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Yiurp

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Greetings and salutations TH Experts. I have a build below that I was putting together for the above mentioned reason. To answer some of your questions before hand:

Yes, I will be doing heavy handed 3D Modeling.
Yes, Money is not an issue (As you can see).
Yes, I know nothing of Liquid cooling, so please advise!!
Yes, criticize to your hearts content. What can I improve/change? What looks stupid? What's wrong? Comment below, let me know!

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 12g Thermal Paste ($15.08 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P9X79 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($462.47 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Red 3TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($144.99 @ NCIX US) X 3
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX Titan 6GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($1006.13 @ Newegg) X 2
Video Card: NVIDIA Quadro K5000 4GB (1,752.36 @ Amazon)
Sound Card: HT Omega Claro Halo XT 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 900D ATX Full Tower Case ($335.53 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Edition (2-Pack) 37.9 CFM 120mm Fans ($27.99 @ Amazon) X 2
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF140 Quiet Edition 67.8 CFM 140mm Fan ($18.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 1200W 80 PLUS Platinum Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($299.99 @ Microcenter)

Total:■ $6677.58
 

arossetti

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That's a beast of a system! If you are going to be doing intense 3D modeling and other intensive stuff, you may consider more memory. If money isn't a problem then I'd max that out. You should be able to put at least 32 GB, if not 64 GB on the Mobo. With that you could create a really large RAM disk which would help speed up file manipulation.

Also, if you are worried about fan noise then I'd look at Cougars. They are absolutely the quietest fans I've ever used. TH has a review I think.
 

_Brute_Force_

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Never thought I'd say this, but the SSD seems to be the bottleneck in this build, if money is not an issue, throw a couple of SSDs in RAID 0 and watch the magic!

now one more thing that's worth mentioning, I like how you chose a RED HDD, but personally I'd step it up to RE4 or RE Enterprise drive, 24/7 reliability and higher speeds, check them out!
 

Nikolay Savov

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Great Build :)

I will make some changes :
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Niksavoy/saved/1udi
Storage:
- you can decide to use one SSD for OS + Apps and the other for GAMES install dest.
- or you can use them in RAID 0 - if you get equal 2 x - linear R/W will increase almost 2 x but random seek will suffer (less than single drive by X %)
I got 1 Revo for OS and 1 Samsung for Games install folder ( in my part list specs )
2 x 3Tb for storage - you can go for RAID 1 for redundancy and add extra drives to
( or you can do 4 x 3 Tb in RAID 10 - two RAID 0 in redundancy RAID 1 )

What you prefer is up to apps you gonna use - you speak of 3D modeling and you have Quadro K5000 in you specs - if you apps are more linear read & write you know what to do :)

On other hand you can have way to better Storage Solutions - regardless the price cap :)
OCZ Revo Drive is one interesting option ....... or maybe 2 of them :)
http://ocz.com/consumer/revodrive-3-x2-pcie-ssd
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1645/4/

There are also 4 way SLI Mobos why to stop there on 2 Way ....
But i have 1x Revo drive and 1x PNY Quadro 6000 6GB in my specs and there is no room for 4 Way SLI :)

Are there Quadro better than 4 Way SLI - for CAD ?
Quadro have better driver compatibility and they got Certified for CAD but is hard to see - for my not Pro CAD user - the difference.
So one option is to stay 2 Way SLI + PNY Quadro 6000 6GB
The other is to go for 4 Way SLI * and skip Quadro GPU

Also you can consider Eyfiniti Setup and AMD GPU`s !
The new Eyefiniti 2.0 offers even 3x 3D HD monitors support :)

What ever you end up i`v love to see this system benchmark :)

* - keep on mind using Revo Drive 3 - occupies one 1 x PCIe port and maybe will mess with the 4 way SLI
** - also PNY Quadro 6000 6GB Video Card adds 200W more - it`s cannot be add in specs chart and total power is less shown
 

Yiurp

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I really liked your suggestions! So much so I decided to add your changes in my build. Let me know if there is anything else. I'll post the updated build below.

