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GTX 680 FTW+ or Wait for 780?

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April 29, 2013 7:58:47 PM

So i've been waiting a very long time to finally order all the components for my first gaming computer build, and right when i'm about to pick up a 680 with 4 gigs of vram, I hear that the 780 is just around the corner. I'm not sure exactly when its going to come out though, some say within the next month, others say not until the end of the year. All i know is i'm not gonna sit back and wait anywhere past the end of may. Does anyone know when exactly these should hit the market and how much will they cost? (hopefully no more than $600, i've heard many numbers thrown around.) I just don't know whether it's worth waiting, and I'm afraid to give in to my eagerness and purchase a 680 just before the 780 comes out for the same price. Someone please help me out with this tough decision and if you have any clear info on whats going on with the 700 series i would love to know it. Thanks! :D 

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April 29, 2013 8:05:17 PM

Caliaton said:
So i've been waiting a very long time to finally order all the components for my first gaming computer build, and right when i'm about to pick up a 680 with 4 gigs of vram, I hear that the 780 is just around the corner. I'm not sure exactly when its going to come out though, some say within the next month, others say not until the end of the year. All i know is i'm not gonna sit back and wait anywhere past the end of may. Does anyone know when exactly these should hit the market and how much will they cost? (hopefully no more than $600, i've heard many numbers thrown around.) I just don't know whether it's worth waiting, and I'm afraid to give in to my eagerness and purchase a 680 just before the 780 comes out for the same price. Someone please help me out with this tough decision and if you have any clear info on whats going on with the 700 series i would love to know it. Thanks! :D 


If I were you I would be patient and grab a 700 series card. What I have heard is that Nvidia is releasing a revised version of Kepler early (as in within a few months) to compete with AMD (specifically AMD's screamin' game bundle's). I waited for the 600 series when I got my 670 and it was well worth it. It's better to be patient. And I would speculate that the 780 will cost ~500-600 bucks, but I doubt it would be any more expensive, as nobody would be able to afford them.
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April 29, 2013 8:07:04 PM

The 680 with 4gb is a waste of money. Get 2x 670 in SLI or 7970 GHZ Edition.
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April 29, 2013 8:12:56 PM

The GTX700 will be a good deal. Be patient & wait for it.
First time I used nvidia I got the GTX260 55n then I left the GTX400 & picked the GTX560Ti then left the GTX600 then I will get the GTX700 once been released. It's like Intel's tick tock if you know it :) 
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April 29, 2013 8:17:24 PM

What's your monitor setup?

1) The 680 is only about 5% faster than a good 670, but it costs 25% more. That means you're paying another $100 for 4-6fps which are wasted on a 60Hz monitor anyways - the 670 will max pretty much every game at more than 60 fps.

2) Buying a 4GB card is pointless unless you want to max AA and AF on a triple monitor setup. More VRAM under most conditions gives absolutely zero benefit. It works like the RAM in your computer - if you don't have enough, it's a huge upgrade, but if you do have enough, then it does nothing. 2GB is more than enough for a 1080p or 1440p, and will do fine on a triple 1080p monitor setup with x4 AA and AF... which is decent anyways.
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April 29, 2013 8:35:02 PM

I too will be interested in the 700 series and have some questions that may help the op and myself understand more.

Investing in a graphics card with high amount of vram with only 256bit interface has me a little worried. The 770 is rumored to have 4gb and 256bit whilst the 780 5gb with 320bit.

How efficient is 256bit toward a 4gb card? And would it be better off getting the 780 even if the price is 200dollars more simply for 320bit and possibly being more efficient pumping data through 4gb vram or more?

For single and/or multi screen setups, if some games and visual mods can almost max out 2gb vram @ 1080p today, what will the future bring in terms of vram demand and what would be the bit interface recommendation towards efficiently using large sums of vram?

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April 29, 2013 8:39:26 PM

First, it's hard to make recommendations as you haven't stated your resolution or number of screens. Therefore, it's impossible to say how much RAM, what card, etc.

As far as the FTW series, it's limited by an 8 phase VRM. The Asus DCII has 10 phases, MSI Lightning has 11 giving them a leg up on manual overclocking ability.

The 780's are expected by June 3
tp://videocardz.com/nvidia/geforce-700/geforce-gtx-780
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-700...

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MSRP pricing for the GTX 780 is said to be between $499 and $599, the GTX 770 $399, and the GTX 760 Ti $299. While all of these details remain unconfirmed, it would be great if they are true.


However that's when we'll see the reference cards, I don't expect we'll see the good non-reference designs for 2 or 3 months thereafter
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April 29, 2013 9:02:40 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
First, it's hard to make recommendations as you haven't stated your resolution or number of screens. Therefore, it's impossible to say how much RAM, what card, etc.

As far as the FTW series, it's limited by an 8 phase VRM. The Asus DCII has 10 phases, MSI Lightning has 11 giving them a leg up on manual overclocking ability.

The 780's are expected by June 3
tp://videocardz.com/nvidia/geforce-700/geforce-gtx-780
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-700...

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MSRP pricing for the GTX 780 is said to be between $499 and $599, the GTX 770 $399, and the GTX 760 Ti $299. While all of these details remain unconfirmed, it would be great if they are true.


