Is my motherboard or CPU dead?

Black_Vanguard07

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Hi,
My computer stopped working recently & I need help pin-pointing the problem. This morning I found it constantly freezing on the motherboard splash screen and I can't even get into the bios. My motherboard is only 2 & 1/2 years old, its a Gigabyte 770TUSB3 board & by process of elimination I would say either this or my memory or CPU is causing this problem, but I doubt its the CPU because I only bought it last year December (2012). I'll also mention that I already tried resetting the cmos without any luck. Would someone be so kind as to give me their thoughts on this, it would be greatly appreciated.

System specs:
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1035t (not overclocked)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212+
Motherboard: Gigabyte 770tUSB3
Graphics Card: EVGA GTX 660ti SC Edition
PSU: Corsair GS 700
RAM: 2x 2GB Kingston 1333 and 1x 4GB Kingston 1333
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 7200 RPM
Hitachi 500GB 5400 RPM
Seagate 320GB 5400 RPM
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 

Black_Vanguard07

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Saw nothing about repairing itself. When I tried reconnecting the boot drive it failed to POST, and it failed again when I removed the boot drive, a few restarts later I'm not even getting as far as the motherboard splash screen or even the beep. =/
 

TenPc

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RAM: 2x 2GB Kingston 1333 and 1x 4GB Kingston 1333, remove the 1 x4gb. motherboards require paired ram. your ram is causing issues, the 2 x2gb is only 4gb, the 4gb single is probably only one of a pair and read only as 2gb, anyway. It causes malfunctions and might not even be counted as part of the avaiable ram.

The PCI Express x16 slot conforms to PCI Express 2.0 standard however, the EVGA Graphics card is PCI-E 3.0 16x, this could cause a slow GPU.
EVGA GeForce GTX 660 Ti SC+ 3GB w/Backplate
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=03G-P4-3663-KR
Minimum of a 450 Watt power supply. (Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 24 Amps.)
Two available 6-pin PCI-E power dongles. Total Power Draw : 150 Watts

The cpu is only 2.6ghz, not exactly a super fast CPU, especially for the super fast overclocked graphics card, there might be issues between it and the cpu.

Basically, you need to acquire 2 x 4gb of ram, a PCIe 3.0 motherboard, or a video card that is PCIe 2.0 standard. Backward compatibility is useless if the video card has to resort to the PCIe 2.0 standard, you might as well get a video card with the PCIe 2.0 standard as its standard.

The PSU seems more than adequate, make sure that the connectors are directly from the PSU and you are not using molex adapters. The 12v connector is 8 pin connector, make sure it is connected, it clicks into place.

Youve got 3 hdd's, 2 of which use a lower rpm, best to have those one on their own cable line, the 7200 rpm on its own cable line. They require different power requirements.

Set the bios as onboard video out, Save and exit then shut down, turn off rocker, connect the cable to vga out then remove the graphics card. Disconnect all other devices including the hard drives. If you use any external devices, remove them also. Turn on power then power up. Check you bios for power management, temps etc, check the Date/Time, and other settings, ram, timings etc. Set the onboard video out vram to its highest amount, could be 512mb. Save and Exit even if you don't make any changes. Boot to the message "you have no hard drive" or similar.

If all works well then turn off the power, then attach the devices and try to boot to SAFE MODE but using the onboard video out, not the video card.
Get to Safe Mode desktop, wait for the cursor to stop swirling then do a shut down, not a restart. After shut down, wait for about a minute then boot directly to desktop. Go to Device Manger and see if there are any errors or exclamations.

Best to disable Auto updates and select "Choose which ones to install."
 

Black_Vanguard07

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No I never played around with raid @ all. I will try doing what TenPc suggested but I will add that this system ran absolutely fine for about 6 months without any errors or blue screens. It just baffles me how overnight a pc can go from stable to NO POST. =/
 

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"PCI Express® 3.0 (PCIe 3.0) is the latest PCI Express bus standard with improved encoding schemes that provide twice the performance of current PCIe 2.0. Total bandwidth for a x16 link reaches a maximum of 32GB/s, double the 16GB/s of PCIe 2.0 (in x16 mode). "
Your Graphics card is only running at half its bandwidth and half its performance ratio.

"It just baffles me how overnight a pc can go from stable to NO POST" - It depends on what you were doing the night before that might be different to other times previously. You might have decided to do some video compiling which does take a lot of cpu power, or play a high FPS PC game that the video card could not abide by due to its half speed ratio of the PCIE standard.

If your free space is less than 25% then your virtual memory is at risk.
Check your device Manager for any inconsistencies.

Not many people agree with my suggestions but they are more of a last resort if nothing else works.

If your hdd's are only 3gb/s and you have them in the 6gb/s ports then that, too will impact on the performance of your hdd's. AHCI rather than IDE mode is a better option but don't go changing that option if you still got ide mode enabled, wait for instructions.

 

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With regards to the PCI Express 3.0 (correct me if I'm worng but,)I believe only some of the more recent intel motherboards support PCIE 3.0 at the moment, even the latest AMD chipset being the 990FX only supports up to PCIE 2.0 meaning that buying an intel-based system would be a MUST in getting the best performance possible out of my current graphics card, but I'm getting off topic, and I extremely doubt that the card is contributing to my system not posting.

