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April 16, 2013 7:30:35 AM

Hi All,

i have seen this issue numerous times and have not found any solution.

issue:
The performance of Batman Arkham city in DX11 have been dreadfull to say the least.
When i benchmark ingame i get these results:

minimum fps: 2
max fps: 40


My system:

Motherboard:
Asus Sabertooth X58

Processor:
Intel Core i7 950 @ stock 3,07Ghz

Internal memory:
12GB DDR3 tripple channel ram

Graphic:
Asus Geforce GTX Titan

Sound:
Asus Xonar Essence STX


I know there are many people with the same problem..... when i see benchmarks online i see results like max fps 100+.
Does anyone know whats going on and/or knows a solution?

Kind regards,
Martijn
April 16, 2013 7:44:26 AM

I think your cpu bottlenecks your gpu and your motherboard is not good for your gpu so you can change your motherboard to a z77 and buy a more powerful cpu to see the maximum power of your gtx titan
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April 16, 2013 7:45:58 AM

Games master said:
I think your cpu bottlenecks your gpu and your motherboard is not good for your gpu so you can change your motherboard to a z77 and buy a more powerful cpu to see the maximum power of your gtx titan


Not this at all.

Sorry I do not have advice but I can assure you this isn't it at all.
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April 16, 2013 7:48:12 AM

Games master said:
I think your cpu bottlenecks your gpu and your motherboard is not good for your gpu so you can change your motherboard to a z77 and buy a more powerful cpu to see the maximum power of your gtx titan


Thanks for the tip Games master, actually i was thinking about doing an upgrade and/or overclocking my CPU.
Whats keeping me from doing it is that ive seen many benchmarks about CPU's and all i can see are just a few more FPS in many of todays games so it didnt really justify an upgrade for me.

What are your thoughts?

btw, thanks for the help.
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April 16, 2013 7:50:29 AM

spentshells said:

Not this at all.

Sorry I do not have advice but I can assure you this isn't it at all.


Thanks, according to many benchmarks i didnt see a difference also with CPU performance but still i wonder why some people with 670 and/or 680's do get a good FPS in DX11 allthough many experience the same problems.

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April 16, 2013 7:53:10 AM

Games master said:
I think your cpu bottlenecks your gpu and your motherboard is not good for your gpu so you can change your motherboard to a z77 and buy a more powerful cpu to see the maximum power of your gtx titan


The CPU doesn't bottleneck the GPU that much at all as exhibited in this article (look at the bottom of the page it's explained):
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_titan_...

It might be the drivers just aren't there yet. Are you using the same drivers they used in the reviews you saw? Or something released thereafter?
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April 16, 2013 8:01:16 AM

ubercake said:

The CPU doesn't bottleneck the GPU that much at all as exhibited in this article (look at the bottom of the page it's explained):
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_titan_...

It might be the drivers just aren't there yet. Are you using the same drivers they used in the reviews you saw? Or something released thereafter?


At the moment im using the latest drivers (314.22) which are also used in most benchmarks sinds the Titan sort of "recently" came out.

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April 16, 2013 8:02:30 AM

So I think you should change your motherboard because it supports pci-e 2 and your gpu is pci-e 3
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April 16, 2013 8:19:57 AM

At higher framerates, a ton of information is passed through the PCI-E interface as the GPU calls on the processor to fetch more frames. This potentially causes a lower bandwidth PCI-E bus to become saturated. At higher resolutions and image quality settings the GPU becomes the bottleneck so it calls for less frames from the CPU, leading to the PCI-E interface being less of a determining factor in overall performance.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

a gtx 690 will not bottleneck a pci-e 2 interface. skyrim will if you run it at 200 fps but even then it is only minor and does not matter since it is over 60 fps. According to the article this saturation of the pci-e interface happens because the cpu processes large graphics batch files and those files fill the pci-e lane. I guess that even if the resolution is twice as high it is still not as demanding as pushing triple the fps at a lower resolution, it is always more difficult to process data than it is to transport it.
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April 16, 2013 8:26:45 AM

Games master said:
So I think you should change your motherboard because it supports pci-e 2 and your gpu is pci-e 3


Also wrong as the bandwidth provided by PCIE 2 is more than enough for a gtx 590 which is about as powerful as the titan

GM you are giving poor advice.
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April 16, 2013 8:31:07 AM

spentshells said:
Games master said:
So I think you should change your motherboard because it supports pci-e 2 and your gpu is pci-e 3


Also wrong as the bandwidth provided by PCIE 2 is more than enough for a gtx 590 which is about as powerful as the titan

GM you are giving poor advice.


