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April 19, 2013 7:00:01 PM

Just as the title says I get a blue screen everytime I open a torrenting program after 15 mins or so has passed. Been putting this off for about a week+ since it isn't that big a deal. I used bluescreen view and located two highlighted items that are causing it and figuring if you can tell me what it is.

hal.dll and ntoskml.exe

The crash is "IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL"
a b $ Windows 7
April 19, 2013 7:04:49 PM

What PSU was installed before and does the issue occur with that PSU?
April 19, 2013 7:11:02 PM

back down.... Run a scandisk /f, then defrag....

try again.. sounds like an incedental issue... could also be RAM
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April 19, 2013 7:20:22 PM

GhislainG said:
What PSU was installed before and does the issue occur with that PSU?


Nope only happens with my new PSU.

Update: I'll find the specific model of my old one in the morning but it was a factory installed one that came with the computer like 4-5 years ago when I got it.
April 19, 2013 7:20:58 PM

corroded said:
back down.... Run a scandisk /f, then defrag....

try again.. sounds like an incedental issue... could also be RAM


I'll do that first thing in the morning...but "back down"?
a b $ Windows 7
April 19, 2013 8:03:09 PM

Cody Sparks said:
GhislainG said:
What PSU was installed before and does the issue occur with that PSU?


Nope only happens with my new PSU.

Update: I'll find the specific model of my old one in the morning but it was a factory installed one that came with the computer like 4-5 years ago when I got it.

The new PSU probably is defective.
April 20, 2013 10:26:04 AM

GhislainG said:
Cody Sparks said:
GhislainG said:
What PSU was installed before and does the issue occur with that PSU?


Nope only happens with my new PSU.

Update: I'll find the specific model of my old one in the morning but it was a factory installed one that came with the computer like 4-5 years ago when I got it.

The new PSU probably is defective.


The PSU works fine for whatever other program I open up except for whenever I open any kind of torrenting program I get a blue sceen like 15 minutes later. Is it an update issue or what?
a b $ Windows 7
April 20, 2013 10:50:24 AM

If the system is stable with the old PSU, then it has to be a new PSU issue. If it occurs with either PSU, then you'll need to figure out why it occurs and that's difficult if you can't swap parts. At a minimum run memory diagnostics (Memtest86+ or Windows 7). It shouldn't be the GPU or the CPU as they aren't that busy when opening a torrent program.
April 20, 2013 6:31:14 PM

GhislainG said:
If the system is stable with the old PSU, then it has to be a new PSU issue. If it occurs with either PSU, then you'll need to figure out why it occurs and that's difficult if you can't swap parts. At a minimum run memory diagnostics (Memtest86+ or Windows 7). It shouldn't be the GPU or the CPU as they aren't that busy when opening a torrent program.


Just did the scan "no memory errors detected". I have no idea why the PSU would blue screen with torrenting programs open.

a b $ Windows 7
April 20, 2013 7:04:16 PM

Cody Sparks said:
GhislainG said:
If the system is stable with the old PSU, then it has to be a new PSU issue. If it occurs with either PSU, then you'll need to figure out why it occurs and that's difficult if you can't swap parts. At a minimum run memory diagnostics (Memtest86+ or Windows 7). It shouldn't be the GPU or the CPU as they aren't that busy when opening a torrent program.


Just did the scan "no memory errors detected". I have no idea why the PSU would blue screen with torrenting programs open.


Neither do I, but if the system works fine with the old PSU and not with the new one, it's difficult not to come to the conclusion that the new PSU is causing the issue. Can you let us know a bit more about your system (old and new PSU, motherboard, CPU, GPU, etc.)
April 21, 2013 5:56:02 PM

GhislainG said:
Cody Sparks said:
GhislainG said:
If the system is stable with the old PSU, then it has to be a new PSU issue. If it occurs with either PSU, then you'll need to figure out why it occurs and that's difficult if you can't swap parts. At a minimum run memory diagnostics (Memtest86+ or Windows 7). It shouldn't be the GPU or the CPU as they aren't that busy when opening a torrent program.