However that's when we'll see the reference cards, I don't expect we'll see the good non-reference designs for 2 or 3 months thereafter


I will be playing at 1920x1080 with one monitor to start off, but i will probably expand to multiple monitors sometime in the future. Also, i'm trying to play it safe by getting a 680 with 4 gb of ram because it seems that games are starting to use more vram and im afraid that 2gb wont be enough in the future. It may seem like a waste, but it sorta gives me peace of mind (well besides the 700 series problem)



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April 29, 2013 9:18:17 PM

Even if you really want 4GB, why a 680? It's only 5% faster than a 670, but costs 25% more... And since both games max out games with ease, there's really no practical benefit at all for your $100 more.
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April 29, 2013 9:29:43 PM

JackNaylorPE said:

As far as the FTW series, it's limited by an 8 phase VRM. The Asus DCII has 10 phases, MSI Lightning has 11 giving them a leg up on manual overclocking ability.
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You guy's are always forgetting to mention "Greenlight" nivida's bane.
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April 29, 2013 9:30:55 PM

DarkSable said:
Even if you really want 4GB, why a 680? It's only 5% faster than a 670, but costs 25% more... And since both games max out games with ease, there's really no practical benefit at all for your $100 more.


You know, i just realized that i could just get 2 670's and put them into SLI provided i cut down my processor from a 3570k to a 3770k, but i have a couple questions for everyone on the subject of this: how many watt psu would i need for two 670's, and would a 3570k bottleneck them in any way?

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April 29, 2013 9:31:39 PM

*3770k to 3570k*
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April 29, 2013 9:31:55 PM

Caliaton said:

4 gb of ram because it seems that games are starting to use more vram and im afraid that 2gb wont be enough in the future. It may seem like a waste, but it sorta gives me peace of mind (well besides the 700 series problem)


That's the type of attitude nvidia banks on. more Vram means absolutely nothing other than nvidia getting richer.
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April 29, 2013 9:38:46 PM

Caliaton said:
DarkSable said:
Even if you really want 4GB, why a 680? It's only 5% faster than a 670, but costs 25% more... And since both games max out games with ease, there's really no practical benefit at all for your $100 more.


You know, i just realized that i could just get 2 670's and put them into SLI provided i cut down my processor from a 3570k to a 3770k, but i have a couple questions for everyone on the subject of this: how many watt psu would i need for two 670's, and would a 3570k bottleneck them in any way?

You need 750+ watts and bottlenecking shouldn't be a big problem.
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April 29, 2013 9:41:06 PM

Caliaton said:
You know, i just realized that i could just get 2 670's and put them into SLI provided i cut down my processor from a 3570k to a 3770k, but i have a couple questions for everyone on the subject of this: how many watt psu would i need for two 670's, and would a 3570k bottleneck them in any way?


You'd want a good quality 750w power supply. Also, if the 3570k would bottleneck them (which it won't), so would a 3770k.

The ONLY difference between the 3570k and the 3770k is that the i7 has hyperthreading, which games for the most part don't use (the ones that claim to actually run faster with hyperthreading off), and likely won't use in the future. That means that, for gaming, a 3770k and a 3570k are exactly the same.

The 3570k is also the BEST sub $600 processor you can get for gaming. It's not going to bottleneck a pair of 670s with even a slight overclock.
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April 29, 2013 9:56:34 PM

DarkSable said:
Caliaton said:
You know, i just realized that i could just get 2 670's and put them into SLI provided i cut down my processor from a 3570k to a 3770k, but i have a couple questions for everyone on the subject of this: how many watt psu would i need for two 670's, and would a 3570k bottleneck them in any way?


You'd want a good quality 750w power supply. Also, if the 3570k would bottleneck them (which it won't), so would a 3770k.

The ONLY difference between the 3570k and the 3770k is that the i7 has hyperthreading, which games for the most part don't use (the ones that claim to actually run faster with hyperthreading off), and likely won't use in the future. That means that, for gaming, a 3770k and a 3570k are exactly the same.

The 3570k is also the BEST sub $600 processor you can get for gaming. It's not going to bottleneck a pair of 670s with even a slight overclock.


This is starting to sound better and better. The only question is now; 2 670's or wait for 770's? (back to the next gen problem again) :p 
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April 29, 2013 10:11:01 PM

Caliaton said:
This is starting to sound better and better. The only question is now; 2 670's or wait for 770's? (back to the next gen problem again) :p 


Well, that's a good question. The 700 series is going to come out in may. That being said, it's only a refresh of kepler, not a new architecture - that means it's not really going to be that large of a performance increase - 15% at the very very maximum; more like half that, likely. There's also the question of if Nvidia is going to do again what they did with the 600 series - release the 780 and then, a few months later, release the 770 which represents insanely better value.

I would personally go with a single 670 right now. It's enough to max basically any game on a 1080p, 60Hz screen. Then if you find yourself wanting more performance later, you can grab a second 670 for even less money after the 700 series is released.

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April 29, 2013 10:56:47 PM

evga step up program might be very useful for you if u really cant wait for the 700 series but its suppose to hit the market at the end of may.
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April 29, 2013 11:29:43 PM

^That's actually quite a good point, especially since EVGA has good cards with amazing warranties.
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May 3, 2013 12:35:10 AM

I wouldn't get a 670 when a new series is right around the corner. My 670 is really good, I won't deny that, but in Crysis 3 and Far Cry 3, for example, you won't be maxing those games out. Granted the engines are similar and those are some seriously graphically intensive games, but with the release of Frostbite 3 soon, more and more games will become this demanding and that 15~20 % performance difference for the same price might just be worth the wait. Just my opinion, take it or leave it.
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May 3, 2013 12:50:09 AM

700 series won't come out till later this year or maybe even early next year, but if you already have a passable card just wait it out.
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