Is a dual radiator really neccesarry for a cpu liquid cooling solution.

phillipskid32 · Apr 17, 2013

I recently bought a corsair h50 liquid cpu cooler, and noticed that my temperatures rarely reach above 46C (with 2500k oc'd to 3.9Ghz) that's down from the 70C that it would hover around with the stock cooler and voltage. The h50 is a single fan single radiator component, are the benefits that big with a dual radiator system?

DarkSable · Apr 17, 2013

Well, keep in mind that the 'Fisher-Price' all-in-ones aren't going to perform NEARLY as well as real watercooling, and that the H50 is on the low end of even the prefabs.

With something like the H100i, you have twice the surface area dissipating heat. Of course it's going to be better. That being said, your temperatures are fine, especially with such a modest overclock as you have.

kitsunestarwind · Apr 17, 2013

As the overclock gets higher the heat generated becomes more and more , till it gets to the point where even a tiny bit more overclock is a lot more heat, at this point you need more cooling power to make even little gains

edogawa · Apr 17, 2013

What DarkSable said is correct, but there is no need to buy anything better, you're temperatures sound fine if that is 46 while gaming.

phillipskid32 · Apr 17, 2013

DarkSable :

I mostly just tinker around with overclocking my cpu and really only got the h50 because it was low profile and my ram is high profile, That being said what kind of temperatures could I expect if I (eventually) upgraded to an H100i, and how far would it let me push my cpu.

edogawa · Apr 17, 2013

I have the H100, and I idle 21-24C depending on ambient, and never exceed mid 40's running prime95 or Intel burnt test for hours.

I am overclocked to 4.2ghz only, and under volting, but before under volt it's about 10-15c higher than what I have now.

So expect similar for your processor, but a bit better with the H100i.

ihog · Apr 17, 2013

edogawa :

Dude, you must have a freezing room.

edogawa · Apr 17, 2013

ihog :

Haha! I wish, southern California is warm. It's like around 70F right now.

phillipskid32 · Apr 17, 2013

Could i just get a new double fan radiator and a pump and keep the cooler, or should I go with a new cooler when I decide to upgrade?

edogawa · Apr 17, 2013

phillipskid32 :

Why would you want to upgrade? You're temperatures are fine sounding. Get a new CPU cooler when you upgrade your system again.

DarkSable · Apr 17, 2013

phillipskid32 :

Why do either? Your temperatures are just fine right now - if you upgrade in the future, the chip you upgrade to will be MORE energy-efficient, and thus will give off less heat.

Why do you want to upgrade? It kinda sounds like you've got money burning a hole in your pocket and want an excuse to spend it. I know that feeling real well, especially when it comes to computers, and I can tell you that in this case it's a bad idea, as you won't be able to sell a used, prebuilt, low-end watercooler.

phillipskid32 · Apr 17, 2013

edogawa :

I want to get higher overclocks is the main reason. I also like new stuff.

edogawa · Apr 17, 2013

Well, let me put it this way, this will be your best route:

Overclock to 4.2-4.5ghz, if you're temperatures are below 60c on prime95 load then you're good to go.

Buy an H100i or H80i if you want to burn money for 4.5ghz which won't benefit you that much.

You should save the cash for a new GPU in future as it will be A LOT more beneficial for gaming then a couple hundred mhz.

DarkSable · Apr 17, 2013

You can easily go up to 4.5GHz with that chip and that cooler - as long as you're below 65 on 100% load, then you're JUST fine.

Like edo said, there's no point upgrading your cooler when yours is sufficient, when you get infinitely more benefit from upgrades elsewhere.

If you DO upgrade your cooling, going to another 'Fisher-Price' cooler is about the worst thing you could possibly do. Save up and get a real water-cooling loop, and you'll actually get performance, along with reliability and the option to expand.

phillipskid32 · Apr 17, 2013

edogawa :

I actually just burnt money on new gpu's, sli'd 660ti's(not super impressive, but they get the job done). I should also note that I do a lot of video rendering, editing, ect... and want to get the most out of my processor(I'll eventually upgrade it to an ivy bridge, but want a good system in place for when I do)

edogawa · Apr 17, 2013

DarkSable :

I actually highly disagree with getting a real water-cooling loop unless you're doing an extreme system with very heavy overclocking and 3-4 graphics cards. 4.7-5.0.

Custom water cooling is becoming less relevant every year, hardware is getting more power efficient, and better. An all in will do 4.5ghz easily and stay cool. As cool as a custom loop is, it's unnecessary unless you're into for the look and fun of it.

edogawa · Apr 17, 2013

Haswell will be out soon so you can upgrade to one of the new i7s, and get a better all in one.

phillipskid32 · Apr 17, 2013

DarkSable :

thanks, that's what I wanted to know. As far as upgrades go though, I've upgraded just about every aspect of my computer other then cooling(besides case fans), and I could in fact almost build a new system with leftover parts.

DarkSable · Apr 17, 2013

edogawa :

I disagree, for two reasons. One, it's much, MUCH more reliable than a closed-loop cooler, and two, the ability to expand, even just to a graphics card, is worth it to me. The other benefit is noise - closed-loop coolers are just as noisy as air coolers with decent fans are, and done right, watercooling is virtually noiseless.

phillipskid32 · Apr 17, 2013

edogawa :

True, but are they compatible with 1155 sockets. I haven't read much about Haswell yet, so forgive the "noobish" question.

DarkSable · Apr 17, 2013

edogawa :

How is that a better option?

Presuming that the OP isn't doing number crunching, then getting an i7 over an i5 isn't really worth the money, and upgrading to a better all in one still leaves him with an all in one. If you took the money for an i7-4770k and an H100i, it would buy an i5-4570k and a XPSC watercooling kit and would get him better performance for the same price.

(And phillips, that's a sign you've been caught; I probably have a few computers' worth of spare parts around the place, including two and a half cases.)

DarkSable · Apr 17, 2013

phillipskid32 :

They will not be, no - they will be using the 1150 socket, and won't be back-compatible.

edogawa · Apr 17, 2013

DarkSable :

Reliability wise that's in the air, I've never had an issue with my H100, all in ones are becoming better and better too.

I agree on the noise factor, but it's not a huge deal. My PCS are almost completely silent except for the heat sinks, but I have those on maximum speed.

As I said though, it should be for extreme systems only, really no reason to do it unless your doing heavy overclocking and 3 or 4 graphics cards.

edogawa · Apr 17, 2013

DarkSable :

edogawa :

How is that a better option?

Presuming that the OP isn't doing number crunching, then getting an i7 over an i5 isn't really worth the money, and upgrading to a better all in one still leaves him with an all in one. If you took the money for an i7-4770k and an H100i, it would buy an i5-4570k and a XPSC watercooling kit and would get him better performance for the same price.

(And phillips, that's a sign you've been caught; I probably have a few computers' worth of spare parts around the place, including two and a half cases.)

But he is doing video editing/rendering he said, and overclocking may be better with the new haswell processors.

phillipskid32 · Apr 17, 2013

DarkSable :

edogawa :

How is that a better option?

Presuming that the OP isn't doing number crunching, then getting an i7 over an i5 isn't really worth the money, and upgrading to a better all in one still leaves him with an all in one. If you took the money for an i7-4770k and an H100i, it would buy an i5-4570k and a XPSC watercooling kit and would get him better performance for the same price.

(And phillips, that's a sign you've been caught; I probably have a few computers' worth of spare parts around the place, including two and a half cases.)

And a half. how does that happen?

Is a dual radiator really neccesarry for a cpu liquid cooling solution.

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