Help me choose i7 3930k vs E5-1650 for workstation.

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Hi, em plan to buid new rig for 3ds max, maya, vray work.yeah can say lil more time gaming also. After doing some google i found few of them useful.

Hardware:

CPU: E5-1650 / i7 3930k
MOBO: Sabertooth x79 / Intel DX79SR
Ram: Corsair vengeance DDR3 1600 (8GBx4) 32GB
Cooling: Corsair H100
PSU: Corsair Ax850
GPU: Sapphire AMD/ATI HD 7970 OC Edition 3 GB
Chesis: Corsair 600t SE Or equivalent where easily fit H100(hydro cooling)



-> When i contact to dealer regarding i7 3930k, he replied it is EOL cpu,
choose instead E5-1650? I simply didn't understand what he want to say,
Plz explain!

-> If i do coampare between 3930k vs E5-1650 on intel site
E5-1650 System Bus value is 0 GT/s, what does it mean?


-> If i move to choose E5-1650 then can i still use sebertooth x79?
If also yes then can i use Non Ecc ram(coz mobo support non-ecc) ?

-> I want to go for sebertooth Coz of its reviews & Asus which i always preffer,
So i want to keep this untill extreme condition to choose anotherOne.

-> If i choose E5-1650, also then i have to put H100? Is thrr any alternative
about hydro cooling which work best with Xeon?



Most Welcome for any C&C
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Hi popatim,
I figure out Eol condition of 3930k. Nw em looking for advise
For my work should i choose 3930k or E5-1650 coz i em looking solution for stability. by the way after googling i think i have to choose Xeon E5-1650.
 

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Stability? you want Xeon with ecc ram.
For Speed you want i7 w/ddr3

The E5 and the I7 are virtually the same core-wise. The e5 has 4 cores and 8 threads on a qpi system architecture while the i7 has 6 core and 12 threads on a standard pc system architecture. Since socket 2011 is not near EOL neither is either CPU but expect sales of both these to drop as Ivy-E comes on line hopefully sometime in the second quarter of this year and joins sandy-e. Intel has certainly not announced any EOL intentions for either of these.
 

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i7-330k & E5-1650 are same as spec include both have 6 core except Architecture . (Check Comparison)
http://ark.intel.com/compare/63697,64601

About Stability with ECC i will go for Non-Ecc with Xeon, is it not work fine as i expecting?


Have a Question
If i do compare between 3930k vs E5-1650 on intel site
E5-1650 System Bus value is 0 GT/s, what does it mean?




 

popatim

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Sorry, I could have sworn you said e5-1620. Neither of those motherbds supports the 1650, maybe thats why I got confused.
AS for the system bandwidth I think thats an error. I beleive the error is stemming from it trying to compare the dmi bus of the 3930 to the qpi bus of the E5. Qpi iirc is 6.4gt/s max.

ECC does not suffer from single bit memory errors and leads to a more stable system at the cost of slightly slower speed. (Time needed to do a parity check on the data) It is used when data corruption can not be afforded. A few years ago Google revealed that observed single bit data errors were magnitudes above what was estimated. You would see about a 2.5% slowdown in performance with ecc. ECC is only available with Xeon processors in the Intel family. Many consumer AMD's are ecc capable.
 

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Xenon CPUs are best for visual graphic design...buy a mobo which supports two Intel Xenon CPUs and then buy two good Xenon CPUs and Nvidia Quadro 4000 or higher GPUs or ATI Firepro v7900 or higher GPUs...If ur budget doesnt allow then wait...dont buy i7 or GEforce GPUs if u r serious abt graphic design.
 
DX DO,

For the most reliable and accurate system for your applications, I would suggest a Xeon (6 core or multiple CPU) > ECC RAM > Quadro / Firepro combination- and the E5-1650 happens to be my current favourite Xeon. Up to a point, an i7 > non-ECC > GTX /Radeon system will work well, but the demanding applications or large and/or complex files you're using mean that the double precision, error correcting RAM, and the anti-aliasing Quadro drivers - all very important for rendering and animation- will substantially improve the quality of the kinds of imaging work you're doing. Computer systems fall into the "weakest link", "whatever can fail will fail" category and that is especially true of running complex 3D modelling and rendering applications. I tried a double Xeon / ECC system with a GTX 285 graphics card and on small files it worked well, but when the file was large or complex, it created bizarre shadows and artifacts, would not open viewports in Solidworks, would crash Sketchup, CAD models had jagged edges, and renderings would run for 25 minutes and then lock up. Some of these problems I thought would have been CPU related, but changing to a Quadro FX 4800 solved everything- I had a Xeon > ECC > Quadro system.

If you look at the Passmark CPU benchmark list, eight of the top ten CPU's are Xeons and the E5-1650 is number 14. >

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

I have not used the E5-1650, but if I were building a new system (I use AutoCad, Revit, Solidworks, Sketchup, Adobe CS), that would be my choice > six cores for rendering, a good clock speed, high memory bandwidth, and -for a Xeon- a reasonable price. My suggestion >

1. Xeon E5-1650 6-core 3.2 /3.8GHz $600

2. ASUS P9X79-E WS LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 SSI CEB Intel Motherboard $500

3. Wintec 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) ECC Registered Server Memory Model 3RSL160011R5H-32GQ $ 300

4. NVIDIA® Quadro® K4000 VCQK4000-PB 3GB GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Workstation Video Card $800

5. SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD256BW 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $249.99

6. 2- WESTERN DIGITAL 1TB HARD DRIVE SATA 64MB 6 Gb/s WD AV-GP $172.06

7. LIAN LI PC-A75 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case $182

8. SeaSonic Platinum Platinum-860 860W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply $200

9. Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit - OEM $189.99

10. Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler $84.

11. ASUS Black Blu-ray Burner SATA BW-14D1XT $99.99


TOTAL > about $3,400


Because of the way ECC RAM works and the quality/reliability emphasis (instead of frame rates) of the Quadro, such a system will not be the fastest for games, but the quality of results and reliability for work will be wonderful. Also, this is not disproportionately expensive > such a system will not cost as much as Maya alone.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

[Dell Precision T5400 (2010)> 2X Xeon X5460 quad-core @ 3.16GHz > 16GB ECC > Quadro FX 4800 (1.5GB) > WD RE4 / Segt Brcda 500GB > Windows 7 Ultimate 64 > HP 2711x ]
 

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Hi Bambiboom
I appreciate your input. After w8ing long time for suggestion but thr are not much, so i Ordered to dealer about these hardware which i got 1 week ago. Processor & motherboard will get soon about next week.
there are few factor y i choose this instead of you or Professional recommended.

1- About Ecc, i do a long query & i found it will not help me a lot coz of error time duration period is too long. So if i get crash one or two time i can handle(If it occur in long period). In the other side i get more faster ram speed compare to ECC.

2-Yeah you are right professional cards will help me a lot & i appreciate you share your exp. too. In recent years i use entry level of cards which are more weak compare to relative range of money gaming cards. Yes 4000 & v7900 are very good cards if i had extra budget i will get v7900 but Unfortunately i cant. In the backside em gaming freak, can say so i decided to go for HD7970 vapor-x card.

Hardware list is following:

Intel E5-1650
Asus Sebertooth x79
Corsair vengeance 4x8GB 1600mhz
Corsair 128 GB neutron
Cooler Master HSF 912 combat chesis
Corsair Tx850v2 SMPS
Sapphire HD7970 Vapor-x 3GB
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo with dual fan
cooler master 4x120mm chesis fan

I hope this all will work fine. I like to hear you reviews also.

:ENJOY