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May 4, 2013 9:09:11 PM

Hello,
I want to build my first and very Powerful Gaming PC.
Here's my PC Configuration at PC Part Picker . com
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V61j
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V61j/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V61j/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-3820 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H50 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme3 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($197.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.60 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.68 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($379.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Cooler Master Silent Pro M 700W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 200 Wired Standard Keyboard ($9.98 @ Outlet PC)
Mouse: Logitech M100 Wired Optical Mouse ($4.64 @ Amazon)
Total: $1245.67
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-05 00:00 EDT-0400)

Link : http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V61j
My overall Budget was 1200 dollars.

What do you think about this PC ?
Is this a good Gaming PC ?
Well, to say --- My Monitor Resolution is 1366 by 768
Awaiting for your opinions with interest..............

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a b 4 Gaming
May 4, 2013 9:11:27 PM

wow... you know your monitors resolution is so poor you could make due with an A10-5800k and play anything on ultra settings.

that system is nice and all... but it's really overkill for that monitor. you'll never see like 80% of what it's capable of on a screen like that.
May 4, 2013 9:14:51 PM

What the guy above me said. Get a bigger monitor that supports 1080p. You'd be fine with a i5-3570k (games don't use hyperthreading, which is the major advantage of and reason for which i7's cost more), along a 1155 motherboard, which would cost less and maybe let you afford a monitor.
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a b 4 Gaming
May 4, 2013 9:15:27 PM

The I7 is pointless. Drop to a 3570K, spend the case on a better monitor...
a b 4 Gaming
May 4, 2013 9:19:20 PM

i'll join the others... get a better monitor and scale back the cpu to an i5-3570k... and the mb down to an 1155 chipset.

a b 4 Gaming
May 4, 2013 9:23:46 PM

One more thing, dump that crap Corsair H50, its no better than stock.
Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO will do the job.
May 4, 2013 9:29:51 PM

I will remain with the i7 processor because to maintain my system up to 6+ years . And be current with i7.
Just I am stuck between the three processors : Which one to go ?
Intel Core I7 : {3770 / 3770k / 3820}
Which one to go ?
I really want a very high end computer that can do anything thrown on it.
a b 4 Gaming
May 4, 2013 9:31:56 PM

It over kill in some spots and very weak in other. Drop the CPU down to a i5 3570k micro center for 180. Then put it on good asus or gigabyte mb in the 100 to 150 price range for full size mb. Myself I get a 3570 non k for 150. And a 90.00 h77 micro atx mb. Use 8g low profile ram and a evo 212 cooler or one like it for 30. Use a r200 case or another good 30-50 dollar case. The case I would get one of the new ones with the he trays are turned out wards and there room to tuck modular power supply cables behind the mb tray. Also get a one g hard drive or two g drive.
a b 4 Gaming
May 4, 2013 9:33:30 PM

adity8522 said:
I will remain with the i7 processor because to maintain my system up to 6+ years . And be current with i7.
Just I am stuck between the three processors : Which one to go ?
Intel Core I7 : {3770 / 3770k / 3820}
Which one to go ?
I really want a very high end computer that can do anything thrown on it.


Then one GTX670 is not enough. At most I would suggest an I7 3770K with an Asrock Z77 Extreme4 1155 socket motherbaord. NOT 2011, I7 3820

And just because you get an I7 won't mean it will last more than 6 years. You can forget that. Not even THE BEST CPU at the moment can give you 6 years of decent gaming. Nor can a current GPU.
a b 4 Gaming
May 4, 2013 9:39:37 PM

Adity both the intel 1155 and the 2011 CPU slotted mb are dead slots. The new haswell 1150 are dropping in a few weeks. A few months after that intel may be using a newer high end mb. The other issue is 12 months after haswell when Broadwell comes out intel may be using bga CPU where the CPU is already solder onto the mb. Also games and gpu vendor are dropping newer gpu and new game engines every year that causes even the newest CPU and gpu to be obsolete in 12 months or less. Your better off with the 3570 for it price point.
May 4, 2013 9:40:13 PM

Well, I do not intend to game a lot. My main motive of building a computer are as follows :
--- Defeat all the powerful Laptops of the Apple Line like the MacBook Pro.
--- Get very good PC mark and 3D Marks Scores.
--- A Very power full system.