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Yiurp

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Brute Force,

Thanks for taking the time to review my build. I looked into your idea of having a raid 0 ssd setup and implemented it. Let me know what you think. Secondly, I've previously looked into the Enterprise drives, but for this build I will have to decline the use. Why you ask? Because I'm going to use those in my 24 Bay raid setup!!! Tehe!! lol

Thank you for your sage advice

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Yiurp

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Wow! Lots of info. ok. First, I like your name. Second, I like your raid ssd setup. I'll combine that with Brute Force's idea. Third, I've looked into the revo drives plenty of times before, but alas I'll have to decline. I was looking more along the lines of http://www.fusionio.com/products/iodrive-octal/. Yup, I'm a thinkin business level for a different project I have going on for this baby.

Quadro are better when it comes to 2D/3D/Simulation/CAD modeling and rendering, because they are specifically designed for these applications/tasks, not for gaming. That is why I'm getting the GTX Titan. So I can test the games on a consumer GPU. Don't get me wrong. Consumer GPU's work but nowhere near a Quadro.

Hope that helps and Thank you very much for your input!!!

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Gammyduck

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Thats a massive budget, I'd like to see pictures of it when youre done :)
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Nikolay Savov

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About Liquid cooling:
Water have better thermal outtake. The rest is like in the cars :)
- liquid circulates trough radiator and fan is cooling the radiator
This combined with only 1-2 fan`s and gives you better cooling and lower temp and less FANS and silent system - you can make liquid conversion of you CPU and VGA
check on this :
http://www.arctic.ac/en/p/cooling/vga/569/accelero-hybrid.html
OFC if you have 2 way SLI you have to consider where you put all radiators - 3 x total :)

About the storage :
I see you prefer samsung in RAID 0 - again the random seek times are lower than single SSD

And about the ioDrive Octal - i`t supports only Server ver. of Windows - 64-bit Windows Server 2012, Windows Server 2008 R2, Windows Server 2008, Windows Server 2003

Good luck!
 
Yiurp,

Given the very high level of performance possible with this kind of budget- and the high level and expense of wasted opportunities possible, I believe that you would have better advice on this forum if you would list the applications you use and their priority. The priority of use is especially important as a computer refined for 3M modeling, graphics, and/or rendering will not be also optimal for games and vice versa. Of course you are also free to stay with your previous decisions/ choices.

My questions arise from the rather odd combination of a CPU that is in my view not up to the aspirations of the system. The i7-3930K CPU with a GTX Titan, Quadro K5000 seems a mismatch as I feel that the CPU is integer weak and the two expensive cards would not be successfully working in parallel as video card / GPU. The GTX Titan is remarkable in it's 3D high frame rates processing power, but if you are using anything from Autodesk (3dsMAX, Revit, Inventor, Maya), Dessault (Catia , Solidworks) or Adobe CS, rendering or video editing you will benefit from using the Quadro K5000 as the graphics card using Quadro partnered drivers in combination- definitely not running GeForce drivers. This could be supported by a GPU such as Tesla C2075 or a second K5000 on SLI as coprocessor, either of which could be added later. I believe it's possible that one K5000 might work surprisingly well and be all that is necessary. Consider this list of NVIDIA GPU accelerated applications and if most of primary work is done on anything on this list, I would suggest considering a pair of K5000's in SLI>

http://www.nvidia.com/object/gpu-accelerated-applications.html

Without knowing more, I would make the Quadro K5000 the primary graphics card, so that Quadro application- tailored drivers that work their magic.