Just did the scan "no memory errors detected". I have no idea why the PSU would blue screen with torrenting programs open.


Neither do I, but if the system works fine with the old PSU and not with the new one, it's difficult not to come to the conclusion that the new PSU is causing the issue. Can you let us know a bit more about your system (old and new PSU, motherboard, CPU, GPU, etc.)


Sure I'll get back to re-digging that information up in a bit and have it posted when I can.
April 22, 2013 7:36:46 AM

GhislainG said:
Cody Sparks said:
GhislainG said:
If the system is stable with the old PSU, then it has to be a new PSU issue. If it occurs with either PSU, then you'll need to figure out why it occurs and that's difficult if you can't swap parts. At a minimum run memory diagnostics (Memtest86+ or Windows 7). It shouldn't be the GPU or the CPU as they aren't that busy when opening a torrent program.


Just did the scan "no memory errors detected". I have no idea why the PSU would blue screen with torrenting programs open.


Neither do I, but if the system works fine with the old PSU and not with the new one, it's difficult not to come to the conclusion that the new PSU is causing the issue. Can you let us know a bit more about your system (old and new PSU, motherboard, CPU, GPU, etc.)


Computer information is on this page http://

and I did put in a new Graphics card a long time ago which should be a Radeon HD 4650.
a b $ Windows 7
April 22, 2013 8:46:17 AM

Why did you have to replace the PSU? If the system works fine with the old PSU and the new PSU isn't defective, then it's not fully compatible.
April 22, 2013 2:16:45 PM

GhislainG said:
Why did you have to replace the PSU? If the system works fine with the old PSU and the new PSU isn't defective, then it's not fully compatible.


I replaced it because one of the rails went off. Also this is an ATX Power supply just like the last one.
a b $ Windows 7
April 22, 2013 3:02:35 PM

In your previous posts, you never indicated that you replaced the PSU because it failed. When it did, it may have damaged the motherboard (though not very likely, it certainly is a possibility). Can you try a different PSU to rule out a compatibility issue? Based on your last post, I presume that your old PSU no longer works and if so, then your post dated April 19, 2013 7:20:22 PM may be misleading.
April 22, 2013 4:02:06 PM

Did you try reinstalling the program...
a b $ Windows 7
April 22, 2013 4:07:09 PM

It's an old motherboard, even for 2009 manufacture date.
Try to get into Safe Mode then check Device Manager for any inconsistencies like exclamations, white x's in a red circle, and any greyed out devices.

It's not really a Windows 7 motherboard and definitely not for Windows 8.
Installed Operating System - "Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Media Center (64-bit) with Vista Service Pack 1"

The max ram you can have is only 4gb witrh DDR2. The original PSU was only 250 watts, that's fine with no video card but not so good with a video card.

Hall.dll refers to the video card or display output, you'd need to boot to your OS disk and do a REPAIR, that's the only fix.

The problem usually occurs when you've been overusing the gpu past its vram usability or insufficent power for the video card and its shut down the PC unexpectedly, the Hall. dll has become corrupted. It's not the fault of the PSU, per se, however, if you had been using the 250 watt PSU with the video card, that could have affected its performance during the download. Your video is more than likely fried.
April 22, 2013 5:46:33 PM

GhislainG said:
In your previous posts, you never indicated that you replaced the PSU because it failed. When it did, it may have damaged the motherboard (though not very likely, it certainly is a possibility). Can you try a different PSU to rule out a compatibility issue? Based on your last post, I presume that your old PSU no longer works and if so, then your post dated April 19, 2013 7:20:22 PM may be misleading.


My old PSU can still be used but it's not recommended to the loud whirring and whining noises it makes due to being derailed or whatever. Which is why I had it replaced.
April 22, 2013 5:50:03 PM

TenPc said:
It's an old motherboard, even for 2009 manufacture date.
Try to get into Safe Mode then check Device Manager for any inconsistencies like exclamations, white x's in a red circle, and any greyed out devices.

It's not really a Windows 7 motherboard and definitely not for Windows 8.
Installed Operating System - "Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Media Center (64-bit) with Vista Service Pack 1"

The max ram you can have is only 4gb witrh DDR2. The original PSU was only 250 watts, that's fine with no video card but not so good with a video card.