One thing I want to tell all ,-- I am student.
I am currently saving money every month to get the best out of the best computer.
My current laptop is a type of crap it lacks very much on performance --- Celeron 900 @ 2.2ghz , 1gb ddr2 ram, integrated graphics, a type of business laptop.
My first build will be the first computer of mine with a graphics card.

So, Should I go with a 3770 ? I do not intend to overclock. Maybe in the future.
a b 4 Gaming
May 4, 2013 9:41:49 PM

adity8522 said:
Well, I do not intend to game a lot. My main motive of building a computer are as follows :
--- Defeat all the powerful Laptops of the Apple Line like the MacBook Pro.
--- Get very good PC mark and 3D Marks Scores.
--- A Very power full system.

One thing I want to tell all ,-- I am student.
I am currently saving money every month to get the best out of the best computer.
My current laptop is a type of crap it lacks very much on performance --- Celeron 900 @ 2.2ghz , 1gb ddr2 ram, integrated graphics, a type of business laptop.
My first build will be the first computer of mine with a graphics card.

So, Should I go with a 3770 ? I do not intend to overclock. Maybe in the future.


Uh... I have nothing to say...
May 4, 2013 9:42:51 PM

smorizio said:
Adity both the intel 1155 and the 2011 CPU slotted mb are dead slots. The new haswell 1150 are dropping in a few weeks. A few months after that intel may be using a newer high end mb. The other issue is 12 months after haswell when Broadwell comes out intel may be using bga CPU where the CPU is already solder onto the mb. Also games and gpu vendor are dropping newer gpu and new game engines every year that causes even the newest CPU and gpu to be obsolete in 12 months or less. Your better off with the 3570 for it price point.


Well I am satisfied with your answer. As I will be getting a PC within an year when I will be entering my college life in class 10th, there may be many new and powerful intel processors out !
May 4, 2013 9:44:10 PM

Novuake said:
adity8522 said:
Well, I do not intend to game a lot. My main motive of building a computer are as follows :
--- Defeat all the powerful Laptops of the Apple Line like the MacBook Pro.
--- Get very good PC mark and 3D Marks Scores.
--- A Very power full system.

One thing I want to tell all ,-- I am student.
I am currently saving money every month to get the best out of the best computer.
My current laptop is a type of crap it lacks very much on performance --- Celeron 900 @ 2.2ghz , 1gb ddr2 ram, integrated graphics, a type of business laptop.
My first build will be the first computer of mine with a graphics card.

So, Should I go with a 3770 ? I do not intend to overclock. Maybe in the future.


Uh... I have nothing to say...


Well, I think its for sure, You have nothing to say. I ask very much questions that irritate the experts.
a b 4 Gaming
May 4, 2013 9:48:12 PM

adity8522 said:
Novuake said:
adity8522 said:
Well, I do not intend to game a lot. My main motive of building a computer are as follows :
--- Defeat all the powerful Laptops of the Apple Line like the MacBook Pro.
--- Get very good PC mark and 3D Marks Scores.
--- A Very power full system.

One thing I want to tell all ,-- I am student.
I am currently saving money every month to get the best out of the best computer.
My current laptop is a type of crap it lacks very much on performance --- Celeron 900 @ 2.2ghz , 1gb ddr2 ram, integrated graphics, a type of business laptop.
My first build will be the first computer of mine with a graphics card.

So, Should I go with a 3770 ? I do not intend to overclock. Maybe in the future.


Uh... I have nothing to say...


Well, I think its for sure, You have nothing to say. I ask very much questions that irritate the experts.


I am more concerned with your motives for getting this PC.
May 4, 2013 9:51:37 PM

Novuake said:
adity8522 said:
Novuake said:
adity8522 said:
Well, I do not intend to game a lot. My main motive of building a computer are as follows :
--- Defeat all the powerful Laptops of the Apple Line like the MacBook Pro.
--- Get very good PC mark and 3D Marks Scores.
--- A Very power full system.

One thing I want to tell all ,-- I am student.
I am currently saving money every month to get the best out of the best computer.
My current laptop is a type of crap it lacks very much on performance --- Celeron 900 @ 2.2ghz , 1gb ddr2 ram, integrated graphics, a type of business laptop.
My first build will be the first computer of mine with a graphics card.

