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Should a buy the AMD FX 8350 with a GTX 660 or a i5 3550 with a GTX 650 ti 1GB.

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April 29, 2013 8:38:10 AM

Well the title says it, which pair should I get.
Also will the AMD FX 8350 bottleneck the GTX 660 because I would like it to last at least 5 year
April 29, 2013 8:43:48 AM

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FX 8350 with GTX660


Ok thanks I probably get that I that was my plan anyway unless anyone can persuade me to go with the other option
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April 29, 2013 8:47:21 AM

yes and no with the bottleneck question.

it depends on what you're doing. if you're doing something cpu intensive, or dependent (Battlefield 3 or Civ 5 for example), then yes, you'll take a hit going with the FX chip over the intel.

All things being equal and you're not playing a CPU dependent game... then no. you won't take a hit playing with the FX.

and when i say "take a hit" understand what i'm saying. Your FPS will be measurably lower. Chances are however the play experience will be very close to identical. I have a PhII x4 965, and the play experience with this CPU is basically identical to an i5-3570k. My budies with that chip are constantly trying to find ways to "get more" out of it because they think it should look and play measurably better then my cpu.

The fact of the matter is, the high end cpus are all so close to eachother in terms of performance you can't really tell the difference unless you have a stopwatch out during boot, or when unzipping huge files.

I would suggest you drop down to a FX8320, take the few saved extra bucks and get a 7870 XT, that will play perceptibly better in every situation to the i5 and 650ti.
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April 29, 2013 8:51:04 AM

ingtar33 said:
yes and no with the bottleneck question.

it depends on what you're doing. if you're doing something cpu intensive, or dependent (Battlefield 3 or Civ 5 for example), then yes, you'll take a hit going with the FX chip over the intel.

All things being equal and you're not playing a CPU dependent game... then no. you won't take a hit playing with the FX.

and when i say "take a hit" understand what i'm saying. Your FPS will be measurably lower. Chances are however the play experience will be very close to identical. I have a PhII x4 965, and the play experience with this CPU is basically identical to an i5-3570k. My budies with that chip are constantly trying to find ways to "get more" out of it because they think it should look and play measurably better then my cpu.

The fact of the matter is, the high end cpus are all so close to eachother in terms of performance you can't really tell the difference unless you have a stopwatch out during boot, or when unzipping huge files.

I would suggest you drop down to a FX8320, take the few saved extra bucks and get a 7870 XT, that will play perceptibly better in every situation to the i5 and 650ti.


For the bottleneck question, I'll only be playing the total war games so will it bottleneck in less than 5 year or not do you think
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April 29, 2013 8:52:25 AM

total war series ARE cpu dependent.

if that's all you plan to play i suggest you go with an overclockable intel. A properly overclocked intel will play visibly better then the fx in that series (as in your play experience will be perceptibly better)

however now we're bumping your budget around a bit.
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April 29, 2013 9:00:30 AM



ingtar33 said:
total war series ARE cpu dependent.

if that's all you plan to play i suggest you go with an overclockable intel. A properly overclocked intel will play visibly better then the fx in that series (as in your play experience will be perceptibly better)

however now we're bumping your budget around a bit.


Yeah lol I could get option 2 but get the i5 3570. I don't want to get the K as I'm not sure how to overclock
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April 29, 2013 9:16:40 AM

The 3550 costs more than the 3570k on newegg so id get the 3570k....you may not want to OC now but it keeps your options open as the machine gets older and has a harder time keeping up.

If you shop carefully, you can get the 600 with the intel CPU.

The 650 Ti Boost is $150 for the 1Gb and $170 for the 2GB .... the 2GB 660's start at just $20 more.

The MoBo / CPU combo here gives ya $55 discount and 515 MIR, easily eating the cost difference between the two cards

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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April 29, 2013 9:25:51 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
The 3550 costs more than the 3570k on newegg so id get the 3570k....you may not want to OC now but it keeps your options open as the machine gets older and has a harder time keeping up.

If you shop carefully, you can get the 600 with the intel CPU.

The 650 Ti Boost is $150 for the 1Gb and $170 for the 2GB .... the 2GB 660's start at just $20 more.

The MoBo / CPU combo here gives ya $55 discount and 515 MIR, easily eating the cost difference between the two cards

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I'll get the K version then. With the graphics card, I have to see how much all the other parts cost first before getting the GTX 660 but at minimum ill get the 650 ti 2 GB. If I only play total war does anyone know if the 650 ti or 660 will be bottlenecked by the i5 3570k and if so how long will it last? Thanks for the advise

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April 29, 2013 1:05:11 PM

the 650ti boost isn't strong enough to utilize 2gb of memory. it's a marketing gimic/waste of cash. AMD does it too... both the 7770 and 7790 are too weak to use 2gb of memory... frankly the 7850 is too weak to use 2gb unless you're xfiring it.

Really a 660/7870 is about the lower limit to needing 2gb of video ram.

