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May 5, 2013 7:20:10 PM

Hello!

I haven't built my rig just yet, I was going for an HD 7950, but then I saw the new 650 ti boost SLI outperforms GTX 670, 680 and an HD 7970.

However, I had some questions, and I was hoping you could answer them

is SLI going to be a pain in the butt?(will I have problems like stutter, lag, fps drop, micro-stutter, dont even know what that is)
is it a good choice to SLI GTX 650 ti boost?(would it keep me from upgrading for a long time?)
which PSU wattage should I get?(is 550W enough?)

my future planned rig:

Intel® Core™ i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz 6MB Cache Desktop Processor
ASRock Z77 Extreme3 Socket 1155 Motherboard
Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB DDR3 1600MHz CL10 1.5V
Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200.14 SATA 6Gb/s HDD
Cooler Master HAF 912 Combat Mid Tower Desktop Case
XFX ProSeries 550W PSU 80 Plus Bronze

I will be overclocking, but not that much though.
I will be just playing games, mostly on 1080p

uhm, that's it I think, if I have any questions I will ask

thanks!

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May 5, 2013 7:25:31 PM

It's almost always better to buy one midranged card, than two low end cards. Simply put, SLI causes all sorts of issues and upgrading becomes easier with only one card.
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May 5, 2013 7:26:38 PM

Yes, two 650 Ti Boosts beat any single GPU card. I have been SLI'ing for years and never saw any of these things (stutter, lag, fps drop, micro-stutter) that peeps "read about on the internet". The problem is with overgeneralization.

Yes, CF has m,any issues, these have been well publicized of late.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6857/amd-stuttering-issue...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-card-bench...
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Ratin...

Yes, I have seen problems using two cheapo cards down at the $100 level

But just because those two conditions are true, that doesn't mean ya can take those issues and draw some kind of conclusion related to the mid to high range cards. Son Nos. 2 and 3 have their gaming boxes upstairs.... one has a GTX 580, one has twin 560 Ti's .... the 2 SLI'd cards were 20% less expensive than the 580 and the beat it by 40%....the SLI box has a 120 Hz monitor

Neither box has had any issues other than an occasional wait 2-3 weeks after a new game beta comes out for the SLI profiles to be updated.

Here's the performance summary
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_6...

Here's the conclusion:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_6...

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After running the GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost SLI through our test suite, I have to admit that I'm impressed. The duo delivered performance easily matching and often exceeding much more expensive single-card options such as the GeForce GTX 680 and Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, and they don't cost as much. .... Unlike AMD, NVIDIA does a good job of maintaining its SLI profiles, so you should be able to play new games without a long wait for multi-GPU support. However, the risk that a game will not be supported still exists, and you might, at worst, end up with single-card performance. This is in my opinion, given the massive performance-per-dollar advantage, an acceptable tradeoff. I would definitely recommend a GTX 650 Ti Boost SLI setup to a friend looking to spend as little money as possible on a high-end gaming rig.

With a combined price of $340, the graphics cards cost much less than the HD 7970 GHz Edition ($430) and the GTX 680 ($440) while still delivering comparable performance. Power draw and noise levels are slightly higher, but that's the price you'll have to pay to save over 100 bucks. This setup also makes upgrading your aging rig to play the latest and most demanding titles without breaking the bank an option.
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May 5, 2013 7:27:13 PM

I agree. FORGET SLI on low end GPUs. Get the most powerful card you can afford and THEN consider SLI/Xfire.
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May 5, 2013 7:38:19 PM

Novuake said:
I agree. FORGET SLI on low end GPUs. Get the most powerful card you can afford and THEN consider SLI/Xfire.


The 650ti BOOST is not low end. It's right on par with the HD7850 while costing $20 less on the 2GB versions. I say go for it if you have a case with great airflow and the proper PSU
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May 5, 2013 7:41:46 PM

songorocosongo said:
Novuake said:
I agree. FORGET SLI on low end GPUs. Get the most powerful card you can afford and THEN consider SLI/Xfire.


The 650ti BOOST is not low end. It's right on par with the HD7850 while costing $20 less on the 2GB versions. I say go for it if you have a case with great airflow and the proper PSU


And SLI/Xfire on cards lower than GTX670 or HD7950 is NEVER worth it in my opinion UNLESS its for multimonitor and not gaming performance.
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May 5, 2013 8:10:31 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
Yes, two 650 Ti Boosts beat any single GPU card. I have been SLI'ing for years and never saw any of these things (stutter, lag, fps drop, micro-stutter) that peeps "read about on the internet". The problem is with overgeneralization.

Yes, CF has m,any issues, these have been well publicized of late.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6857/amd-stuttering-issue...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-card-bench...
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Ratin...