So, Should I go with a 3770 ? I do not intend to overclock. Maybe in the future.


Uh... I have nothing to say...


Well, I think its for sure, You have nothing to say. I ask very much questions that irritate the experts.


I am more concerned with your motives for getting this PC.


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May 4, 2013 9:56:34 PM

Soo.. Basically you want a computer that is better than a Mac... Seems like you don't really need this computer. I would be glad to take it off your hands.
May 4, 2013 10:01:39 PM

dToast said:
Soo.. Basically you want a computer that is better than a Mac... Seems like you don't really need this computer. I would be glad to take it off your hands.


Its really FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE that I don't really need this computer.:fou: :fou: 
I really need a computer with best performance because my laptop is type of crap a garbage.
Gaming, Surfing through the Internet, Watching High Quality You tube videos, and the most important once : video calling.
These all are important to me.
I am thinking to straightly convert this PC into an HTPC .
With a big 22 inches or more TV ???

Well, One more question :
Which is the best Graphics card ? Geforce GTX 670 or Radeon HD 7970
May 4, 2013 10:04:23 PM

Well currently the GTX 660 is a very good deal. That's what I suggest.
May 4, 2013 10:15:08 PM

Here's another modified configuration:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V6GG
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V6GG/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V6GG/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H50 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.60 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.68 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($379.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Cooler Master Silent Pro M 700W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 200 Wired Standard Keyboard ($9.98 @ Outlet PC)
Mouse: Logitech M100 Wired Optical Mouse ($4.64 @ Amazon)
Total: $1187.79
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-05 01:14 EDT-0400)

One more configuration :
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V6PK
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V6PK/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V6PK/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H50 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.60 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.68 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($389.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Cooler Master Silent Pro M 700W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 200 Wired Standard Keyboard ($9.98 @ Outlet PC)
Mouse: Logitech M100 Wired Optical Mouse ($4.64 @ Amazon)
Total: $1197.79
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-05 01:19 EDT-0400)

Which one is the better ?
a b 4 Gaming
May 4, 2013 10:16:58 PM

Drop the Corsair H50 for a coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO and you are good to go.
a b 4 Gaming
May 4, 2013 10:19:14 PM

When you talk gaming pc your looking at x parts. If your looking for brute force type of a pc your looking at server parts. Intel i7 CPU is a cut down server CPU. If you were going to do photo editing and video editing at tell you to get the 1155 server CPU Chips and a place it on a server mb with two CPU and place 32g of ram on it. Looking at non gaming gpu for the system. There are some e-atx gaming mb that do have two CPU slots on them. These mb and CPU set ups are killer. When your shopping for computers parts there a window that toms and other call best deals on parts.getting the best part for the dollar you spend. You see this on toms and other when they do there monthly pc builds. When you read the last year of these builds look at the trade off tom had to do to hit x price point on each level of there builds. Good part make build stable and last a long time.take a look here when people come in for help. It keep you from making a lot of new builders errors.
May 4, 2013 10:22:32 PM

whatsoever it is . You are right smorizio.
But I really like an I7 cpu
May 4, 2013 10:25:24 PM

EDIT to the CONFIG :
I am dropping the Corsair H50 and selecting the Hyper EVO 212 Plus
a b 4 Gaming
May 4, 2013 10:58:13 PM

wow... sorta speachless.

OP, listen. you posted on a forum filled with dudes with 10-20+ years of personal experience asking for their opinions. then when they tell you something you don't want to hear you ignore it...

so here are some facts for you to chew on.

1) a mac book pro - isn't some all powerful computer. Frankly, any low cost desktop system will slaughter it in any computing task you throw at it. Laptops =! Desktops. The computing power of a desktop is so far beyond what a mobile processor has going for it, it's not even in the same discussion.

2) no build is future proof 6 years out. Look back 6 years ago... the best cpus around were Athlon 64 x2 6000+ and the first gen core2duo (e6xxx series)... both cpus were heads and shoulders above and beyond anything that came before them, but both would be barely capable today for anything more then web surfing. Expecting even a top of the line 6yo cpu to still be capable is expecting too much.