So fuck me
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April 16, 2013 8:56:22 AM

Thanks for all your reply's buds!

I think the PCI-e 2.0 vs 3.0 did kind justify an upgrade for me allthough im not expecting to solve any issues and/or make a huge difference when i see those benchmarks.

Maybe it will solve my Batman issue if its something else in my setup thats causing this.

Many thanks for your great reply's!

I will do a post about some advice on my upgrade needs sinds else this topic gets a little bit off-topic :) 

Again, many thanks!
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April 16, 2013 9:07:10 AM

What power supply do you have an how old is it?
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April 16, 2013 9:11:10 AM

Games master said:
spentshells said:
Games master said:
So I think you should change your motherboard because it supports pci-e 2 and your gpu is pci-e 3


Also wrong as the bandwidth provided by PCIE 2 is more than enough for a gtx 590 which is about as powerful as the titan

GM you are giving poor advice.


So fuck me


totally
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April 16, 2013 9:11:38 AM

martijn397 said:
What power supply do you have an how old is it?


Its a Corsair AX850, do you think this might be the problem?

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April 16, 2013 9:17:54 AM

martijn397 said:
martijn397 said:
What power supply do you have an how old is it?


Its a Corsair AX850, do you think this might be the problem?



no that is plenty of power for that card.
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April 16, 2013 9:21:38 AM

nope that is more than good, I would have to assume than that the bottleneck is the hdd.
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April 16, 2013 9:46:04 AM

spentshells said:
Games master said:
So I think you should change your motherboard because it supports pci-e 2 and your gpu is pci-e 3


Also wrong as the bandwidth provided by PCIE 2 is more than enough for a gtx 590 which is about as powerful as the titan

GM you are giving poor advice.


This is true. 16 lanes of PCIe 2.0 have the same bandwidth as 8 lanes of PCIe3.

The CPU, not the PCIe bus is barely a bottleneck on the poster's system and primarily at lower resolutions. The PCIe bus on his system is not a bottleneck with any current gen card.
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April 16, 2013 10:29:23 AM

Uninstall drivers
confirm no other graphics drivers are installed
reboot
reinstall drivers
make sure the power connectors are not loose
try another pcie connector on the PSU
try the card in another system

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April 16, 2013 10:45:45 AM

I think it is just a buggy game in dx11. I would only do the drivers and swap cards in a worst case scenario.
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April 16, 2013 12:54:35 PM

All other games like Crysis 3 and such are running just as benchmarked on other systems so i was thinking more like a game related issue.
Im also running on a Revodrive X2, maybe there are some driver issues with this sinds its not exactly "your standard HDD/SSD".

Im now gonna try this solution in mentioned on another forum:
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1509605&mpage=1

Ill post back :) 
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April 16, 2013 1:33:35 PM

So i've just tried this solution:
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1509605&mpage=1

and it works like a charm! i suppose its a game bug after all :)  Thanks goodness!

I am still convinced i need to upgrade more in my system though so i will be asking for advice this week probably!

Many thanks for the help guys!
You are fantastic!

Kind regards,
Martijn
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April 17, 2013 2:56:54 AM

fkr said:
good to see everything is working.

also if you want to see if your cpu is a bottleneck then start overclocking it. if you overclock and do not get more fps then your cpu is not a bottleneck.

http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/458/bench/CPU_...


Thanks for the tip.

