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April 27, 2013 4:18:57 PM

I am turning over an old toshiba laptop for a newer computer. Unfortunately this is my only option for a computer, as a friend is selling it to me for a considerably cheap price for it to be one week old. http://www.amazon.com/HP-TouchSmart-320-1030-Desktop-Co...

Those are the specs. Would this computer run Minecraft fine with Fancy and Far on? No mods, with the exception of Optifine.
April 27, 2013 5:08:13 PM

That computer you are looking into... stay away of please. Build your own, take your time and read the manual. You're going to waste money, sure it'll run Minecraft but you should save money on something you can actually customize. HP doesn't let you do anything except turn it on and play. If you plan to overclock and make it faster and better than the price was, get a third party motherboard like MSI - Asus - Gigabyte for example.

But you don't need a $1000 computer, you can run it with a $150 computer like mine.

You can get a simple Core i3 with a good ol' GTS 450. Both parts aren't very expensive and will run Minecraft flawlessly, but you should get about 4GB of ram for Minecraft since it's Java based.

This was a short "idea" of what to get. Don't get prebuilt since they're expensive for junk.
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April 27, 2013 5:21:18 PM

Soarin said:
That computer you are looking into... stay away of please. Build your own, take your time and read the manual. You're going to waste money, sure it'll run Minecraft but you should save money on something you can actually customize. HP doesn't let you do anything except turn it on and play. If you plan to overclock and make it faster and better than the price was, get a third party motherboard like MSI - Asus - Gigabyte for example.

But you don't need a $1000 computer, you can run it with a $150 computer like mine.

You can get a simple Core i3 with a good ol' GTS 450. Both parts aren't very expensive and will run Minecraft flawlessly, but you should get about 4GB of ram for Minecraft since it's Java based.

This was a short "idea" of what to get. Don't get prebuilt since they're expensive for junk.


My friend is selling it for $150 to me and I can trust him about it. Can I build something better with that small amount of money? I have no case or other parts onboard.
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April 27, 2013 5:49:01 PM

BeRawhh said:
Soarin said:
That computer you are looking into... stay away of please. Build your own, take your time and read the manual. You're going to waste money, sure it'll run Minecraft but you should save money on something you can actually customize. HP doesn't let you do anything except turn it on and play. If you plan to overclock and make it faster and better than the price was, get a third party motherboard like MSI - Asus - Gigabyte for example.

But you don't need a $1000 computer, you can run it with a $150 computer like mine.

You can get a simple Core i3 with a good ol' GTS 450. Both parts aren't very expensive and will run Minecraft flawlessly, but you should get about 4GB of ram for Minecraft since it's Java based.

This was a short "idea" of what to get. Don't get prebuilt since they're expensive for junk.


My friend is selling it for $150 to me and I can trust him about it. Can I build something better with that small amount of money? I have no case or other parts onboard.


You have a pretty good friend then, because he could sell it for far more than that.

It's impossible to build your own PC for under $300 likely and that's just a basic system. When you build your own system Windows alone will cost roughly $100.

Minecraft isn't very demanding compared to other video games. While that computer isn't really a gaming PC, it should be quite adequate. Here's what you should do:

1) Install FRAPS so you can monitor the frame rate of Minecraft
2) Update your AMD video drivers ( www.amd.com )
3) Install and run Minecraft
4) DISABLE VSYNC in Minecraft
5) Tweak the resolution and quality to the optimal that gets above 60FPS most/all of the time
6) turn VSYNC ON
7) quit displaying the FPS with FRAPS

VSYNC is a feature that prevents screen tearing. You can Google that.
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April 27, 2013 5:58:38 PM

photonboy said:
BeRawhh said:
Soarin said:
That computer you are looking into... stay away of please. Build your own, take your time and read the manual. You're going to waste money, sure it'll run Minecraft but you should save money on something you can actually customize. HP doesn't let you do anything except turn it on and play. If you plan to overclock and make it faster and better than the price was, get a third party motherboard like MSI - Asus - Gigabyte for example.

But you don't need a $1000 computer, you can run it with a $150 computer like mine.

You can get a simple Core i3 with a good ol' GTS 450. Both parts aren't very expensive and will run Minecraft flawlessly, but you should get about 4GB of ram for Minecraft since it's Java based.

This was a short "idea" of what to get. Don't get prebuilt since they're expensive for junk.


My friend is selling it for $150 to me and I can trust him about it. Can I build something better with that small amount of money? I have no case or other parts onboard.


You have a pretty good friend then, because he could sell it for far more than that.

It's impossible to build your own PC for under $300 likely and that's just a basic system. When you build your own system Windows alone will cost roughly $100.