3) you imply an i7 is a "better" cpu then an i5, because it's the latest greatest... or somethign to that effect. So when everyone here is telling you with their years of experience to go with an i5, you turn your nose up at them. Here is soemthign to chew on... an i5 and i7 are IDENTICAL processors... with one small difference. The i7 has Hyper Threading. Now intel's marketing department has for years liked to make hyperthreading sounds better then it is. Toms & windows sorta plays into it by crediting intel cpus with hyperthreading with full threads for each hyperthreaded core. However, hyperthreading is not an extra core. Nor is it a full thread. Its software/hardware that allows a cpu to split it's focus on 2 tasks at 1 time. you see rarely do most tasks require 100% of the cpu's attention, so intel did something clever, by scheduling multiple tasks on the same core at the same time.

The net result from hyperthreading is NOT a 100% improvement in processing power like you might gain from an extra core. It's a 15%-30% gain in CERTAIN processing situations, which means each hyperthreaded core is worth roughly 1/4 of an extra core. That might sound sorta cool until you realize that only certain things can take advantage of hyperthreading, so in most cases you don't even get that. As a result, an i7 is basically a 4 core and sometimes a 5 full threads cpu... The i5, lacking hyperthreading will always be a 4 core 4 thread cpu.

So, yes, if you're unzip'ing super huge gigabyte files you might see a marginal improvement with an i7 over an i5. otherwise in most tasks (such as gaming, as almost no games really can use hyper threading, in fact there are more games that take a performance hit from it then a gain) you'll see zero difference in cpu.

4) you need a new monitor to even justify this rig. really, i wasn't kidding when i said a little cheap $400 A10, APU build would max out that monitor. Building this machine with the specs you're talking about is a crime with that monitor.

5) an hd7970 is the best SINGLE gpu you can get for less then $500. There is no debate on this subject. That said if you plan to SLi/xfire your gpus in the future, your best bet is the 670GTX.

~here is a build that will destroy anything a laptop can do. i included a monitor because you'll need a new one to make any of this upgrade worth spending the cash.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair XMS 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.60 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.61 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone Redline Series RL03B-W-USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VH238H 23.0" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 200 Wired Standard Keyboard ($9.98 @ Outlet PC)
Mouse: Logitech M100 Wired Optical Mouse ($4.64 @ Amazon)
Total: $1186.62
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-05 01:57 EDT-0400)
May 4, 2013 11:29:13 PM

Hey, I don't want those big things like monitor and cabinet.
am from india. I will be ordering the parts from us from shipito forwarding service at low cost.
Those big things will increase the cost of shipping.
I will be buying the cabinet and monitor from india only.
May 5, 2013 12:13:25 AM

listen to ingtar33 he is right about everything. and my i5 2500k overclocked to 4.8 GHz will destroy your i7 in everything.
a b 4 Gaming
May 5, 2013 1:21:03 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($118.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($309.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($309.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Rosewill ARMOR-EVO ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1206.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-05 04:20 EDT-0400)

POWWWERRR

Could take a cheaper case and psu, to upgrade to a i5-3570k, z77 motherboard...
May 5, 2013 2:24:43 AM

So, Here's my finalized List of parts : (I am again saying that I do no game a lot but use much more processing power)
Very High End Gaming PC (Includes All Parts + Monior + Keyboard + Mouse)
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V8kx
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V8kx/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V8kx/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H55 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($62.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.60 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Scorpio Blue 750GB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.04 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($379.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Raidmax ATX-321WB (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.74 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VS198D-P 19.0" Monitor ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 200 Wired Standard Keyboard ($9.98 @ Outlet PC)
Mouse: Logitech B100 Wired Optical Mouse ($5.49 @ Mac Mall)
Total: $1301.73
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-05 05:19 EDT-0400)

SO, what do you all think about it ?
May 5, 2013 2:39:40 AM

Everyone's going to have their own opinion on what the build is. Overall get what makes you happy. However, you should be looking at a better monitor and motherboard especially if you're planning to upgrade more in the future. With the i7 its not bad, its cool you say you have an i7 to people who don't know too much about computers even to people who does. As for the SSD, maybe get the 256GB Pro version. I have it and it's blazing fast. Also with SSD's you don't want to use over 80% of the total capacity because then it starts slowing down. I'm assuming you're only going to be able to use about 100GB of the SSD because some is allocated for the SSD controller. Mine used 28GB (also OS) out of stock but you can always change it using the Samsung Magician software.
May 5, 2013 2:44:05 AM