Hall.dll refers to the video card or display output, you'd need to boot to your OS disk and do a REPAIR, that's the only fix.

The problem usually occurs when you've been overusing the gpu past its vram usability or insufficent power for the video card and its shut down the PC unexpectedly, the Hall. dll has become corrupted. It's not the fault of the PSU, per se, however, if you had been using the 250 watt PSU with the video card, that could have affected its performance during the download. Your video is more than likely fried.


My video? Also how would this cause it to blue screen whenever a simple torrenting program is open. I can still play games I can still surf the web and do everything I normally could except torrent anything. But yeah for a year or two I have been using my GPU overclocked. Exactly how would I boot to OS disk? You mean get rid of everything and do a fresh install with the CD? Sorry I've never had these problems before so some of the solutions are a bit confusing. But yeah when I bought this computer in 2009 they put me on a list to receive a Windows 7 upgrade.
April 22, 2013 5:57:13 PM

Cody Sparks said:
TenPc said:
It's an old motherboard, even for 2009 manufacture date.
Try to get into Safe Mode then check Device Manager for any inconsistencies like exclamations, white x's in a red circle, and any greyed out devices.

It's not really a Windows 7 motherboard and definitely not for Windows 8.
Installed Operating System - "Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Media Center (64-bit) with Vista Service Pack 1"

The max ram you can have is only 4gb witrh DDR2. The original PSU was only 250 watts, that's fine with no video card but not so good with a video card.

Hall.dll refers to the video card or display output, you'd need to boot to your OS disk and do a REPAIR, that's the only fix.

The problem usually occurs when you've been overusing the gpu past its vram usability or insufficent power for the video card and its shut down the PC unexpectedly, the Hall. dll has become corrupted. It's not the fault of the PSU, per se, however, if you had been using the 250 watt PSU with the video card, that could have affected its performance during the download. Your video is more than likely fried.


My video? Also how would this cause it to blue screen whenever a simple torrenting program is open. I can still play games I can still surf the web and do everything I normally could except torrent anything. But yeah for a year or two I have been using my GPU overclocked. Exactly how would I boot to OS disk? You mean get rid of everything and do a fresh install with the CD? Sorry I've never had these problems before so some of the solutions are a bit confusing. But yeah when I bought this computer in 2009 they put me on a list to receive a Windows 7 upgrade.


By repair he means put in your win 7 disc and boot up your computer. It should allow you to "install OS" and "repair" under it. Just click repair and follow the onscreen instructions. This will *hopefully* repair the corrupted file you guys have been talking about.

Also consider upgrading your rig those are really old specs
April 22, 2013 7:15:20 PM

sethwilliam said:
Cody Sparks said:
TenPc said:
It's an old motherboard, even for 2009 manufacture date.
Try to get into Safe Mode then check Device Manager for any inconsistencies like exclamations, white x's in a red circle, and any greyed out devices.

It's not really a Windows 7 motherboard and definitely not for Windows 8.
Installed Operating System - "Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Media Center (64-bit) with Vista Service Pack 1"

The max ram you can have is only 4gb witrh DDR2. The original PSU was only 250 watts, that's fine with no video card but not so good with a video card.

Hall.dll refers to the video card or display output, you'd need to boot to your OS disk and do a REPAIR, that's the only fix.

The problem usually occurs when you've been overusing the gpu past its vram usability or insufficent power for the video card and its shut down the PC unexpectedly, the Hall. dll has become corrupted. It's not the fault of the PSU, per se, however, if you had been using the 250 watt PSU with the video card, that could have affected its performance during the download. Your video is more than likely fried.


My video? Also how would this cause it to blue screen whenever a simple torrenting program is open. I can still play games I can still surf the web and do everything I normally could except torrent anything. But yeah for a year or two I have been using my GPU overclocked. Exactly how would I boot to OS disk? You mean get rid of everything and do a fresh install with the CD? Sorry I've never had these problems before so some of the solutions are a bit confusing. But yeah when I bought this computer in 2009 they put me on a list to receive a Windows 7 upgrade.