Minecraft isn't very demanding compared to other video games. While that computer isn't really a gaming PC, it should be quite adequate. Here's what you should do:

1) Install FRAPS so you can monitor the frame rate of Minecraft
2) Update your AMD video drivers ( www.amd.com )
3) Install and run Minecraft
4) DISABLE VSYNC in Minecraft
5) Tweak the resolution and quality to the optimal that gets above 60FPS most/all of the time
6) turn VSYNC ON
7) quit displaying the FPS with FRAPS

VSYNC is a feature that prevents screen tearing. You can Google that.


By resolution, do you mean the overall resolution of the screen? Like instead of 1600x900 to 1280x768?
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April 27, 2013 9:27:52 PM

BeRawhh said:
photonboy said:
BeRawhh said:
Soarin said:
That computer you are looking into... stay away of please. Build your own, take your time and read the manual. You're going to waste money, sure it'll run Minecraft but you should save money on something you can actually customize. HP doesn't let you do anything except turn it on and play. If you plan to overclock and make it faster and better than the price was, get a third party motherboard like MSI - Asus - Gigabyte for example.

But you don't need a $1000 computer, you can run it with a $150 computer like mine.

You can get a simple Core i3 with a good ol' GTS 450. Both parts aren't very expensive and will run Minecraft flawlessly, but you should get about 4GB of ram for Minecraft since it's Java based.

This was a short "idea" of what to get. Don't get prebuilt since they're expensive for junk.


My friend is selling it for $150 to me and I can trust him about it. Can I build something better with that small amount of money? I have no case or other parts onboard.


You have a pretty good friend then, because he could sell it for far more than that.

It's impossible to build your own PC for under $300 likely and that's just a basic system. When you build your own system Windows alone will cost roughly $100.

Minecraft isn't very demanding compared to other video games. While that computer isn't really a gaming PC, it should be quite adequate. Here's what you should do:

1) Install FRAPS so you can monitor the frame rate of Minecraft
2) Update your AMD video drivers ( www.amd.com )
3) Install and run Minecraft
4) DISABLE VSYNC in Minecraft
5) Tweak the resolution and quality to the optimal that gets above 60FPS most/all of the time
6) turn VSYNC ON
7) quit displaying the FPS with FRAPS

VSYNC is a feature that prevents screen tearing. You can Google that.


By resolution, do you mean the overall resolution of the screen? Like instead of 1600x900 to 1280x768?


YES.
I really have no idea how your system will perform in Minecraft, but I suspect you may have to make some choices on quality settings. That PC has a 1600x900 maximum resolution. If you can't achieve 60FPS with maximum quality, you may wish to drop down the resolution to 1440x800.

There are many choices you can make if your PC can't run a game at full quality, max resolution for your screen at the max number of frames per second (usually 60FPS) your screen can display.
1) resolution
2) visual quality settings (anti-aliasing, shadows etc)
3) Frame Rate (aim for 60FPS? 30FPS?)

There's some combination of these that's optimal for you.
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April 28, 2013 9:34:51 AM

photonboy said:
BeRawhh said:
photonboy said:
BeRawhh said:
Soarin said:
That computer you are looking into... stay away of please. Build your own, take your time and read the manual. You're going to waste money, sure it'll run Minecraft but you should save money on something you can actually customize. HP doesn't let you do anything except turn it on and play. If you plan to overclock and make it faster and better than the price was, get a third party motherboard like MSI - Asus - Gigabyte for example.

But you don't need a $1000 computer, you can run it with a $150 computer like mine.

You can get a simple Core i3 with a good ol' GTS 450. Both parts aren't very expensive and will run Minecraft flawlessly, but you should get about 4GB of ram for Minecraft since it's Java based.

This was a short "idea" of what to get. Don't get prebuilt since they're expensive for junk.


My friend is selling it for $150 to me and I can trust him about it. Can I build something better with that small amount of money? I have no case or other parts onboard.


You have a pretty good friend then, because he could sell it for far more than that.

It's impossible to build your own PC for under $300 likely and that's just a basic system. When you build your own system Windows alone will cost roughly $100.

Minecraft isn't very demanding compared to other video games. While that computer isn't really a gaming PC, it should be quite adequate. Here's what you should do:

1) Install FRAPS so you can monitor the frame rate of Minecraft
2) Update your AMD video drivers ( www.amd.com )
3) Install and run Minecraft
4) DISABLE VSYNC in Minecraft
5) Tweak the resolution and quality to the optimal that gets above 60FPS most/all of the time
6) turn VSYNC ON
7) quit displaying the FPS with FRAPS

VSYNC is a feature that prevents screen tearing. You can Google that.