That graphics card is way overkill for your uses. Get a 660 and upgrade to a 24 inch 1080p monitor, much more impressive, and also buy yourself a quality mouse and keyboard, maybe a mechanical keyboard. The mouse, keyboard and monitor are the things you really use every day and they make a big difference in satisfaction of your computing experience. Especially the monitor. Doing video chat and everything is so much nicer at a quality resolution.
May 5, 2013 2:57:19 AM

fkr said:
That graphics card is way overkill for your uses. Get a 660 and upgrade to a 24 inch 1080p monitor, much more impressive, and also buy yourself a quality mouse and keyboard, maybe a mechanical keyboard. The mouse, keyboard and monitor are the things you really use every day and they make a big difference in satisfaction of your computing experience. Especially the monitor. Doing video chat and everything is so much nicer at a quality resolution.


I am satisfied with what you say.
Can you give me links to a good keyboard and mouse for total around hmmm....... ... $40.
Try to get a good Backlit Keyboard.
May 5, 2013 3:32:21 AM

at that price point it is hard. go to newegg and sort by highest rated and find the one you like. this is a good deal at $50 for a mouse.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I do want to add that these peripheral devices tend to last allot longer at these price points. this mouse is very well known for being great.

The Logitech G9x gaming mouse is customizable for comfort and function! Select either Wide Load or Precision grip, or choose from a selection of optional grips, for the perfect fit. The Wide Load grip offers a satin finish and wider body, for improved hand and wrist position, while the Precision grip features DryGrip finish and a compact shape to give you premium fingertip control. Weight-tune the mouse using the included 28 grams of metal weights, so you get the tracking experience that best suits you.

The G9’s high-performance laser game engine brings unrivaled speed and accuracy to your desktop, and is adjustable from 200-5700dpi. The MicroGear scroll wheel gives you reliable, precise-click movement, so you get what you meant, every time, or frictionless scrolling at unbelievable speeds, and the tilt-wheel gives you fast, accurate side-to-side movements. Customizable LED lights allow you to choose from hundreds of colors to visually indicate your settings. The mouse stores up to 5 setting profiles, which include keyboard macros, dpi settings, and LED color in its onboard memory, so you can create profiles for individual users, or for various uses. When your mouse is custom-made for your needs, you'll enjoy a flawless gaming session!
If you get this you will never use a cheaper mouse again and when you do you will hate it.
keyboards are very personal, if you type allot and very fast then a mechanical is the way to go. if not then a les expensive membrane would work for you
loud but good
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
quiet and good
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

read some reviews and see what others think. but these are quality products with good warranties
a c 303 4 Gaming
May 5, 2013 7:49:39 AM

ingtar33 said:
wow... sorta speachless.

OP, listen. you posted on a forum filled with dudes with 10-20+ years of personal experience asking for their opinions. then when they tell you something you don't want to hear you ignore it...

so here are some facts for you to chew on.

1) a mac book pro - isn't some all powerful computer. Frankly, any low cost desktop system will slaughter it in any computing task you throw at it. Laptops =! Desktops. The computing power of a desktop is so far beyond what a mobile processor has going for it, it's not even in the same discussion.

2) no build is future proof 6 years out. Look back 6 years ago... the best cpus around were Athlon 64 x2 6000+ and the first gen core2duo (e6xxx series)... both cpus were heads and shoulders above and beyond anything that came before them, but both would be barely capable today for anything more then web surfing. Expecting even a top of the line 6yo cpu to still be capable is expecting too much.

3) you imply an i7 is a "better" cpu then an i5, because it's the latest greatest... or somethign to that effect. So when everyone here is telling you with their years of experience to go with an i5, you turn your nose up at them. Here is soemthign to chew on... an i5 and i7 are IDENTICAL processors... with one small difference. The i7 has Hyper Threading. Now intel's marketing department has for years liked to make hyperthreading sounds better then it is. Toms & windows sorta plays into it by crediting intel cpus with hyperthreading with full threads for each hyperthreaded core. However, hyperthreading is not an extra core. Nor is it a full thread. Its software/hardware that allows a cpu to split it's focus on 2 tasks at 1 time. you see rarely do most tasks require 100% of the cpu's attention, so intel did something clever, by scheduling multiple tasks on the same core at the same time.