By repair he means put in your win 7 disc and boot up your computer. It should allow you to "install OS" and "repair" under it. Just click repair and follow the onscreen instructions. This will *hopefully* repair the corrupted file you guys have been talking about.

Also consider upgrading your rig those are really old specs


I just recently got employed for my first job and do plan on saving up money to either build a rig or get a new one but thank you I will try that in the morning. Ntoskml.exe has something to do with hard drive though right?
a b $ Windows 7
April 23, 2013 4:38:13 AM

Ntoskml.exe - NT /OS / KRNL - it refers to the kernel of the NT OS.
Microsoft try to make the name of system files almost decipherable from the file name itself.

It could be a recent OS upgrade or service pack problem, whatever the case, it is not longer usable, it is required for the OS to actually work.
You need to include it in your REPAIR options.

Edit1 - Windows upgrade, from what? XP or vista? Probably XP, you can't upgrade from Vista to Windows 7.
Your OS is most likely only 32 bit so you can't (or shouldn't) install 64 bit drivers.

What is your internet browser? IE9? For each tab that is opened, an new instance of iexplorer.exe is also started however, if you close those tabs, the instances (processes) of iexplorere.exe do not close, for each of those tabs that you do close. So many iexplorere.exe processes opened after x amount of tabs slows the cpu to a crawl, it could be what you are looking for to solve the torrent problem. When you cpu crawls to a snail pace, the gpu also crawls.

If you switch to Task Manager (Ctrl + Alt + Del) , for each iexplorer.exe that doesn't have any movement on the "memory" column, "end process". The ones that seem to increase or decrease in kb are the tabs still opened, includsing the browser itself.

I never noticed it before in previous versions of IE however, I never really looked for it either.
April 23, 2013 8:20:27 AM

TenPc said:
Ntoskml.exe - NT /OS / KRNL - it refers to the kernel of the NT OS.
Microsoft try to make the name of system files almost decipherable from the file name itself.

It could be a recent OS upgrade or service pack problem, whatever the case, it is not longer usable, it is required for the OS to actually work.
You need to include it in your REPAIR options.

Edit1 - Windows upgrade, from what? XP or vista? Probably XP, you can't upgrade from Vista to Windows 7.
Your OS is most likely only 32 bit so you can't (or shouldn't) install 64 bit drivers.

What is your internet browser? IE9? For each tab that is opened, an new instance of iexplorer.exe is also started however, if you close those tabs, the instances (processes) of iexplorere.exe do not close, for each of those tabs that you do close. So many iexplorere.exe processes opened after x amount of tabs slows the cpu to a crawl, it could be what you are looking for to solve the torrent problem. When you cpu crawls to a snail pace, the gpu also crawls.

If you switch to Task Manager (Ctrl + Alt + Del) , for each iexplorer.exe that doesn't have any movement on the "memory" column, "end process". The ones that seem to increase or decrease in kb are the tabs still opened, includsing the browser itself.

I never noticed it before in previous versions of IE however, I never really looked for it either.


Wrong. I did upgrade from windows vista to windows 7. My computer is 64 bit. I use Google chrome. My computer came installed with windows vista when I bought it and part of a deal or whatever I was sent a windows 7 upgrade disk for when Windows 7 became available to the public.
April 23, 2013 4:17:25 PM

sethwilliam said:
Cody Sparks said:
TenPc said:
It's an old motherboard, even for 2009 manufacture date.
Try to get into Safe Mode then check Device Manager for any inconsistencies like exclamations, white x's in a red circle, and any greyed out devices.

It's not really a Windows 7 motherboard and definitely not for Windows 8.
Installed Operating System - "Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Media Center (64-bit) with Vista Service Pack 1"

The max ram you can have is only 4gb witrh DDR2. The original PSU was only 250 watts, that's fine with no video card but not so good with a video card.

Hall.dll refers to the video card or display output, you'd need to boot to your OS disk and do a REPAIR, that's the only fix.