By resolution, do you mean the overall resolution of the screen? Like instead of 1600x900 to 1280x768?


YES.
I really have no idea how your system will perform in Minecraft, but I suspect you may have to make some choices on quality settings. That PC has a 1600x900 maximum resolution. If you can't achieve 60FPS with maximum quality, you may wish to drop down the resolution to 1440x800.

There are many choices you can make if your PC can't run a game at full quality, max resolution for your screen at the max number of frames per second (usually 60FPS) your screen can display.
1) resolution
2) visual quality settings (anti-aliasing, shadows etc)
3) Frame Rate (aim for 60FPS? 30FPS?)

There's some combination of these that's optimal for you.


With the max settings I get ~30-50 FPS, without optifine on the newest snapshot. Now with Optifine and on 1.5.1 on the LOWEST SETTINGS I get ~30-50. I will try out changing up the quality setting on the integrated graphics card.
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April 29, 2013 1:57:03 AM

BeRawhh said:
photonboy said:
BeRawhh said:
photonboy said:
BeRawhh said:
Soarin said:
That computer you are looking into... stay away of please. Build your own, take your time and read the manual. You're going to waste money, sure it'll run Minecraft but you should save money on something you can actually customize. HP doesn't let you do anything except turn it on and play. If you plan to overclock and make it faster and better than the price was, get a third party motherboard like MSI - Asus - Gigabyte for example.

But you don't need a $1000 computer, you can run it with a $150 computer like mine.

You can get a simple Core i3 with a good ol' GTS 450. Both parts aren't very expensive and will run Minecraft flawlessly, but you should get about 4GB of ram for Minecraft since it's Java based.

This was a short "idea" of what to get. Don't get prebuilt since they're expensive for junk.


My friend is selling it for $150 to me and I can trust him about it. Can I build something better with that small amount of money? I have no case or other parts onboard.


You have a pretty good friend then, because he could sell it for far more than that.

It's impossible to build your own PC for under $300 likely and that's just a basic system. When you build your own system Windows alone will cost roughly $100.

Minecraft isn't very demanding compared to other video games. While that computer isn't really a gaming PC, it should be quite adequate. Here's what you should do:

1) Install FRAPS so you can monitor the frame rate of Minecraft
2) Update your AMD video drivers ( www.amd.com )
3) Install and run Minecraft
4) DISABLE VSYNC in Minecraft
5) Tweak the resolution and quality to the optimal that gets above 60FPS most/all of the time
6) turn VSYNC ON
7) quit displaying the FPS with FRAPS

VSYNC is a feature that prevents screen tearing. You can Google that.


By resolution, do you mean the overall resolution of the screen? Like instead of 1600x900 to 1280x768?


YES.
I really have no idea how your system will perform in Minecraft, but I suspect you may have to make some choices on quality settings. That PC has a 1600x900 maximum resolution. If you can't achieve 60FPS with maximum quality, you may wish to drop down the resolution to 1440x800.

There are many choices you can make if your PC can't run a game at full quality, max resolution for your screen at the max number of frames per second (usually 60FPS) your screen can display.
1) resolution
2) visual quality settings (anti-aliasing, shadows etc)
3) Frame Rate (aim for 60FPS? 30FPS?)

There's some combination of these that's optimal for you.


With the max settings I get ~30-50 FPS, without optifine on the newest snapshot. Now with Optifine and on 1.5.1 on the LOWEST SETTINGS I get ~30-50. I will try out changing up the quality setting on the integrated graphics card.


Points:
1) Some quality settings in game have a MAJOR impact on frame rate, but a relatively MINOR visual improvement.

2) Running at 30FPS VSYNC'd is another option:
a) through HALF VSYNC in radeonpro, or
b) via enabling VSYNC

Some people claim that if you enable VSYNC at 60FPS that the game will actually drop to 30FPS if it can't actually generate 60FPS (even though FRAPS may say different).

Either way, you should be aiming for the best quality you can get while maintaining 30FPS VSYNC'd.

1) VSYNC OFF
2) Tweak quality settings to achieve minimum 32FPS (possibly drop resolution one notch; keeping same aspect ratio of 16x9)
3) enable VSYNC

RADEONPRO:
1) Drag over the Minecraft EXE file
2) change the VSYNC to "half VSYNC" (forget what it's called; I think it's in the TWEAKS section?)
3) Confirm you get a solid 30FPS with VSYNC ON

Again, I'm not certain if the RadeonPro "half Vsync method" is any different than enabling normal VSYNC in the game in your case as I discussed above. I don't have a Radeon card anymore so I can't experiment with that.
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