first time builder looking for opinons

nickw255

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Hey I plan on building a gaming computer. My last gaming computer I bought prebuilt, but I want to build my own now. I play World of Warcraft, Starcaft 2, and also run Skyrim, Assassins creed, etc. I want to run them at max graphics with like 80-100 fps. I compiled a list of the hardware I want to use and I'm wondering if anyone could give me some advice. I got all the pricing off amazon and newegg. I want to stay in between 1800-2400.

CPU: Intel i7 3930K Hexacore processor, 3.2Ghz -$569 - not sure I'm going overkill with this. I've noticed more and more computers with quad core processors out there and I guess I'm just trying to stay ahead. Could someone who knows more than me explain the benefits of a six core compared to a four core processor. I just need to known if its worth the like extra $200.

MOBO -- Asus p9x79 PRO 6GB SATA -- $239 -- I honestly know nothing about motherboards. From the research I did, this is a good motherboard. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated though.

RAM: Corsair Vengance 16GB (2x8) -- $120 -- so as far as my inexperienced mind is concerned, more RAM = faster. I'm probably wrong, so if anyone could shed some light on why 16GB is overkill, or if I'm in the right area for how I want my computer to perform

GRAPHICS CARD: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit -- ~$500 -- Am I spending too much on a graphics card? I want to start with a one monitor setup but I'm probably going to add another one or two later on. Also, would it be better to go with two lower range graphics cards? I was looking at the GTX 670 ftw, and apperantly that's good too. I'm also open to opinions on raedon GPUs.

SSD: Samsung 840 256GB -- $229 -- This is the first time I've considered getting a solid state drive, so I don't know much. I heard the 840s were good so I chose this, it was cheaper than some others.

HHD: WD black 1TB -- $94 -- I really have no idea. I just know I wanted around 1TB

HSF: Thermalright Silver arrow --$94 -- again...just looked like a good fan to the untrained eye.

CASE AND POWER SUPPLY: Here I literally have no idea. Not a clue. I don't know what the power supply wattage id need would be, or what kind of case I need to get. Do most cases support all of that or do you need to look to make sure it has slots for all that stuff? Also considering getting it water cooled...not sure yet.

 
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To max all of those games and get 100s of frames a second this is really all you need.

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($162.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.97 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card...
u dont need to pick hexacore to max everything :)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.97 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($172.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($127.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($82.00 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer
Total: $1362.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-21 12:40 EDT-0400)

this is a popular template build so that you can start from here :)
 

burritobob

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To max all of those games and get 100s of frames a second this is really all you need.

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($162.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.97 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($389.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1150.12
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
 
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nickw255

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to you both, I noticed you picked i5 processors rather than i7. Any particular reason?
 

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There are a couple things, the Noctua D-14 is unnecessary at best you can still easily attain 4.6-4.8Ghz with the EVO any day.

16GB of RAM will never be used, EVER in any sort of game. 8GB is the staple of today.

The Samsung 840 SSD is slower and smaller (though by a small margin) than the ultra plus I suggested.

You will never ever use 3TB, 1TB is insanely hard to fill no matter what.

670 is 10% slower than a standard 7970, they are also the same price, meaning you get a better deal plus a more overclock able GPU plus better cooling for the same price as the 670. The 7970 is the best value for 1080p gaming right now.

912/922 are interchangeable, you should really pick a case you like not what we suggest, the 912 is just another standard staple of today's custom PCs.

650w will never fully be used, and you cannot CFx/SLI with it, which means in turn you should get the 600w MODULAR PSU that I suggested.

to you both, I noticed you picked i5 processors rather than i7. Any particular reason?

The i7 will never be used to its complete full potential. Most games do not support 8 cores, but only support 4 instead. This means that the i7 will never fully be used in just about every case. The i5 is the standard in today's gaming rigs, you need no more and no less.
 

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so basically I went overkill with everything. Could you share a little of why raedon GPUs would be a better choice than a geforce?
 

burritobob

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I pretty much explained why my build is the best action, if you want a list of facts why mine is better here you go:

Same CPU, perfect for gaming.
Best value CPU cooler on the market right now, you can still easily reach 4.8GHz
Fantastic motherboard for the money
Best HDD for the money right now, really cannot beat that.
Cheap fast efficient SSD, to get the job done
The strongest 1080p GPU out there right now the 7970 is going to beat every other sub 600$ card right now.
The staple case for gaming the 912 is going to be perfect for any purpose with great cable management and airflow
A PSU that will last you a lifetime and longer, also it's modular.
Overall a great computer that will get you 100s of frames a second that is $300 cheaper than any other option presented, and a much better value than the original course of action.

 

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General links you can scroll through to find the 7970 on top in every case
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-benchmark,3232-8.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-catching-up-to-gtx-680/4
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_hd_7970_ghz_edition_review,16.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/546-amd-radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition/page4.html
Specific to games you play
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/22.html
 

nickw255

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I'm probably going to go with essentially the setup you proposed. Its about a grand cheaper than my initial one, I guess I was just going totally overkill. Thanks for the advice
 
You have a nice budget, but I think it can be spent better.
1. As others have indicated, a 3570K is probably a better usage of funds. The reason is that few games can use more than 2-3 cores, so the hyperthreads of a 3770K will go largely unused, as will the 6 cores of a 3930K.

2. Your GTX680 is an appropriate pick, particularly with your budget. Pick FTW or superclocked version, they are a bit faster with a factory overclock. I like the direct exhaust blower style coolers better than the fan based ones. They get heat out of your case directly. It is true that a GTX670 is almost as fast. But the graphics card is the true engine of a gamer. You might even consider a $1000 TITAN. As to the amd vs. Nvidia issue, my take is that the amd drivers are, today, geared to higher benchmark FPS numbers, while Nvidia is geared more to less lag and better response time consistency.
Here is one of the first articles exploring that issue: http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited
3. No game, by itself will use more than 2-3gb of ram. But, ram is cheap, and I agree with 16gb. Windows will keep more code in ram available for instant reuse. Ivy bridge does not benefit much from ram faster than 1600 speed. Buy low profile versions to avoid any cpu cooler interference.
4. Love the Samsung ssd. Intel is equally good, and 240gb is appropriate. 240gb will hold the os and a large number of games. The 1tb wd black is good, use it for backups, overflow and storage of large files such as video's.
5. Silver arrow is ok. The similarly priced Noctua NH-D14 is a bit better and has very quiet fans. Alternatively, the Phanteks is good too.
6. For the psu, buy only a quality unit. Seasonic is probably the best. 550w will power a GTX680, a titan will need 600w.
I might buy a Seasonic X650 gold rated modular psu.
7. Most any Z77 based motherboard will do. Pick your favorite brand. $150 should be all you need to pay.
8. Cases are a personal thing. Buy one you love. If it has two 120mm intake fans or equivalent, then you will have adequate cooling. A conservative pick would be the Antec 300 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066 I like the washable intake filters which keep your case free from dust.
I happen to like the quality of lian li aluminum cases. I also like smaller cases.
Corsair, NZXT and Silverstone are other good case builders.
9. What monitor are you planning on using? I might suggest you spend more than you think on a great monitor. Look for a 2560 x 144o 27" IPS monitor. It will be about $600.