The problem usually occurs when you've been overusing the gpu past its vram usability or insufficent power for the video card and its shut down the PC unexpectedly, the Hall. dll has become corrupted. It's not the fault of the PSU, per se, however, if you had been using the 250 watt PSU with the video card, that could have affected its performance during the download. Your video is more than likely fried.


My video? Also how would this cause it to blue screen whenever a simple torrenting program is open. I can still play games I can still surf the web and do everything I normally could except torrent anything. But yeah for a year or two I have been using my GPU overclocked. Exactly how would I boot to OS disk? You mean get rid of everything and do a fresh install with the CD? Sorry I've never had these problems before so some of the solutions are a bit confusing. But yeah when I bought this computer in 2009 they put me on a list to receive a Windows 7 upgrade.


By repair he means put in your win 7 disc and boot up your computer. It should allow you to "install OS" and "repair" under it. Just click repair and follow the onscreen instructions. This will *hopefully* repair the corrupted file you guys have been talking about.

Also consider upgrading your rig those are really old specs


Tried to do the repair thing but it says it can't upgrade because I'm using a better version or whatever. I looked it up and tried to do slipstreaming sp1 into a windows 7 installation file so it could bypass it and allow me to repair however it's just to damn confusing following the instructions when one part on it doesn't even happen.
a b $ Windows 7
April 23, 2013 9:38:10 PM

There are pre-requisites for upgrading from Vista to Windows 7, you must have had them.

Usually it is better to do a clean install rather than just an upgrade -
http://www.cnet.com.au/upgrade-windows-vista-to-windows...
"if you have Windows Vista Home premium you can upgrade to Windows 7 Home Premium. You can also go from Vista Business to Windows 7 Professional, and from Vista Ultimate to 7 Ultimate. Any other upgrade, like Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Professional, will require a clean install. That means you can't just turn Vista into 7. You have to export all your data, erase the hard drive and then reinstall all your applications and data. A lot of computer experts think you should do a clean install anyway, just to make sure your machine runs better."

A utorrent does use as little impact on resouces however, it does draw its data from different servers, perhaps it is the fault of Google Chrome?
Is your Chrome the latest for Windows 7 x64? Is your torrent program suited to Windows 7 x64 and for Google Chrome? I've never used them so am in new territory.

You might be able to do a repair using the Vista disks considering the upgrade rather than a clean install. You'd need to boot to the Vista OS disk then try a repair option for hal and ntoskrnl, there might be an option for Directx, do that as well.

Next, why did you replace the PSU?

You might want to consider listing all your hardware specs, for all we know, you could be using 2 x graphics cards and 16gb of ram to which the cx500 watt PSU would be somewhat lacking in 12v rail power. CX500 V2 - 12v rail - 34A 408W
April 24, 2013 9:20:55 AM

TenPc said:
There are pre-requisites for upgrading from Vista to Windows 7, you must have had them.

Usually it is better to do a clean install rather than just an upgrade -
http://www.cnet.com.au/upgrade-windows-vista-to-windows...
"if you have Windows Vista Home premium you can upgrade to Windows 7 Home Premium. You can also go from Vista Business to Windows 7 Professional, and from Vista Ultimate to 7 Ultimate. Any other upgrade, like Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Professional, will require a clean install. That means you can't just turn Vista into 7. You have to export all your data, erase the hard drive and then reinstall all your applications and data. A lot of computer experts think you should do a clean install anyway, just to make sure your machine runs better."

A utorrent does use as little impact on resouces however, it does draw its data from different servers, perhaps it is the fault of Google Chrome?
Is your Chrome the latest for Windows 7 x64? Is your torrent program suited to Windows 7 x64 and for Google Chrome? I've never used them so am in new territory.

You might be able to do a repair using the Vista disks considering the upgrade rather than a clean install. You'd need to boot to the Vista OS disk then try a repair option for hal and ntoskrnl, there might be an option for Directx, do that as well.

Next, why did you replace the PSU?

