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Intel i3 3220 vs AMD A10 5800K - Debate

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April 28, 2013 4:40:56 AM

hi,

i am looking to build a gaming PC for playing normal games and not going too high for the cost.

after checking this bench where the i3 fares better than the A10 and already going through a lot of discussion am confused between the A10 or an i3.

i am thinking of going with the GTX 650 Ti GPU.

i am looking for a setup without a monitor or an optical drive. the budget is INR 30000 which at current fx rates is like USD 550.

i am not a fanboy and wouldn't want our discussion to be fanyboy or flame wars but consider the value for money proposition.

PS - to put things in a better perspective, the PC will still not be my primary gaming machine as my PS3 is still preferred.

thanks :) 
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April 28, 2013 4:51:24 AM

If you going to use a dedicated GPU than the i3 is a better gaming system. If you were to stick with just the integrated GPU's that both of the APU's have, than I would say the A10 is the one to get.
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April 28, 2013 4:51:53 AM

You wouldn't pair a GTX 650 Ti with an A10-5800K.
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April 28, 2013 5:03:30 AM

^ he is going to get gtx 650ti for gaming
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April 28, 2013 5:10:37 AM

ASHISH65 said:
^ he is going to get gtx 650ti for gaming

Was that a direct reply to me?
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April 28, 2013 5:15:07 AM

i mean to say he is going to get gtx 650ti,but confuse on cpu choice?
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April 28, 2013 6:27:35 AM

ksham said:
You wouldn't pair a GTX 650 Ti with an A10-5800K.


You can, but the i3 makes better sense than the A10 for that kind of setup.
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April 28, 2013 6:30:21 AM

with the GTX 650ti, i would go with the i3. the A10 is a push with the i3 on multi-core optimized games but trails on dual core optimized games. the real winner is the i3 sockets upgrade path as you can pick up an i5 down the road. the AMD A10 is the flagship model on its socket.
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April 28, 2013 6:31:34 AM

ksham said:
You wouldn't pair a GTX 650 Ti with an A10-5800K.


you get placed on the terrorist list with that set up or something?
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April 28, 2013 6:35:44 AM

dirtyferret said:
ksham said:
You wouldn't pair a GTX 650 Ti with an A10-5800K.


you get placed on the terrorist list with that set up or something?


:lol: :lol:  ^

i suggest to go with i3

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April 28, 2013 6:48:51 AM

Why get an APU and trash the GPU part of it?
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April 28, 2013 6:54:00 AM

ksham said:
Why get an APU and trash the GPU part of it?


not saying its ideal (or even recommended) but it will work and the A10 is capable enough for modern games

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April 28, 2013 6:58:24 AM

I didn't say you can't. I said you wouldn't.
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April 28, 2013 8:11:05 AM

looking at the replies the verdict seems to be pairing the i3 with the discrete GPU and have an option for upgrading down the road to an i5

but also that the A10 is capable enough for the modern games and considering that the development is leaning towards more threads and core intensive would make the A10 a suitable choice. wouldn't the next in series for AMD's Richland will be on the FM2 will leave an option for upgrade

still the question remains of going with the dual core i3 + GPU or the quad core A10 and save some dough if i do not go for a discrete GPU
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April 28, 2013 9:05:46 AM

Proper comparison is between i3 and FX 6300 due to price, not A10 vs i3.

I would say

FX 6300 > i3 > APU with a dGPU

I realize there are games where i3 is better than FX 6300 however generally the times when FX 6300 is better is when i3 is really struggling and when i3 is better than FX 6300 it's generally when both are offering a good experience.

There are exceptions of course and if you're looking to play Skyrim and Blizzard games i3 would probably be a smarter choice, specially if you don't care about most newer games like BF3 and Crysis 3.
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April 28, 2013 9:21:36 AM

ya but bad luck is fx 6300 is not available in india
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April 28, 2013 9:25:00 AM

blackkstar said:
Proper comparison is between i3 and FX 6300 due to price, not A10 vs i3.

I would say

FX 6300 > i3 > APU with a dGPU

I realize there are games where i3 is better than FX 6300 however generally the times when FX 6300 is better is when i3 is really struggling and when i3 is better than FX 6300 it's generally when both are offering a good experience.

