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Xbox 360 Slim Dvd Drive So Big? Why?

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April 22, 2013 6:13:27 AM

hello, i don't own a console and i hate them (my personal opinion) but i'm curious about them.

so i had this question in mind which i cannot get a justified answer too.

why is the xbox 360 dvd drive so big, i mean they want to slim the console down, also launched a slimmer version
but why can't they add like dvd drive of a size that is used in laptops.

i understand that games run off the internal hard drive and dvd is just for 1 time installation.

xbox drive:


Laptop drive:


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April 22, 2013 6:26:52 AM

Its not that big at all. Laptop drives don't have motors and are fragile. Kind of a silly question....
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April 22, 2013 6:28:34 AM

unksol said:
Its not that big at all. Laptop drives don't have motors and are fragile. Kind of a silly question....


ya its silly, and yes it does not have motor.. but laptop drive is 1/3rd of the xbox.
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April 22, 2013 6:32:26 AM

Because you can (could) buy an Xbox without a hard drive for a long time, developers have to code presuming that there won't be a hard drive present, thus the usage of hard drives can be extensive or none, depending on how much effort the developer goes in to forking the code depending on hardware (something console development isn't well known for by its very nature).

The larger drive is much cheaper to buy.
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April 22, 2013 6:36:17 AM

kyzarvs said:
Because you can (could) buy an Xbox without a hard drive for a long time, developers have to code presuming that there won't be a hard drive present, thus the usage of hard drives can be extensive or none, depending on how much effort the developer goes in to forking the code depending on hardware (something console development isn't well known for by its very nature).

The larger drive is much cheaper to buy.


the price difference is negotiable, as per my understanding when they launched the slimmer version they should have adjusted the components.
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April 22, 2013 6:38:10 AM

...well evidently someone at Microsoft disagrees with you? :)  It's a standard 5 1/4 dvd drive size - not exactly unusual :) 
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April 22, 2013 6:40:16 AM

Money. Laptop drives are expensive, regular sized DVD drives aren't and can be made with 90% of the same components as a regular DVD reader.

Also the motor issue as said. Laptop drives aren't big enough to be motorized. Regular sized drives are.

Also, if they made it super slim, no room for cooling, heat builds up, it red rings, then people complain.
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April 22, 2013 6:52:13 AM

getochkn said:
Money. Laptop drives are expensive, regular sized DVD drives aren't and can be made with 90% of the same components as a regular DVD reader.

Also the motor issue as said. Laptop drives aren't big enough to be motorized. Regular sized drives are.

Also, if they made it super slim, no room for cooling, heat builds up, it red rings, then people complain.


price is not the issue:
xbox drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0U0...
laptop drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

notice the size, i dont know motor can be an issue things can be work around to get it working as MS is a big company
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April 22, 2013 6:58:34 AM

Sagar Sammy said:
getochkn said:
Money. Laptop drives are expensive, regular sized DVD drives aren't and can be made with 90% of the same components as a regular DVD reader.

Also the motor issue as said. Laptop drives aren't big enough to be motorized. Regular sized drives are.

Also, if they made it super slim, no room for cooling, heat builds up, it red rings, then people complain.


price is not the issue:
xbox drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0U0...
laptop drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

notice the size, i dont know motor can be an issue things can be work around to get it working as MS is a big company


You can't go by a retail price. The reason that drive is $65 is because you can't buy them retail, MS doesn't sell them. They come from dead or broken systems or smuggled out of the factories that make them. There is no store to go to and buy a new 360 drive. I can order that same drive from China for about $25 or cheaper if I bug my supplier or tell him someone else has them cheaper than him.

Even if it's $2 cheaper per drive for MS to buy the bigger drives, on millions of systems, that works out to throwing away millions of dollars in profit for no reason other than you think they should be a slimmer drive. You've never even seen the inside of a slim 360, the heatsink and other components take up space inside, and putting a slim drive in that isn't motorized would just leave empty space inside.

