution: Upgrading monitor, need: 1920x1080 fast response time. I would like something that has decent colors and lower input lag. I play games like WoW and Guild Wars 2. If I have to sacrifice in an area, let me know.

Additional Comments: I want my PC to have great air flow for cooling. As stated above, I play games like WoW and GW2. I'm pretty picky when it comes to how my graphics perform.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Right now I'm having serious trouble playing any game. There are bad artifacts and lagging in my graphics. It's very annoying... Just like a new build and being that I have the money... :ange: 

Here is what I have picked out so far:

CPU :
Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO :
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:
CORSAIR Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML16GX3M2A1600C10
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU:
CORSAIR HX Series HX750 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CASE:
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN3-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0 and Black Interior
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU:
MSI N660TI PE 2GD5 GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Any Choices can be changed to get the best price and best performing hardware.
Thank you all for your time and suggestions! :ouch: 

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April 15, 2013 10:41:31 AM

Your build isn't bad, but there are some things you can do to maximize your budget.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($220.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($36.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Agility 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($369.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($134.38 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1372.27
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-15 13:43 EDT-0400)

Wasn't sure if you already have an SSD, so I included one. The case I chose is a quiet case that still performs very well for cooling. You still have the budget to swap it to something more to your liking however. I am going to include another breakdown of parts if you are ok with using multiple online vendors.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($62.68 @ NCIX US)
Storage: OCZ Agility 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($101.04 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($369.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1300.61
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-15 13:46 EDT-0400)

On both builds there are a plethora of MiR's, so I apologize for that.
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April 15, 2013 10:51:28 AM

A reasonable list, but I have some suggestions:

1. Few games use more than 2-3 cores, so the extra hyperthreads of the 3770K will hardly be used. Spend the $100 difference elsewhere.
2. Ram is cheap, I can't argue against 16gb. But, no game will use more than 2-3gb by itself. If you are not doing heavy multitasking, 8gb is plenty.
3. A GTX660ti is a great card. It needs only a 450W psu.
I prefer graphics cards that have direct exhaust cooling. They get heat out of the case quickly. Coolers like the msi are good at getting heat off of the gpu, but then dump it back into the case where case cooling has to deal with it.
That heats up both the gpu and cpu cooling air. Not good.
Here is a EVGA unit for about the same price, but with a higher boost clock:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
4. Why not use a less expensive M-ATX motherboard?
Here is one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
5. Do not sacrifice in the monitor area. A great monitor will be with you for several builds.
I would spend a bit more for one with a ips panel and 178/178 viewing angle.
Something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
6. With your budget, I urge you to add a 120gb SSD for the os and a handful of games. It is the best performance upgrade you can make. Defer on the hard drive if necessary.
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April 15, 2013 11:30:21 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.49 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.18 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($382.38 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VH238H 23.0" Monitor ($155.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1376.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-15 14:26 EDT-0400)

Added a good quality monitor. You don't need an i7 for most games, and WoW doesn't need that kind of power. Added an SSD also, plus the a good GPU.
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April 15, 2013 11:31:50 AM

Swordkd said:
Your build isn't bad, but there are some things you can do to maximize your budget.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($220.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($36.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Agility 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($369.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($134.38 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1372.27
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-15 13:43 EDT-0400)

Wasn't sure if you already have an SSD, so I included one. The case I chose is a quiet case that still performs very well for cooling. You still have the budget to swap it to something more to your liking however. I am going to include another breakdown of parts if you are ok with using multiple online vendors.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($62.68 @ NCIX US)
Storage: OCZ Agility 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($101.04 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($369.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1300.61
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-15 13:46 EDT-0400)

On both builds there are a plethora of MiR's, so I apologize for that.


Thank you! I just have a couple questions:

Why would you go with the ASUS MOBO over the ASRock?

Also, I noticed that the i5-3570k doesn't have hyperthreading. Will this be an issue?

Any reason why you would choose the Radeon HD 7970 over the 660ti or 670? I've actually not been having very good luck with AMD lately... :pfff: 

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April 15, 2013 11:40:48 AM

Here is what I think you should get

Noctua cpu cooler-
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=42819&vpn=NH-U12P%20SE...

A different and newer case that lets you grow even more over time- the CM Storm Trooper
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keep the motherboard in your first post it is a nice feature rich board.

Intel 3570k because you could spend that extra $100 better else where. $220 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 Low profile and the RED ones because they are $10 cheaper for some reason.- $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Windows 7 pro because you have the option of having more than 16gb of ram -$135
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45275&vpn=FQC-04649&ma...

Monitor is a SAMSUNG B350 Series S24B350HL Transparent Red 23.6" 2ms GTG because I really like my Samsung and haven't had any problem with it. $250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Grand total about $1500 sorry I'm over budget.

And if you want to spend more get a SSD > this one SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD256BW 2.5" 512GB, About $475...might be cheaper elsewhere?
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77220
Good review on the SSD
http://thessdreview.com/our-reviews/samsung-840-pro-512...

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April 15, 2013 11:58:36 AM

I've used Msi, Asus, Gigabyte and Ecs motherboards before, and I just plain prefer Asus over everything. Asrock started out as a subsidiary of Asus, charged with building better budget boards. The Asrock extreme 4 and Asus board I linked will perform about the same, the Asus is just a tad cheaper.

Games don't take advantage of Hyperthreading, so no loss there. The 7970 is the best single card out right now for gaming(not counting the Titan). If you want to stick with nVidia, I'd recommend a 670 board. It's just a little slower than a 680 for quite a bit less money(the extra money isn't worth the performance increase). Your budget allows for a better video card than what you had listed, but the 660ti isn't a bad card at all.
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April 16, 2013 9:30:11 AM

Swordkd said:
I've used Msi, Asus, Gigabyte and Ecs motherboards before, and I just plain prefer Asus over everything. Asrock started out as a subsidiary of Asus, charged with building better budget boards. The Asrock extreme 4 and Asus board I linked will perform about the same, the Asus is just a tad cheaper.

Games don't take advantage of Hyperthreading, so no loss there. The 7970 is the best single card out right now for gaming(not counting the Titan). If you want to stick with nVidia, I'd recommend a 670 board. It's just a little slower than a 680 for quite a bit less money(the extra money isn't worth the performance increase). Your budget allows for a better video card than what you had listed, but the 660ti isn't a bad card at all.


What do you think about this monitor?

ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD 3D Monitor Height&pivot adjustable 350 cd/m2 80,000,000:1 Built-in Speakers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 16, 2013 11:17:26 AM

Reviews on newegg seem kinda mixed. If you are willing to spend that much money on a monitor, I'd look for an IPS monitor with low response time. Granted, I'm gaming on a cheap Acer 23 inch, so regardless that monitor would be an upgrade over mine. Look for reviews online maybe for a better answer.
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