I actually did try to overclock it a bit and set it to 3.8GHz but it got far too hot (on 90 celcius within 10 seconds) when stress testing!
Im already around 50-55 celcius on idle so there's not much room i believe.

I'm using a Fractal design R3 chassis with a Scythe mugen rev.b (with a coolermaster katana fan) on the CPU.

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April 17, 2013 12:55:25 PM

those temps are way off. here is a toms hardware review and comparison of your cooler and mine.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lga-1156-heatsink,2...
i run a hyper 212 on my i5 2500k @ 4.62 MHz. idle 26-32C prime 95 63-68C all depending on ambient temps this runs at 1.42 Vcore (thats a pretty aggressive Vcore). your cooler is better than mine and you shoould expect similiar results. my case is a haf 912 with a similiar fan set up as your case also. This leads me to believe you need to reseat your cooler or make sure that your cooler is well positioned since it slides or adjusts.
with your i7 950 you should easily hit 3.8 with no voltage bump and with a little extra voltage a 4.0- 4.5 should be easily within reach. If you are really considering upgrading your motherboard and CPU I would push your current rig first. Also when considering an upgrade I want you to know that we are at the end of the ddr3 ram era and within a year we will be moving up to ddr4. I personally am waiting to upgrade from my p8z68-v/gen3 asus board till this next gen tech comes out. I hate jumping into old tech.
also look at this heirarchy chart for CPU
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...
since you are at the top of tier three a solid overclock will take you to the next level
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April 17, 2013 1:30:15 PM

Wow those are some nice temps your getting! totally different from mine.

i was kinda thinking that i did not have enough fans in my Fractal R3 which makes the ambient temprature really high. At the moment i only have 2 fans in the front and 1 in the back, i still have room for more fans though (1 side, 1 bottom, 2 top) but i like my stuff to be whisper quiet :) 

When i check CPU-Z it says my core speed is 3200 Mhz with a core voltage of 1.27V when stress testing which is kinda weird sinds i did not change anything in the bios. Currently my idle temp is 50 Celcius using Realtemp. I do use the quiet Q-fan/Smart-fan setting but it doesnt make much of a difference when i put it on turbo or standard.

Kind regards,
Martijn
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April 17, 2013 2:46:55 PM

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-92...
I only read that page and the voltage page but it seems a pretty good review/guide. The only difference between this and a 950 is the multiplier.
A collection of guides at this link
http://www.overclock.net/t/845674/i7-950-good-oc-guide

this is your owners manual: section 3.5 shows the AI overclock tuner (auto)
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1366/Sabertooth_...
asus puts some auto overclocking into their boards maybe that is why you are over the stock 3.06
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April 18, 2013 2:55:13 AM

That seems like a good guide for overclocking. The only thing i've tried with overclocking last week was changing some auto overclock setting (which is provided by asus) in my bios which made my i7 950 run at 3.7GHz and changing the voltage to 1.45v. I guess the 1.45v made the temperatures jump that high. Actually i had no idea you could get such high clock speeds by just changing the multiplier and not raising the voltage so much.

Im gonna try to overclock using that guide when i get home tonight and let you know my results!

Thanks a bunch mate!

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April 18, 2013 9:34:57 AM

drivers updated ? you specs look fine to me !
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April 18, 2013 12:24:36 PM

Yeah all drivers are updated :) 

Oke so i've tried to overclock according to those guides. the outcome: my temps just seem to be too high to start with... as soon as i overclock my CPU (D0 revision) to 3.8 or 4.0 (which runs stable at 1.25 - 1.3 vcore) my temps rise to idle: 55-60 celcius and 90 celcius on load.

It might be that my CPU cooler is not placed correctly on my CPU or my case just doesnt have enough fans.... i have no idea. I'm just thinking more and more about an upgrade and be more carefull when putting everything together. Also i think im gonna get some better chassis and watercooling for the CPU.

I've seriously tried but its all in vain :) 

Thanks a bunch for the support!! ill be doing a post on the upgrade soon... meanwhile ill just run stock (or the stock overclock to 3.2GHz its doing at least :) ) again, many many thanks!
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