You might want to consider listing all your hardware specs, for all we know, you could be using 2 x graphics cards and 16gb of ram to which the cx500 watt PSU would be somewhat lacking in 12v rail power. CX500 V2 - 12v rail - 34A 408W


As I mentioned before I replaced my PSU because one of the rails went out and I had no other alternative but to replace it or be subjected to the constant high pitch squeels/wails it made. Also I don't think I got a vista disc for my computer as it just came with it installed. But yeah I had Vista home premium which is why I was able to upgrade. As I mentioned before if you go to that link showcasing my computers specs everything is the same except I put in a Radeon HD 4650, Corsaire CX500, and another stick of ram (2gb). But the weird thing about the torrent is the fact I don't even need to be downloading anything, if it's just sitting open it will blue screen 15 mins or so later.
a b $ Windows 7
April 26, 2013 3:43:59 PM

Thread restored.
April 26, 2013 4:08:02 PM

Yeah, no reason to close it in the first place.

OP, are you still here?
April 26, 2013 11:10:39 PM

FinneousPJ said:
Yeah, no reason to close it in the first place.

OP, are you still here?


Still here. I messaged the mod in private and pointed out how nobody was talking about pirating sites or even mentioned anything relating to it.
April 27, 2013 8:35:39 AM

Indeed. So does the problem persist? Did you try reinstalling? ;) 
April 27, 2013 10:13:23 PM

FinneousPJ said:
Indeed. So does the problem persist? Did you try reinstalling? ;) 


reinstalling the PSU or the entire system?

April 28, 2013 12:28:31 AM

The program that's crashing. Though if it's not a system you work on I'd try reinstalling Windows.
April 29, 2013 1:02:12 PM

FinneousPJ said:
The program that's crashing. Though if it's not a system you work on I'd try reinstalling Windows.


Not sure if I can reinstall windows since all I have is the windows 7 upgrade disk. I tried to do the repair features but it wouldn't let me saying I have a more advanced version or whatever and then I tried to do a slipstream but it all got confusing. Anyway I doubt re-installing the program would work because after the blu screen happened I wanted to see if it was just that program or if it would happen with all torrents so I went and downloaded another one and still got the same results. Also I'm gonna be slow to answering these now since I'm trying to recover from flu-like symptoms.

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a b $ Windows 7
April 29, 2013 2:47:28 PM
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Certain programs use a lot of virtual space so it could be that the temp storage area (that is in use more extensively than any other area) is in disrepair or has bad sectors so, basically, it means that your hdd is failing.
April 30, 2013 9:54:08 AM

TenPc said:
Certain programs use a lot of virtual space so it could be that the temp storage area (that is in use more extensively than any other area) is in disrepair or has bad sectors so, basically, it means that your hdd is failing.


Yeah that is what I was going to bring up but kept forgetting. While researching the problem on the internet the words "faulty Harddrive" well not "faulty" can't think of the word but it kept coming up saying it might be the harddrive storage area causing it which is weird. Could you explain how it causes it? To satiate my own curiosity at least.
a b $ Windows 7
April 30, 2013 10:18:58 AM

When you use your PC, the OS sets an area furtherest away from the files and folders allocation and uses that area for temp files and virtual memory. If your hard disk is less than 25% free space then the temp storage area has to spread itself out to the extemities and when you get to less than 10% free space, the Os has to mingle with your files and folders allocatios making it harder for the OS to access memory and temp files, sometimes overlapping of sectors can slow down a hdd rather a lot. defragging sorts out the sectors and moves files so their are no crosslinks or files broken into parts to fit into other areas.

In some instances, "bad Sectors" can be formed by extreme constatnt and consistent access to a certain area but is quite rare, the bad sectors usually form by sudden blackouts if a large volume of information is held in memory, or the needle arm of the hdd (disk platter types) is becoming "unhigned and occasionally actually touches the disk itself.

Bad sectors with SSD is more likely to be parts of the memory chip being unable to cope with demand or a power spike, which is why you should shut down the Pc rather than leave in standby mode, when not in use.

You can't use Windows Defrag with SSD, you have to use a program called Defraggler. Usually with SSD, it's not necessary to defrag, the OS just shuts down parts of the SSD that is deemed as unsafe or unusable, you might notice a decrease in hdd volume total size.

