Help building gaming PC

Willium_Bob_Cole

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So can people help me decide on parts to buy or a custom rig that meets my needs and budget?

I am aiming to spend just over £1000, though I could go as far as £2000 if it was absolutely worth it. I am looking for value, best performance to price possible.

I prefer amd over nvidia morally, as nvidia need to stop trying to monopolise everything! That said, it seems I could USE tressfx on an nvidia system, but not physx on an amd system, which begrudgingly makes me think I may have to go for a nvidia card... borderlands 2 looks like a baws with those physx!

I would probably go for an i7, but not one that shoots the price up unnecessarily.

I think 8GB of ram would be plenty, I could always upgrade later, but if there is a 16GB setup that is decent and cheap/on deal or whatever that would be cool.

Cooling is very important, I have had a couple graphics cards die in the last 5 years due to the fans dying and frying the circuitry, I also need some kind of filter to prevent dust getting in. I would probably need liquid cooling on the CPU, and would LIKE it on GPU but any good graphics cooling solution should work, again, as long as dust can be kept to a minimum.

I would like a larger case but I am also limited for space. My current tower is tiny, everything is cramped in and the wires are a MESS. I would like some kind of guide how to wire a new pc so that cables are well organised but also easily expandable. I want to put in two or three existing hard drives, one of which is my current primary drive, I would possibly get a new hard drive to be my primary if it is possible to clone my current one over to it. I have a 3TB internal drive containing my entire steam library, would just using that (or any other drive for that matter) cause any problems, with the registry or anything?

I would at least need a dvd drive, would go so far as blu ray but it is optional. I don't really know if a dedicated sound card would do anything for me, but if you can get one better than integrated for next to nothing then I shan't say no. Would it be possible to have 4 usb ports on the front? I have only seen cases including my own with two on front, but I frequently have a bluetooth adapter, usb cable for various things such as connecting/charging a controller or two, an apple usb cable, usb memory stick etc plugged in at various configurations. Also a headphone port on the front for night time gaming, though I assume most setups would have that.

Oh, PSU, I imagine 750 would be a good target rating.

Let me know if I have forgotten anything!


TLDR- What is/are the best pc/pc-parts I can get for my money between £1000 and £2000 (lower is better) with regards to power (for now and future), physical size, and cooling efficiency, and what is a good plan, when building one's own pc, regarding cable management, and transferring current files folders settings etc.?

Thanks!
-WBC
 

g-unit1111

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I would at least need a dvd drive, would go so far as blu ray but it is optional. I don't really know if a dedicated sound card would do anything for me, but if you can get one better than integrated for next to nothing then I shan't say no. Would it be possible to have 4 usb ports on the front? I have only seen cases including my own with two on front, but I frequently have a bluetooth adapter, usb cable for various things such as connecting/charging a controller or two, an apple usb cable, usb memory stick etc plugged in at various configurations. Also a headphone port on the front for night time gaming, though I assume most setups would have that.

BD-R isn't really what I would spend money on. The headaches of having a drive far outweigh the conveniences. The software and blank media is expensive. The software doesn't always play movies. And so on. As far as ports on the case most give you two or three at the most but you could definitely add more as needed.

If you're willing to go over £1000 you can definitely get a killer rig:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£167.99 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U9B SE2 37.9 CFM CPU Cooler (£37.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£105.40 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£52.97 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£100.94 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£51.25 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (£310.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case (£89.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: NZXT HALE 90 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£129.99 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£11.13 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£68.39 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1127.01
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-18 19:03 BST+0100)
 

Willium_Bob_Cole

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Thanks for the starting point, that part list site seems really useful, I am just tweaking the stuff myself now see what improvements I can make. I forgot to mention that I have some pretty heavy requirements from time to time. Obviously the primary function is playing games, but I also am studying computer games technology and I want to be more than prepared when we move from unreal to cryengine (or udk4 if it is available any time soon), and as such , I frequently have the engine editor, 3ds max, photoshop with nDo2 and an internet browser all open at once, hence needing more power than the average user, and adequate cooling to keep it all under control. I already have windows 7 home premium 64bit so that is a non issue for me.

Blu ray is optional for me as I mentioned, it would just be nice, not for burning just for watching, I have my pc connected to my tv and I mainly use VLC media player which is pri-tee compatible with everything I've thrown at it thus far.

I think this is closer to my needs, what do you think? http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/Rwh5

It is amazingly tempting to go for 16GB of ram and dual 680s in SLI but that just seems overkill, for the price...

Any tips for cable management and general building tips?
 

g-unit1111

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That's pretty decent. I'm not a fan of In Win in the slightest, there's far better cases you could go with for that kind of money. You don't need the i7 for a gaming rig and the H60 is a waste of money when you could get a Noctua D14 and it outperforms it. The BD-R burner is a waste of money. For the kind of money that you're paying for the GTX 680 you could get a 7970 GHz for the same price and it outperforms the 680 by a mile. 16GB is tempting but not really necessary.

As far as cable management goes if you get a case that has some good cable management it's all pretty straight forward, and if you get a modular power supply you eliminate the rat's nest of wires that come with a non modular PSU.
 

Willium_Bob_Cole

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I currently have quad core i5 which does the job most of the time but rendering complex scenes with physics (both in games and simulations in 3DS max projects etc), it starts to show it's limits and I just want to eliminate that as a bottleneck. Programming and compiling said code and compiling game projects, working on many photoshop layers at a time, all these things I think justify the shift to i7.


fan out performs liquid? never would have thought it, I've just always had problems with temperatures due to dust clogging fans and heatsinks and was looking to make the move to liquid, though I am considering getting an air compressor to help keep things clean inside so maybe it wouldn't be so bad.

7970 would be my other choice, I just don't like the idea of missing out on physx, I've always been mesmerised by cloth physics and tiny interactive details such as paper, dust, rocks, debris, and various particle stuff. It's one that I'm really on the fence about. when you say outperforms by a mile, how far is that mile? Could you link a comparison sheet and/or video?

And OH, THATS why my pc is a mess inside, it is exactly the rats nest you describe and it's one of my biggest gripes with my current pc...
 

g-unit1111

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fan out performs liquid? never would have thought it, I've just always had problems with temperatures due to dust clogging fans and heatsinks and was looking to make the move to liquid, though I am considering getting an air compressor to help keep things clean inside so maybe it wouldn't be so bad.

Yeah read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/h100i-elc240-seidon-240m-lq320,3380.html

7970 would be my other choice, I just don't like the idea of missing out on physx, I've always been mesmerised by cloth physics and tiny interactive details such as paper, dust, rocks, debris, and various particle stuff. It's one that I'm really on the fence about. when you say outperforms by a mile, how far is that mile? Could you link a comparison sheet and/or video?

Pretty far actually by this benchmark: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/555?vs=588