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April 29, 2013 11:03:57 PM

ingtar33 said:
the 650ti boost isn't strong enough to utilize 2gb of memory. it's a marketing gimic/waste of cash. AMD does it too... both the 7770 and 7790 are too weak to use 2gb of memory... frankly the 7850 is too weak to use 2gb unless you're xfiring it.

Really a 660/7870 is about the lower limit to needing 2gb of video ram.



So I should get the GTX 650 ti 1GB
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April 29, 2013 11:38:27 PM

No , if you want to play Total War Series Games , I guess a i5-3570K is good. But a 650Ti Boost or Radeon 7790 is IMO atleast needed. However a AMD FX 8350 + any 990FX Motherboard + Radeon 7790 or GTX 650Ti BOOST with 1GB of DDR5 VRAM is good for any Total War Game. AMD FX 8350 can OC much more higher compared to a i5-3570K and is a bit cheap. If you can afford , buy a good CPU cooler like a 212 EVO or a good water cooler.
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April 29, 2013 11:44:00 PM

CommentariesAnd More said:
No , if you want to play Total War Series Games , I guess a i5-3570K is good. But a 650Ti Boost or Radeon 7790 is IMO atleast needed. However a AMD FX 8350 + any 990FX Motherboard + Radeon 7790 or GTX 650Ti BOOST with 1GB of DDR5 VRAM is good for any Total War Game. AMD FX 8350 can OC much more higher compared to a i5-3570K and is a bit cheap. If you can afford , buy a good CPU cooler like a 212 EVO or a good water cooler.


Ok thanks. I'll get the i5 3570k with a GTX 650 ti boost then. I'll also put a bit of money into a good cooler as well. My case im planing on getting is a zalmon z11 plus which I think has a good air flow as well anyway
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April 30, 2013 4:23:51 AM

Kingfirespark said:
CommentariesAnd More said:
No , if you want to play Total War Series Games , I guess a i5-3570K is good. But a 650Ti Boost or Radeon 7790 is IMO atleast needed. However a AMD FX 8350 + any 990FX Motherboard + Radeon 7790 or GTX 650Ti BOOST with 1GB of DDR5 VRAM is good for any Total War Game. AMD FX 8350 can OC much more higher compared to a i5-3570K and is a bit cheap. If you can afford , buy a good CPU cooler like a 212 EVO or a good water cooler.


Ok thanks. I'll get the i5 3570k with a GTX 650 ti boost then. I'll also put a bit of money into a good cooler as well. My case im planing on getting is a zalmon z11 plus which I think has a good air flow as well anyway


Good , buy a i5-3570K but dont expect it to last good for 5 years. If you want something to kick ass for the next 5 years , a i7-3770K is atleast needed. A 2GB 650Ti Boost will be good. If you want something to play games for 3 years a i5-3570K is good.
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April 30, 2013 5:28:02 AM

Kingfirespark said:
CommentariesAnd More said:
No , if you want to play Total War Series Games , I guess a i5-3570K is good. But a 650Ti Boost or Radeon 7790 is IMO atleast needed. However a AMD FX 8350 + any 990FX Motherboard + Radeon 7790 or GTX 650Ti BOOST with 1GB of DDR5 VRAM is good for any Total War Game. AMD FX 8350 can OC much more higher compared to a i5-3570K and is a bit cheap. If you can afford , buy a good CPU cooler like a 212 EVO or a good water cooler.


Ok thanks. I'll get the i5 3570k with a GTX 650 ti boost then. I'll also put a bit of money into a good cooler as well. My case im planing on getting is a zalmon z11 plus which I think has a good air flow as well anyway


Good , buy a i5-3570K but dont expect it to last good for 5 years. If you want something to kick ass for the next 5 years , a i7-3770K is atleast needed. A 2GB 650Ti Boost will be good. If you want something to play games for 3 years a i5-3570K is good.
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April 30, 2013 8:44:59 AM

CommentariesAnd More said:
Kingfirespark said:
CommentariesAnd More said:
No , if you want to play Total War Series Games , I guess a i5-3570K is good. But a 650Ti Boost or Radeon 7790 is IMO atleast needed. However a AMD FX 8350 + any 990FX Motherboard + Radeon 7790 or GTX 650Ti BOOST with 1GB of DDR5 VRAM is good for any Total War Game. AMD FX 8350 can OC much more higher compared to a i5-3570K and is a bit cheap. If you can afford , buy a good CPU cooler like a 212 EVO or a good water cooler.


Ok thanks. I'll get the i5 3570k with a GTX 650 ti boost then. I'll also put a bit of money into a good cooler as well. My case im planing on getting is a zalmon z11 plus which I think has a good air flow as well anyway


Good , buy a i5-3570K but dont expect it to last good for 5 years. If you want something to kick ass for the next 5 years , a i7-3770K is atleast needed. A 2GB 650Ti Boost will be good. If you want something to play games for 3 years a i5-3570K is good.