You might be able to salvage the SSD by removing some storage files like movies, images, redundant files you have created yourself but no longer use, but music is difficult to move because Media player, iTunes etc always copies files back to their My Music folder, you'd need to change that option in each respective media player to only access the music from a set location.
May 2, 2013 9:16:45 PM

TenPc said:
When you use your PC, the OS sets an area furtherest away from the files and folders allocation and uses that area for temp files and virtual memory. If your hard disk is less than 25% free space then the temp storage area has to spread itself out to the extemities and when you get to less than 10% free space, the Os has to mingle with your files and folders allocatios making it harder for the OS to access memory and temp files, sometimes overlapping of sectors can slow down a hdd rather a lot. defragging sorts out the sectors and moves files so their are no crosslinks or files broken into parts to fit into other areas.

In some instances, "bad Sectors" can be formed by extreme constatnt and consistent access to a certain area but is quite rare, the bad sectors usually form by sudden blackouts if a large volume of information is held in memory, or the needle arm of the hdd (disk platter types) is becoming "unhigned and occasionally actually touches the disk itself.

Bad sectors with SSD is more likely to be parts of the memory chip being unable to cope with demand or a power spike, which is why you should shut down the Pc rather than leave in standby mode, when not in use.

You can't use Windows Defrag with SSD, you have to use a program called Defraggler. Usually with SSD, it's not necessary to defrag, the OS just shuts down parts of the SSD that is deemed as unsafe or unusable, you might notice a decrease in hdd volume total size.

You might be able to salvage the SSD by removing some storage files like movies, images, redundant files you have created yourself but no longer use, but music is difficult to move because Media player, iTunes etc always copies files back to their My Music folder, you'd need to change that option in each respective media player to only access the music from a set location.


That's probably what did it. I got into a habit of putting my computer in sleep mode over night after I started never turning my Macbook Pro off since that would wear out hardware or something faster if you're always turning it on and off. So the problem will probably be fixed if I get a new hard-drive right? Yeah I read that online but wanted to be sure. I'll try your methods first though. Thanks!
a b $ Windows 7
May 3, 2013 12:34:44 AM

Macbook PRO?
May 4, 2013 11:35:29 AM

TenPc said:
Macbook PRO?


Yeah I own a macbook pro too. I was told if you use it frequently that it's better to just leave it on 24/7 in sleep mode (their site says it too I believe) since turning it on and off would shorten the lifespan of the hardware due to it taking alot of power to boot up.. So I figured I would start putting my desktop in Sleep mode as well.
a b $ Windows 7
May 4, 2013 12:14:55 PM

Okey-dokey, I was thinking that all of this was about a PC until you mentioned Macbook Pro.

About the torrent problem, what else is opened as well? Perhaps ten tabs, media player, a game onpause mode, and anything else?

It could be a draw on the power or even the video card or system reaources, try just the torrent page open and nothing else.
May 5, 2013 3:47:04 PM

TenPc said:
Okey-dokey, I was thinking that all of this was about a PC until you mentioned Macbook Pro.

About the torrent problem, what else is opened as well? Perhaps ten tabs, media player, a game onpause mode, and anything else?

It could be a draw on the power or even the video card or system reaources, try just the torrent page open and nothing else.


No problem lol didn't mean to confuse ya. But yeah I believe i have tried with just the torrent program open and it still crashed so you might be right and it is the Hard Drive. If it is I'll go ahead and mark your answer earlier as the solution. I was reading about the type of Blu screen I got and kept finding solutions having to do with replacing the hard-drive anyway. Right now it's not too big of a problem and I plan on building a gaming PC from scratch once I get my paycheck. So you believe it's the HDD right?

a b $ Windows 7
May 5, 2013 5:54:58 PM

There doesn't appear to much of anything else.
did you repair the Hal.Dll and ntoskrnl.dll?

Consider how much free space is on the OS drive, how much free space do you have, anyway?

The thing about sleep mode, hibernate takes a lot more disk space for storing data, is that it does actually take up storage space, about 3gb unless you sleep with apps open and other programs and not just desktop mode. If the battery runs flat then your macbook pro will suffer something similar to a stroke and black out (shut down). This could affect the stability of the hdd. All those temp files would possibly corrupted as they were open at the time, just tucked into storage.