Between this and your port forwarding thread, you like to argue just for the sake of it, don't you. You've never seen a 360 inside, don't have one, have no idea on the retail aspect of replacement parts for consoles, yet still want to argue the point over and over.
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April 22, 2013 7:08:21 AM

FYI, the drive inside of a launch day PS3 vs a slim PS3 are nearly the same size too despite the slim PS3 being smaller by a large margin. The PS3 fat and PS3 slim drives are nearly the same size.



The superslim pictured there, they stopped using slot loading drives and went to a top mounted drive, which a lot of people hate. They went from a nice slot loaded drive that took your discs in, and you could have your console on it's side, out of the way, to a system where you have to manually side the whole top of the system open, push the disc in your self, then slide it back. No more keeping your PS3 out of the way. It's like they went back 2 generations to the PS1 that was top loading.
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April 22, 2013 7:11:44 AM

getochkn said:

You can't go by a retail price. The reason that drive is $65 is because you can't buy them retail, MS doesn't sell them. They come from dead or broken systems or smuggled out of the factories that make them. There is no store to go to and buy a new 360 drive. I can order that same drive from China for about $25 or cheaper if I bug my supplier or tell him someone else has them cheaper than him.

Even if it's $2 cheaper per drive for MS to buy the bigger drives, on millions of systems, that works out to throwing away millions of dollars in profit for no reason other than you think they should be a slimmer drive. You've never even seen the inside of a slim 360, the heatsink and other components take up space inside, and putting a slim drive in that isn't motorized would just leave empty space inside.

Between this and your port forwarding thread, you like to argue just for the sake of it, don't you. You've never seen a 360 inside, don't have one, have no idea on the retail aspect of replacement parts for consoles, yet still want to argue the point over and over.


that also goes for the slim drives.. they can order from intel and they can provide them with a price maybe $2 more than the bigger drives, but they get a more slimmer console and lighter.

if there is empty space inside when using a slimmer drive that would help a good airflow.isnt it?

i am sorry if you think that about me.. but i get to know things after a discussion (not an argument).

i just want to implement qos on my router.. that will also teach me some practical things.. as most of the theoretical concepts are clear now..
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April 22, 2013 7:20:19 AM

getochkn said:
FYI, the drive inside of a launch day PS3 vs a slim PS3 are nearly the same size too despite the slim PS3 being smaller by a large margin. The PS3 fat and PS3 slim drives are nearly the same size.


plz don't misjudge me but the title says xbox and dvd not BD(sony can do whatever they want as they are proving it with a BD player)
i know what you are trying to say but that isn't relevant.
actual sliming can be done by using slimmer parts not squeezing things to infinity
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April 22, 2013 10:29:20 AM

for someone who hates consoles and likely will never own one you sure do seem to care an awfully lot. i tend to agree that you just want to argue the point as it in no way should affect you. you would be better off trying to argue about putting a laptop dvd drive in your home computer since you probably actually own one of them.

most console systems are sold at a loss. in case this needs further explanation: they lose money on each sale. the way they recoup costs is by charging high rates for perepherals, royalties for games, etcetera. if microsoft can save even $0.01 per xbox they would have saved $700,000 so far (estimated 70 million sales as of june 2012).

next you have to think about warranty issues. laptop drives are quite prone to breaking if subjected to abuse. standard dvd drives are a bit more sturdy. if a drive breaks under warranty microsoft will have to fix it and it will cost them money.

extra air space inside an electronic device does not always equal better. if this is "dead air" as in the fans are not moving air through this area then there is little good that it will do. if heatsinks are used then they must be in contact with the device in order to pull heat away. putting airspace between a heatsink and source will not work. granted, cd drives do not generate excessive heat.

in any case, i agree that microsoft could likely have put slim drives inside the slim xbox however they chose not to. to theorize why they didnt or to point out reasons why they should is pointless and even more so because you will never own one.

there is no problem with a debate or discussion but at least make it about something that actually concerns you please.
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April 22, 2013 10:39:03 AM

well said, not more to discuss about.. you summed it all up and even kept my point..
thx
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