The net result from hyperthreading is NOT a 100% improvement in processing power like you might gain from an extra core. It's a 15%-30% gain in CERTAIN processing situations, which means each hyperthreaded core is worth roughly 1/4 of an extra core. That might sound sorta cool until you realize that only certain things can take advantage of hyperthreading, so in most cases you don't even get that. As a result, an i7 is basically a 4 core and sometimes a 5 full threads cpu... The i5, lacking hyperthreading will always be a 4 core 4 thread cpu.

So, yes, if you're unzip'ing super huge gigabyte files you might see a marginal improvement with an i7 over an i5. otherwise in most tasks (such as gaming, as almost no games really can use hyper threading, in fact there are more games that take a performance hit from it then a gain) you'll see zero difference in cpu.

4) you need a new monitor to even justify this rig. really, i wasn't kidding when i said a little cheap $400 A10, APU build would max out that monitor. Building this machine with the specs you're talking about is a crime with that monitor.

5) an hd7970 is the best SINGLE gpu you can get for less then $500. There is no debate on this subject. That said if you plan to SLi/xfire your gpus in the future, your best bet is the 670GTX.

~here is a build that will destroy anything a laptop can do. i included a monitor because you'll need a new one to make any of this upgrade worth spending the cash.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair XMS 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.60 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.61 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone Redline Series RL03B-W-USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VH238H 23.0" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 200 Wired Standard Keyboard ($9.98 @ Outlet PC)
Mouse: Logitech M100 Wired Optical Mouse ($4.64 @ Amazon)
Total: $1186.62
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-05 01:57 EDT-0400)


This guy knows what he is talking about.
May 5, 2013 7:52:44 AM

tiny voices said:
ingtar33 said:
wow... sorta speachless.

OP, listen. you posted on a forum filled with dudes with 10-20+ years of personal experience asking for their opinions. then when they tell you something you don't want to hear you ignore it...

so here are some facts for you to chew on.

1) a mac book pro - isn't some all powerful computer. Frankly, any low cost desktop system will slaughter it in any computing task you throw at it. Laptops =! Desktops. The computing power of a desktop is so far beyond what a mobile processor has going for it, it's not even in the same discussion.

2) no build is future proof 6 years out. Look back 6 years ago... the best cpus around were Athlon 64 x2 6000+ and the first gen core2duo (e6xxx series)... both cpus were heads and shoulders above and beyond anything that came before them, but both would be barely capable today for anything more then web surfing. Expecting even a top of the line 6yo cpu to still be capable is expecting too much.

3) you imply an i7 is a "better" cpu then an i5, because it's the latest greatest... or somethign to that effect. So when everyone here is telling you with their years of experience to go with an i5, you turn your nose up at them. Here is soemthign to chew on... an i5 and i7 are IDENTICAL processors... with one small difference. The i7 has Hyper Threading. Now intel's marketing department has for years liked to make hyperthreading sounds better then it is. Toms & windows sorta plays into it by crediting intel cpus with hyperthreading with full threads for each hyperthreaded core. However, hyperthreading is not an extra core. Nor is it a full thread. Its software/hardware that allows a cpu to split it's focus on 2 tasks at 1 time. you see rarely do most tasks require 100% of the cpu's attention, so intel did something clever, by scheduling multiple tasks on the same core at the same time.

The net result from hyperthreading is NOT a 100% improvement in processing power like you might gain from an extra core. It's a 15%-30% gain in CERTAIN processing situations, which means each hyperthreaded core is worth roughly 1/4 of an extra core. That might sound sorta cool until you realize that only certain things can take advantage of hyperthreading, so in most cases you don't even get that. As a result, an i7 is basically a 4 core and sometimes a 5 full threads cpu... The i5, lacking hyperthreading will always be a 4 core 4 thread cpu.

So, yes, if you're unzip'ing super huge gigabyte files you might see a marginal improvement with an i7 over an i5. otherwise in most tasks (such as gaming, as almost no games really can use hyper threading, in fact there are more games that take a performance hit from it then a gain) you'll see zero difference in cpu.

4) you need a new monitor to even justify this rig. really, i wasn't kidding when i said a little cheap $400 A10, APU build would max out that monitor. Building this machine with the specs you're talking about is a crime with that monitor.