Also, this system should use a fast Xeon 6 or 8 core CPU or 2X 4- core at higher clock rates for double precision and 10-bit color. if you are using Maya or doing heavy rendering, large assemblies in Inventor or Solidworks, animations or simulations with fluids and/or gases, or video editing, you might consider the 2X 4-core Xeons which can have higher clock rates. The other advantage of dual CPU's is that they provide more PCIe X16 rails and moe RAM capacity, such that in addition to the graphics card and co-processing GPU, you can have a pair of RevoDrives in RAID O for OS and Applications, and a PCIe LSI RAID controller running some form of RAID including both striping and mirroring for the data speed and protection, these on large capacity mechanical SATA 6GB/s drives. The drives could be simply a pair of the Fusion I/O Octals, but as a 5.12TB drive costs $94,500 each [ http://www.sabrepc.com/p-2521-fusion-io-fs6-802-640-cs-0001-512tb-iodrive-octal-multi-level-cell.aspx ] these are perhaps not giving the kind of benefit their cost would suggest,...and your system would cost nearly $200,000. As RAID 0 is risky, there would be a pristine system image kept in an archive partition on the data drives. The motherboard should use ECC memory and depending on your applications and how many are run simultaneously, either 32 or 64GB.

I would also encourage you to consider carefully the perfect monitor(s) as integral to this system- as a visual content workstation the monitor is of the utmost importance.

Again, if you can be as specific as possible as to your use priorities, applications, files sizes, and of course budget (I would estimate the kind of machine I've described above at close to $8-9,000). Still, I'm sure the many prolific pundits of 'putin' power around here can work out something of high performance, high reliability, and usable well into the future.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

[Dell Precision T5400 > 2X Xeon X5460 4-core @ 3.16GHz, Quadro FX 4800, 16GB DDR2-667 ECC, WD RE4/Segt 500GB / Win 7 Ult 64 > AutoCad, Revit, Sketchup, Solidworks, Adobe CS4, Corel Technical Designer, WP, Office, MS Office > HP 2711X monitor, 27", 1920 X 1080]
 

Nikolay Savov

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Hi Bambi :)
From you sign. i see you`r CAD PRO :)
I`m just an Consultant and giving advice about the products systems and design specs is part of my job :)
I agree with you !
I also considered " how this gonna work " - Quadro K5000 + 2x NVIDIA Titan in SLI ?
I`v made some research and is possible to run this - the final result is not only one it`s about the owner choise wich one goes Main GPU and the other second ( SLI or QUADRO )
Also the drivers are both installed.
To be honest i have`t test this but i`m about to make even worst scenario - both ATI and NVIDIA cards and i see that is possible.

There are very good Mainboards there - you can have up to 7 x 16PCIe 3.0 - MSI Big Bang - XPower II XL ATX LGA2011 - http://www.msi.com/product/mb/Big-Bang-XPower-II.html#/?div=Overview
- i`v removed this one from my System Build that i posted coz the Revo drive need 1xPCIe x 1
My point is that there are very good mobos for optimal solution :
2 x NVIDIA Titan SLI for GAMING and
2 x NVIDIA Quadro SLI for 3D Modeling , CAD etc.

I`m totally agree on REVO drives - but i see Yiurp save more taste for SAMSUNG 840 RAID 0 - that i also favor :)
I`m almost sure that you can use 1xPCIe Revo Drive in 16xPCIe slot - i`m still checking .... any one can help on this !
So having 7 x 16PCIe will do the magic :)
and my winner is :
2 x NVIDIA Titan SLI for GAMING and
2 x NVIDIA Quadro SLI for 3D Modeling , CAD etc. and
2 x REVO DRIVE 3 X2 in RAID 0

And i agree ..... on this specs maybe the Bottleneck will be the CPU omg :)
And coz there are lac of Dual CPU Mobos in http://pcpartpicker.com there you go my FINAL WINNER :)

ASUS Z9PE-D8 WS - Dual Intel® Socket LGA 2011/C602 chipset https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z9PED8_WS/#overview
2x Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-2690 - http://ark.intel.com/products/64596/
2x Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory - per CPU - 64Gb total
2 x NVIDIA Titan SLI for GAMING and
2 x NVIDIA Quadro SLI for 3D Modeling , CAD etc. and
2 x REVO DRIVE 3 X2 in RAID 0 ( if can be add in 16x or 8x PCIe - assume yes for now )

Now i` like the final spec`s and what about you Yiurp ?