As for what I was doing the night before, yes I was gaming (Super Street fighter IV), but the system shut down without a hic. I generally use this system for gaming, web browsing and typing up documents (word excel etc.). I don't do any video compiling or editing of the sort.

Now when you mentioned having my 7200 RPM drive being ran on its own, my psu has 2 sata lines each with 4 sata connectors. One line powers my 2 low rpm hdd's and the other line powers my DVD drive and the 7200 rpm hdd.

With respect to the hdd transfer rates, this motherboard does not support 6gb/s and my only 6gb/s drive is the 7200 rpm drive.

Thank you for the input & I appreciate the response.
 

Black_Vanguard07

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My thoughts exactly, but I think it may be the most likely cause other than RAM because it(the motherboard), apart from one of my hdd's (not my boot drive) is the oldest component in my system, that being nearly 3 years old. However, this motherboard is 'supposed' to have a lifetime of at least 5 years.

I appreciate the feedback you are giving me btw. :)
 

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How much free space is on your primary OS hdd?

Dust is a major factor that many people overlook, is your PC innards dust free, are the fans dust free?
Are there adequate fans for heat dispersal?
Is there congestion inside that might thwart air flow?

Your ram is most likely the major issue.
On boot POST, can you quickly see if the ram is showing what you have installed ( you need to disable Logo display to view the POST output).
Go into BIOS and see what the total ram is being accepted.
Go to your System dialog in Windows and see what the OS displays as available ram.
Run DXDIAG and see what DXDIAG has to say.
 

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There is 202/ 320 GB free on my boot drive.

I clean my pc weekly so there is no dust in there. My case is a Cooler Master CM 690II Advanced which is fairly big for a mid-tower case. As far as case fans go, I have 5 of them installed: 1x120mm fan to the front as an intake for the hdds, 2x140mm on the ceiling of the case for cpu heat dispersion, 1x120mm to the rear of the case to outflow more heat and lastly another intake 140mm @ the bottom.

I'm still unable to do most of the things you're suggesting because I literally cannot acsess the bios PERIOD. The system will just freeze on the motherboard splash screen or keep loop resetting. I'm not getting ANY response when I press the 'delete' key to enter the bios.
 

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"I'm still unable to do most of the things you're suggesting because I literally cannot acsess the bios PERIOD. The system will just freeze on the motherboard splash screen or keep loop resetting. I'm not getting ANY response when I press the 'delete' key to enter the bios. "

Considering that you can't get to POST or even into bios means that the ram is not doing its duty. Take out a stick and try with just one, or the other, or the other slot. You only need to get tobios to check the settings and the timings of the ram and the temps. Temps first, you might be surprised by how the temps can be really high on boot.

Considering temps I also had that same problem last year (Windows 7 x64, x58 motherboard), the cpu was super hot and my cooler was just a tad slow in giving proper cooling. I think the thermal paste was also low grade so when I removed the cooler, the thermal paste was dried out, I only had it put on a few months eariler.

 

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Well, you have to have ram installed, even just one to get anything to work. Some motherboards would beep like crazy if there was no ram installed, some motherboards actually power on without any ram, just no video output. It's a crazy motherboard world.

Have you actually tried just the 2 x 2gb ram?
 

Black_Vanguard07

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Yes I have already tried with just 2x2 GB ram AND 1x2GB ram. In the past I've also tried to power up the system with no ram installed & I heard the beep error like its supposed to, which is why it's bizarre that I'm not hearing the beeping now.
 

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Have you tried onboard video out, remove the graphics card. You might need to unseat the cmos battery for it to revert to the default onboard video out. Don't take the cmos battery out for more than 10 seconds, the cmos chip relies on the little power from the battery to keep it "fresh". You need to remove the power plug from th PSU also, as it it does give a current through the mains power (when switched on).

Quick Edit -
If the cmos battery has been unseated for a long time, more than ten seconds (more likley a few hours or so) at any one time, the cmos chip might actually be corrupted and is not replaceable. This could very well be the problem.

Another Quick Edit -
disconnect all those fans.
 

TenPc

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The cooloermaster cpu might be not providing the adquate proterction, you might need to check the thermal paste, too much acts like a barrier and too little will dry up rather quickly and not offer heat transference. Also, make sure that it is properly seated on the cpu. It should not move nor rattle nor even wobble.

The other thing about the cooler, it does support your socket but not the processor, I don't know why, it just seems silly if it fits over the socket, perhaps the cpu iteslf has a raised processor edge bit that impedes the fitting of the cooler?

http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=2923

CPU Socket

Intel®:
Sandy Bridge 1155
Socket LGA 1366 / 1155 / 1156 / 775

AMD™:
Socket FM2 / FM1 / AM3+ / AM3 / AM2+ / AM2

CPU Support
Intel®:
Core™ i7 Extreme / Core™ i7 / Core™2 Extreme / Core™2 Quad / Core™2 Duo / Pentium® / Celeron®

AMD™:
Phenom™ II X4 / Phenom™ II X3 / Phenom™ X4 / Phenom™ X3 / Athlon™ X2 / Athlon™ / Sempron™


Yes, I'm grabbing at straws but considering there is very little else to ponder, it's worth looking at.
 

Black_Vanguard07

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Sadly this motherboard does not have onboard video, but I will try unplugging the fans and reinstalling the cpu & cpu heatsink.