5) an hd7970 is the best SINGLE gpu you can get for less then $500. There is no debate on this subject. That said if you plan to SLi/xfire your gpus in the future, your best bet is the 670GTX.

~here is a build that will destroy anything a laptop can do. i included a monitor because you'll need a new one to make any of this upgrade worth spending the cash.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair XMS 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.60 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.61 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone Redline Series RL03B-W-USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VH238H 23.0" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 200 Wired Standard Keyboard ($9.98 @ Outlet PC)
Mouse: Logitech M100 Wired Optical Mouse ($4.64 @ Amazon)
Total: $1186.62
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-05 01:57 EDT-0400)


This guy knows what he is talking about.


What do you want to say ?
a c 303 4 Gaming
May 5, 2013 7:57:02 AM

That you should listen to this guy. He clearly explained everything that you should know when building a PC for your needs. He explained how a MACBOOK is not a comparison for a desktop, how an i5 is better for a gaming build than an i7, how your monitor needs to be 1080p to even use any of this hardware, about how a single GPU is better than crossfire/SLI.
May 5, 2013 8:30:43 AM

So, Here's my finalized List of parts : (I am again saying that I do no game a lot but use much more processing power)
Very High End Gaming PC (Includes All Parts + Monior + Keyboard + Mouse)
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V8kx
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V8kx/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V8kx/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H55 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($62.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.60 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Scorpio Blue 750GB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.04 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($379.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Raidmax ATX-321WB (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.74 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VS198D-P 19.0" Monitor ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 200 Wired Standard Keyboard ($9.98 @ Outlet PC)
Mouse: Logitech B100 Wired Optical Mouse ($5.49 @ Mac Mall)
Total: $1301.73
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-05 05:19 EDT-0400)

So, What's your opinion about this PC build Tiny ?
a c 303 4 Gaming
May 5, 2013 8:36:45 AM

If you do not game alot, but use other CPU hungry applications, I would change some things.
May 5, 2013 8:54:46 AM

tiny voices said:
If you do not game alot, but use other CPU hungry applications, I would change some things.


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What things you would like to change ?
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May 5, 2013 8:54:46 AM

tiny voices said:
If you do not game alot, but use other CPU hungry applications, I would change some things.


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What things you would like to change ?
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May 5, 2013 9:12:41 AM

Do you not understand that there is 5 people telling you to change your CPU to an i5? You are going overkill with a crap monitor. What is the point of getting the best hardware if you cannot utilize it to the best of their abilities? A 1080p is a must. Do what you want, but you MUST get a better monitor.
May 5, 2013 9:18:26 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.69 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($138.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($379.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VH238H 23.0" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 200 Wired Standard Keyboard ($9.98 @ Outlet PC)
Mouse: Logitech B100 Wired Optical Mouse ($5.49 @ Mac Mall)
Total: $1273.02
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-05 12:16 EDT-0400)

-Downgraded to the i5 3570k. Same performance as the i7 3770k.
-Gave you the Hyper 212 EVO for more reliable cooling.
-The Extreme4 is the best motherboard under $150.
-1TB hard disk.
-HAF 912 case, better than the raidmax
-MUCH better monitor, so you can use all of your components to their destined usage.
May 5, 2013 11:53:17 AM

the best inexpensive keyboards are microsoft or logitech. I am going to stick with my rec on the mouse. those two buttons where your thumb is located work as a forward and back button when web browsing (really makes a big difference when browsing). when I use other mice now i instinctively push those buttons even if they are not there. the scroll wheel on this mouse has 2 settings so it either scrolls infinitely without any clicking motion wheich is great when scrolling through docs or web pages and then when you game you switch to the clicking scroll wheel so it is easier to change weapons when gaming. great feature and next to the left click button is a dpi adjuster so you can change the speed of your mouse on the fly which is really nice for many uses.

i think many people are going to say maybe go to an AMD build because it is less expensive and you get better performance for productivity software.

also ballerslife has some good recs. his case is better, the cpu choice is really good also, the hyper 212 is badass looking in your case and it works extremely well (I use one for a heavily overclocked i5), a 1 TB drive is a good common sense move also. I like asus motherboards more as they seem to be very reliable in my experience but his choice is very good also. his monitor is a good choice and price.
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