Edit: I see few TH treats that 1xPCIe card will work on 16x and 8x PCIe slot - as i think it will :)
 
Nikolay Savov,

I like very much your ambitious system for our friend Yiurp >

"" ASUS Z9PE-D8 WS - Dual Intel® Socket LGA 2011/C602 chipset https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z9PED8_WS/#overview
2x Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-2690 - http://ark.intel.com/products/64596/
2x Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory - per CPU - 64Gb total
2 x NVIDIA Titan SLI for GAMING and
2 x NVIDIA Quadro SLI for 3D Modeling , CAD etc. and
2 x REVO DRIVE 3 X2 in RAID 0 ( if can be add in 16x or 8x PCIe - assume yes for now )

Edit: I see few TH treats that 1xPCIe card will work on 16x and 8x PCIe slot - as i think it will :) ""

> The ASUS Z9PE-D8 WS motherboard is one I hadn't seen before. There are several 7X PCIe x16 slot motherboards, thanks to the dual CPU's. 1.> The slots of the Z9PE-D8 are wired > 4 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (dual x16 or quad x8) / 2 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 / 1 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x8 mode) , which if I'm reading it correctly means that there are 4X- x16 slots and 3X -x8. As the Revodrive uses PCIe x4, and you can plug any PCIe into any x16 slot, that should work. However, 2.> However, as the 2- Titans and 2- Quadro K5000's are all dual height cards, to me the spacing of the slots on the ASUS board appear a bit too close together (?). This may a candidate to have a separate chassis that adds PCIe slots.

The E5-2690 CPU is a good one, 8-cores @ 2.9/3.8 GHz with 20MB cache and rated No. 3 on Passmark CPU benchmarks. There is also the E5-2687W also 8 core, with a slightly higher clock speed of 3.1/3.8 and slightly higher power- 150W as compared to 135W. The E5-2687W is rated No.2. As they are both about $1,950, one might consider the E5-2687W. These two Xeons remind me of the strange i7-3960X and i7-3970X relationship where the two CPU's are almost exactly the same configuration and price but one uses more power to have a very slight speed boost. I suppose it's a cheap way for Intel to have another product. In any event 2X 8 core Xeons would make an amazing fluid, smoke, thermal, structural, particle simulation or rendering machine!

The RevoDrive 3 X2 appears on many of the highest rated systems on the Passmark Performance Test - they must be amazingly fast. Whereas my Dell Precision T5400 with mechanical drives has a Passmark disk score of 924, there is a system using RevoDrive 3 X2 (unknown number or RAID) with a score of 30,051! Those are PCIe x4 and will plug into the PCIe x16 slots wired as x8.

What would you suggest for monitor(s) ?

Really, more of a "PS"- Personal Supercomputer- than PC. And just think- 32 threads and 8,448 CUDA cores! Suddenly my Precision T5400 seems weak and elderly- only 8 threads and 192 cores.

Cheers,

BambiBoom
 

Nikolay Savov

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Thank You :)
For the kind words.

I just found recent review of 6 monitors - i think is more than a personal taste there so i`ll leave it up to Yiurp .
But can`t save myself from saying that 1-st one AOC i2367fh is incredible design ..... only if there was vertical/tilt/swivel adjustment ..... damn :)
http://www.cadalyst.com/2013monitors?page_id=1

About the CPU-s - agree .... E5-2687W looks better .... +1 for you :)
And about the " tight room " in the case ...
All 4 GPU are 2 slot and 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 for GPU and 1 + 1 for REVO`s is 10 PCI back brackets ..... :)
But anything is possible ...... if there is an HIGH PURPOSE :)
I believe that we can work this out !