Upgrading AMD Phenom II X6 1045T Processor

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I'm looking to upgrade my AMD Phenom II X6 processor but am having trouble deciding between a few choices. Would going from this processor to an Intel 3570K be a downgrade? I mostly use this computer for Premiere Pro and Photoshop, some gaming in there too. I'm also looking at the AMD 8350 but am thinking about power consumption at the same time. I will also consider the i7 3770K as well but it'll take some convincing. What will give me the better performance overall?
 

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I've been looking at the 3770K and it's pretty affordable from Micro Center. However, I just came across the Intel E3 1230V2 that is pretty close to the 3770K without the onboard GPU. I don't think I need the onboard GPU as I already have a GTX 560Ti. Just want to make sure that is correct? Also, I read on some of these processors they only work with ECC ram. Will the 1230V2 work with regular ram? Specifically the G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB.

For the motherboard I'm looking at either ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA - GIGABYTE GA-Z77-DS3H - ASRock Z77 EXTREME4 just haven't really researched them yet.

Just want to make sure that's all compatible. Taking any recommendations, I do a lot of video editing/processing, graphic design stuff.
 

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Exactly what I'm thinking! Haswell is not a big jump. Honestly I wouldn't even consider upgrading your CPU until steamroller, its rumored to be a 30% performance increase! Your current CPU is still quite powerful
 

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Haswell is rumored to overclock to 6GHz on air.
Steamroller is rumored to be 30% faster than Bulldozer, not Piledriver.
 

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You might aswell do a background check on the cpu's around the globe atm and see how much difference you are getting on the programs you are using, i am gaming with a phenom II 555 and i am ok playing in medium graphs with a gtx 260, so gaming is not your problem here. Check if premiere pro and photoshop actually take advantage of hyperthread before you move to i7 of upcoming haswell i7 cpus. Other than that i5 3570k is atm the best seller with lower watt consumption (77w) and i guess your editing programs draw all the cpu power so yeah 8350 will be at max WATT (125w) while you do your work.
 

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It'll draw more power editing but it will edit much faster, comparable to the i7-3770k

 

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Funny, seems like a troll has arrived! Just like Pentium 4 would be clocked at 10ghz right? No its a 30% increase over piledriver
 

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Well then up to you, all these situations require a small calculation of you current electrical company charges :vip:
 

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Do you even know what "troll" is?
AMD never stated if the 30% projected improvement is over Piledriver (give source if you are not the one trolling here).

It will most likely be 30% over Bulldozer and ~15% over Piledriver at same clocks. Since it might clock higher at stock, Steamroller might be 30% over Piledriver as in 5GHz SR vs 4GHz PD.
 

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That might happen is one or two specific AMD favoring apps. But as Tom's own article shows, 3770K not only is using less energy, but it also completes tasks faster than 8350 on average which gives these final results on power consumption:

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Add overclocking into it and you'll end up with 2x as much electricity used to complete the same task with 8350 over 3770.
 

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Source? 30% over bulldozer makes sense. But over piledriver? I'm very skeptical of that....
 

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Honestly its just something I've heard in forums and stuff, there's no official stuff, personally I'm thinking 15-20% probably
 

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Obviously the i7 is a much better cpu overall, but for the price the FX is competitive in mutitreaded tasks and is much better then the i5 with which it competes
 

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http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-pushes-steamroller-and-excavator-forward-bullish-about-performance-increases/17088.html

According to Mark Papermaster, the improvements should yield up to 30% performance increase, but our engineer sources inside the company beg to differ.

"Steamroller is not Bulldozer Enhanced. No. The layout might look the same but our LEGO blocks are completely different. When all is said and done we should get 45% improvement over Bulldozer and this goes to show how the Bulldozer was a rushed design. This is all what Bulldozer was supposed to be."


http://techreport.com/review/23485/amd-cto-reveals-first-steamroller-details

Overall, these changes add up to a whopping 30% improvement in ops dispatched per clock cycle—and these numbers are based on simulation, not just hopeful estimation. Even more notably, this 30% figure comes from simulated client-focused workloads, including "digital media, productivity and gaming applications," not just the server-class applications for which the original Bulldozer core was so obviously tuned.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/29/amd_papermaster_steamroller_seamicro_opteron/

Add all the changes up on the integer side of the core module and there will be a 30 per cent increase in operations per clock cycle for Steamroller over Piledriver.

Sounds like 30% over PD to me...unless you think the CTO would lie to the press?
 

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Thank you!
 

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I'll look at 2013 sources. Thanks for the outdated info.

If Haswell overclocking rumors turn out to be BS, I will wait for Steamroller to upgrade my 1055T, but I doubt it will be any better vs. Haswell as Piledriver vs. Ivy is now.
 

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Outdated? 6-8 months ago is outdated? They haven't talked about steamroller much lately...other than to say that Kaveri is coming. Plus, Jim Keller is the head of that project, he designed the K7/K8 architecture back when AMD was well ahead in terms of performance. Apple stole him away for a while, but we stole him back :)