There are exceptions of course and if you're looking to play Skyrim and Blizzard games i3 would probably be a smarter choice, specially if you don't care about most newer games like BF3 and Crysis 3.


yes, but like Ashish has said, unfortunately we do not get to buy the FX 6300 in India as AMD didn't launch it here and for that the comparison is what we could come to, i3 vs A10
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April 28, 2013 5:18:43 PM

FX 6300 > i3 > A10. The FX 6300 on an AM3+ Mobo would be the best bet for the $, IMHO.

Build would look something like this (obviously if the budget is tight things can change):

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($135.34 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.64 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $594.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-28 20:18 EDT-0400)
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April 28, 2013 7:31:45 PM

lunyone said:
FX 6300 > i3 > A10. The FX 6300 on an AM3+ Mobo would be the best bet for the $, IMHO.

Build would look something like this (obviously if the budget is tight things can change):

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($135.34 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.64 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $594.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-28 20:18 EDT-0400)


nice of you to ship that all to india for him :pfff: 

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April 28, 2013 7:38:05 PM

BombayBoy said:
blackkstar said:
Proper comparison is between i3 and FX 6300 due to price, not A10 vs i3.

I would say

FX 6300 > i3 > APU with a dGPU

I realize there are games where i3 is better than FX 6300 however generally the times when FX 6300 is better is when i3 is really struggling and when i3 is better than FX 6300 it's generally when both are offering a good experience.

There are exceptions of course and if you're looking to play Skyrim and Blizzard games i3 would probably be a smarter choice, specially if you don't care about most newer games like BF3 and Crysis 3.


yes, but like Ashish has said, unfortunately we do not get to buy the FX 6300 in India as AMD didn't launch it here and for that the comparison is what we could come to, i3 vs A10


dirtyferret said:
lunyone said:
FX 6300 > i3 > A10. The FX 6300 on an AM3+ Mobo would be the best bet for the $, IMHO.

Build would look something like this (obviously if the budget is tight things can change):

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($135.34 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.64 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $594.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-28 20:18 EDT-0400)


nice of you to ship that all to india for him :pfff: 



BTW, it was just an example. The FX 6100 (which I believe is in India) would be a bit comparable. I know there prices over there (India) are quite a bit more than here. I was just showing what I'd look at, if it was possible to get.

Now the Phenom II x4 955/965 BE would be better than an i3, when multitasking. It would be comparable to the i3 in gaming, but it might also be better priced (if available).
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April 29, 2013 11:17:19 AM

An i3 is better in gaming than a 6300 no doubt about it. All the benchmarks tell us this. The thing is, the FX6300 is a LOT better in multithreaded applications and the like. The i3 is a LOTTT better in single threaded applications or applications that use 4 or less cores.

So it's a balancing act your playing. Which place do I want to be strong and which place do I want to be weaker. Being that this is a gaming rig, and games use 4 cores or less. The i3 will definitely be a better choise for sure. There's not a doubt in my mind it will.

Overall, I think the 6300 is a better overall processor because of it's dominance in multithreading. But the i3 does dominate in single threaded apps, and wins in games.

And the last I checked, the A105800k was 129.99, the same price as an i3 3225. Although you can get an i3 3220 for only 113.99.

i3 wins. Thread solved.

Edit: The FX6100 shouldn't be considered. It's total lack on single threaded capabilities and just the overall failure of this generation should count it out as a legit choice.

Another good option to consider if you have this option, would be the FX4300 for 109.99. It's just as good as the FX6300 in games and it costs less, and performs the same in lightly threaded workloads. The downfalls compared to the FX6300 is that it's exactly 50% slower in multithreaded programs.
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April 29, 2013 11:47:27 AM

Finally, after much consideration -

i have fixed the config with

CPU Intel i3 3220
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2H
Memory Corsair 4GB DDR3
Storage WD Blue 1TB
Video Card Asus NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 TI 1 GB GDDR5
Case NZXT Gamma
Power Supply Corsair CMPSU-430CXV2UK 430 Watts PSU

no optical drive. using one of the existing TV's for display via HDMI and the old keyboard mouse

is it ok? any improvements? am almost at budget or over by 5%

thanks :) 
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April 29, 2013 12:13:12 PM

Nope, I don't see anything that could be better. Maybe the case. As I'd go with a Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 for 69.99. And I would get the clear side window for an additional 25$. Which turns out to be a 90+ dollar case. But personally, I have to have the best case as I have to look at that thing for years. And I like a good sleek sexy mature looking case like the Arc Midi or the R4. The picture I have on my profile is of the R4 with Window, that's my build. If you like it you can get one. They normally go for 119.99.