With a PC, the stability is less stable if a power surge or blacvk out of power occured, your hdd would most likely shudder and drop its guts all over the place causing fragmentation and the Hal.dll and Ntodkrnl would become corrupted as is has happened.

Having the laptop or Pc on sleep means that power is still being drawn, the motherboard will be always warm and never get a chance to cool own.
I've seen lots of Macbook Pro laptops dumped in bins and hard waste, I've got a couple of them, no hard drives but still dumped.

Sleep mode has been around for almost decades, its up to you and 90% of the population of laptop owners use that mode. As for PC's, probably about 60% of PC owners use sleep mode. Everyone upgrades their PC or laptop every 3 years so I suppose it doesn't really matter, until something like a crash occurs then trying to find system files and repair disk to fix it.

I never use sleep mode or hibernate, not even screen saver, if my Pc is not in use for more than 40 minutes, I just shut down. The same with my netbook and laptop.

I rarely re-install, maybe once every 3 years. I always create a Repair disk if the oiption is avaiable in the Start > All Programs > Maintenance.
I also rarely do updates, I might choose to select which option to install or if an occasion comes by where I feel that I just can't fix a problem or issue then I'd do an update but I read the kb information prior to updating.

Did your problem occur after fitting the CX500 or had it occcured prior to that new PSU?
a b $ Windows 7
May 5, 2013 8:18:53 PM

I'm not going to add to that drivel ^ :lol:  I just thought of something, the CX500 has 408 watts on the 12v rail, the CPU uses 140 watts, the video card uses 150 watts, that's nearly 300 watts so far, add the cooler, and other hardware etc about80 watts or so plus usb ports in use and you are getting really close to that 408 watts leaving little room to spare. Get yourself a 600 watt PSu and that would give you more than enough watts.

Not real sure, though if it will fix your system files problem you might need to copy those files from the cab file on the upgrade disk and replace them.
May 7, 2013 12:52:56 PM

TenPc said:
I'm not going to add to that drivel ^ :lol:  I just thought of something, the CX500 has 408 watts on the 12v rail, the CPU uses 140 watts, the video card uses 150 watts, that's nearly 300 watts so far, add the cooler, and other hardware etc about80 watts or so plus usb ports in use and you are getting really close to that 408 watts leaving little room to spare. Get yourself a 600 watt PSu and that would give you more than enough watts.

Not real sure, though if it will fix your system files problem you might need to copy those files from the cab file on the upgrade disk and replace them.



Pretty sure my 408 watts is enough as my PC ran just find for years on the 125=150 watt old PSU. But yeah I was told turning your laptop on and off constantly does more damage due to the amount of energy it takes to turn on. If you're going to be using it daily just leave it in sleep mode but if not for days then turn it off.

Edit: Also no I did not fix the hal.dll or ntoskrnll.dll as I have no idea how too. That and like someone mentioned ntoskrnll.dll is usually hard-drive related.
a b $ Windows 7
May 7, 2013 2:02:28 PM

The ntoskrnl.dll refers to the OS but if your hdd is somewhat fragmented or failing, the OS is have trouble with virtual memory (& temp file) allocation. You cannot run Windows without hal and ntoskrnl.

You can extract the ntoskrnl.dll and hal.dll from the cab file and just replace them in Windows/System32 folder, you'd need to do it from a boot disk, though.
May 7, 2013 2:51:23 PM

TenPc said:
The ntoskrnl.dll refers to the OS but if your hdd is somewhat fragmented or failing, the OS is have trouble with virtual memory (& temp file) allocation. You cannot run Windows without hal and ntoskrnl.

You can extract the ntoskrnl.dll and hal.dll from the cab file and just replace them in Windows/System32 folder, you'd need to do it from a boot disk, though.


I seem to be running fine like I said just that small problem with the torrent. Though rarely now I get a randoml Blue Screen if the comps been on for too long. However would extracting these two items involve a slipstream into the Upgrade disk I have? Because i tried to do that but the long steps began to get confusing and I ended up not doing something right or what they said would happen didn't.
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