Say the processor died in 3 year. Would I be able to buy a new processor to replace it because all the other parts should be fine. I if the GPU dies, couldn't I replace that as well
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April 30, 2013 10:45:45 AM

Kingfirespark said:
CommentariesAnd More said:
Kingfirespark said:
CommentariesAnd More said:
No , if you want to play Total War Series Games , I guess a i5-3570K is good. But a 650Ti Boost or Radeon 7790 is IMO atleast needed. However a AMD FX 8350 + any 990FX Motherboard + Radeon 7790 or GTX 650Ti BOOST with 1GB of DDR5 VRAM is good for any Total War Game. AMD FX 8350 can OC much more higher compared to a i5-3570K and is a bit cheap. If you can afford , buy a good CPU cooler like a 212 EVO or a good water cooler.


Ok thanks. I'll get the i5 3570k with a GTX 650 ti boost then. I'll also put a bit of money into a good cooler as well. My case im planing on getting is a zalmon z11 plus which I think has a good air flow as well anyway


Good , buy a i5-3570K but dont expect it to last good for 5 years. If you want something to kick ass for the next 5 years , a i7-3770K is atleast needed. A 2GB 650Ti Boost will be good. If you want something to play games for 3 years a i5-3570K is good.


Say the processor died in 3 year. Would I be able to buy a new processor to replace it because all the other parts should be fine. I if the GPU dies, couldn't I replace that as well


I didn't mean that it will die. I meant that might not be able to play Total War Games released a few years later since they are CPU Dependent , So an i7-3770K is the best option from the LGA 1155 family. PC Parts don't simply die , Even under full load and high OC's Intel K series last for 2-5 years. Anyways if you cant afford an i7 , Buy a i5-3570K. BTW there's a 60-40 Chance of Will Play-Will Not Play. So get a 2GB 650Ti Boost and i5-3570K. But be ready to OC after 3-4 years later. And buy a 2GB DDR5 , since 2GB will give you more FPS and less lags at higher resolution which is worth that 10-40 bucks more you pay. More ever if you SLI later on , 2GB will be needed atleast. Here's a comparison -
650Ti Boost 1GB DDR5 SLI -
500MB for each GPU ( Since SLI/CFX DOES NOT INCREASE VRAM )
650Ti Boost 2GB DDR5 SLI -
1GB for each GPU.

That extra 1 GB VRAM will help you alot. Thats it. Another tip is , if you can try a Microcenter , they have some crazy combos.
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April 30, 2013 12:07:24 PM

CommentariesAnd More said:
Kingfirespark said:
CommentariesAnd More said:
Kingfirespark said:
CommentariesAnd More said:
No , if you want to play Total War Series Games , I guess a i5-3570K is good. But a 650Ti Boost or Radeon 7790 is IMO atleast needed. However a AMD FX 8350 + any 990FX Motherboard + Radeon 7790 or GTX 650Ti BOOST with 1GB of DDR5 VRAM is good for any Total War Game. AMD FX 8350 can OC much more higher compared to a i5-3570K and is a bit cheap. If you can afford , buy a good CPU cooler like a 212 EVO or a good water cooler.


Ok thanks. I'll get the i5 3570k with a GTX 650 ti boost then. I'll also put a bit of money into a good cooler as well. My case im planing on getting is a zalmon z11 plus which I think has a good air flow as well anyway


Good , buy a i5-3570K but dont expect it to last good for 5 years. If you want something to kick ass for the next 5 years , a i7-3770K is atleast needed. A 2GB 650Ti Boost will be good. If you want something to play games for 3 years a i5-3570K is good.


Say the processor died in 3 year. Would I be able to buy a new processor to replace it because all the other parts should be fine. I if the GPU dies, couldn't I replace that as well


I didn't mean that it will die. I meant that might not be able to play Total War Games released a few years later since they are CPU Dependent , So an i7-3770K is the best option from the LGA 1155 family. PC Parts don't simply die , Even under full load and high OC's Intel K series last for 2-5 years. Anyways if you cant afford an i7 , Buy a i5-3570K. BTW there's a 60-40 Chance of Will Play-Will Not Play. So get a 2GB 650Ti Boost and i5-3570K. But be ready to OC after 3-4 years later. And buy a 2GB DDR5 , since 2GB will give you more FPS and less lags at higher resolution which is worth that 10-40 bucks more you pay. More ever if you SLI later on , 2GB will be needed atleast. Here's a comparison -
650Ti Boost 1GB DDR5 SLI -
500MB for each GPU ( Since SLI/CFX DOES NOT INCREASE VRAM )
650Ti Boost 2GB DDR5 SLI -
1GB for each GPU.

That extra 1 GB VRAM will help you alot. Thats it. Another tip is , if you can try a Microcenter , they have some crazy combos.


Oh, thanks, I'll do that, I'll now click solved.
Thanks for the input everyone
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