Also make sure that your RAM is 1600mhz and not 1066 or 1333. Just to get the best performance.
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April 29, 2013 12:35:55 PM

I'd change the motherboard too and get this one.

http://www.amazon.com/LGA1155-Z77-CrossFireX-Motherboar...

It has all the features you could want and it's also a Z77 board. Which is the best. And if you wanted to upgrade to a 3570k later and you want to overclock, this board can do it too. And for only 79.99, you can't beat that. There's no other boards in this price range that offer this much. You can even overclock your i3 from 3.1 to 3.4 if you wanted to with this board.
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April 29, 2013 4:51:48 PM

ericjohn004 said:
I'd change the motherboard too and get this one.

http://www.amazon.com/LGA1155-Z77-CrossFireX-Motherboar...

It has all the features you could want and it's also a Z77 board. Which is the best. And if you wanted to upgrade to a 3570k later and you want to overclock, this board can do it too. And for only 79.99, you can't beat that. There's no other boards in this price range that offer this much. You can even overclock your i3 from 3.1 to 3.4 if you wanted to with this board.


The OP lives in India, so they don't have access to the parts your recommending.
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April 29, 2013 8:47:11 PM

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An i3 is better in gaming than a 6300 no doubt about it.


Depends on the title. The past year has seen gaming change from a "dual core is all you need" into requiring four or more actual cores. Any dual core solution will quickly be outdated and need replacing, that replacing is extra money that needs to be considered when doing builds. My suggestion is get a low end i5 or the fx-6300 if possible. Also when using terms "destroys" try to have context, a difference of 5fps is not "destroys". Stay away from dual core solutions for new builds, you'll just end up spending more later.
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April 29, 2013 11:12:07 PM

lunyone said:
ericjohn004 said:
I'd change the motherboard too and get this one.

http://www.amazon.com/LGA1155-Z77-CrossFireX-Motherboar...

It has all the features you could want and it's also a Z77 board. Which is the best. And if you wanted to upgrade to a 3570k later and you want to overclock, this board can do it too. And for only 79.99, you can't beat that. There's no other boards in this price range that offer this much. You can even overclock your i3 from 3.1 to 3.4 if you wanted to with this board.


The OP lives in India, so they don't have access to the parts your recommending.


yes, we dont get many of these parts here and the price difference is considerable
also, i ain't looking to over clock or cross fire and USB 3 ain't required

palladin9479 said:
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An i3 is better in gaming than a 6300 no doubt about it.


Depends on the title. The past year has seen gaming change from a "dual core is all you need" into requiring four or more actual cores. Any dual core solution will quickly be outdated and need replacing, that replacing is extra money that needs to be considered when doing builds. My suggestion is get a low end i5 or the fx-6300 if possible. Also when using terms "destroys" try to have context, a difference of 5fps is not "destroys". Stay away from dual core solutions for new builds, you'll just end up spending more later.


well, they are moving to even coding and developing with those cores and also the PS4 will be on the x86 and the studios will be coding for the PC/PS4 together isn't it? in that case would you suggest waiting for the PS4 launch ;)  i wouldn't want to be stuck with a build that won't let me enjoy the newer releases then.
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May 20, 2013 3:43:24 AM

Hi,

an update -

the purchase is still not done and i have someone travelling to San Francisco and Sonoma (CA) tonight
could you help me with a deal for Intel i5 if it can be delivered to either of the places?
i checked the price of i5 3470 at newegg and it comes to USD 199.85 (the price difference @flipkart.com in India is just like USD 12, which ain't really much)
any inputs?
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