Yes, I have seen problems using two cheapo cards down at the $100 level

But just because those two conditions are true, that doesn't mean ya can take those issues and draw some kind of conclusion related to the mid to high range cards. Son Nos. 2 and 3 have their gaming boxes upstairs.... one has a GTX 580, one has twin 560 Ti's .... the 2 SLI'd cards were 20% less expensive than the 580 and the beat it by 40%....the SLI box has a 120 Hz monitor

Neither box has had any issues other than an occasional wait 2-3 weeks after a new game beta comes out for the SLI profiles to be updated.

Here's the performance summary
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_6...

Here's the conclusion:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_6...

Quote:
After running the GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost SLI through our test suite, I have to admit that I'm impressed. The duo delivered performance easily matching and often exceeding much more expensive single-card options such as the GeForce GTX 680 and Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, and they don't cost as much. .... Unlike AMD, NVIDIA does a good job of maintaining its SLI profiles, so you should be able to play new games without a long wait for multi-GPU support. However, the risk that a game will not be supported still exists, and you might, at worst, end up with single-card performance. This is in my opinion, given the massive performance-per-dollar advantage, an acceptable tradeoff. I would definitely recommend a GTX 650 Ti Boost SLI setup to a friend looking to spend as little money as possible on a high-end gaming rig.

With a combined price of $340, the graphics cards cost much less than the HD 7970 GHz Edition ($430) and the GTX 680 ($440) while still delivering comparable performance. Power draw and noise levels are slightly higher, but that's the price you'll have to pay to save over 100 bucks. This setup also makes upgrading your aging rig to play the latest and most demanding titles without breaking the bank an option.

Um, so what you're saying is SLI is not bad? right? sorry I just suck at everything ^^


@Novuake: GTX 670 costs 2700(cheapest) in my country, which is $388. if I wanted to atleast the ASUS Version, I would have to pay $490. So, I don't really think that 670 is in my reach :/ 
well, apparently.. 2x650 ti boost beats any single gpu(expect the $1k ones), so I will have the BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK.. and by the way, I don' think 650 ti boost is a low end card :o 
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May 5, 2013 8:18:41 PM

Personally I have never done SLI and right now my motherboard won't allow me, so a can't tell you from experience about any micro-stutter problems or anything. What you should keep in mind is your budget and the risk or multi-gpu problems. If I were you I would get at least a 600w PSU for the 650ti BOOST in SLI and 450w for a single one. If you were to crossfire the 7950 you would need around 800w in your PSU. While with only one 7950 you just need ~530w.

BTW the HAF912 has great airflow and is a really good case.
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May 5, 2013 8:32:23 PM

IMO, Even SLI is has less issue than CFX u should avoid dual card setup if u can get better single one....

not all games/apps can use SLI/CFX ..... (this is the one to looks out..)
it harder to OC, cost more power and lead to higher temp...

SLI is good when u on budget (buy one now, another much later)...
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May 6, 2013 4:43:40 AM

rdc85 said:
IMO, Even SLI is has less issue than CFX u should avoid dual card setup if u can get better single one....

not all games/apps can use SLI/CFX ..... (this is the one to looks out..)
it harder to OC, cost more power and lead to higher temp...

SLI is good when u on budget (buy one now, another much later)...

I know the risk of not all games supporting SLI and all.. but.. that's just a risk I gotta take.. I dunno really :/ 
and I don't really think I would try to OC two cards that beat any single gpu..
more power, thats fine. higher temp, thats why i got a nice case, plus im gonna stuff it with fans

just a another question, should I get a 660 ti for now, then get another 660 ti later?

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May 6, 2013 5:00:10 AM

Joseph Idris said:
rdc85 said:
IMO, Even SLI is has less issue than CFX u should avoid dual card setup if u can get better single one....

not all games/apps can use SLI/CFX ..... (this is the one to looks out..)
it harder to OC, cost more power and lead to higher temp...

SLI is good when u on budget (buy one now, another much later)...

I know the risk of not all games supporting SLI and all.. but.. that's just a risk I gotta take.. I dunno really :/ 
and I don't really think I would try to OC two cards that beat any single gpu..
more power, thats fine. higher temp, thats why i got a nice case, plus im gonna stuff it with fans

just a another question, should I get a 660 ti for now, then get another 660 ti later?



I would suggest that you get two from the get go if you can afford it as that will save headaches later on when you can't find nothing but "previously enjoyed" cards for sale.
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May 6, 2013 11:55:00 AM

Mousemonkey said:
Joseph Idris said:
rdc85 said:
IMO, Even SLI is has less issue than CFX u should avoid dual card setup if u can get better single one....

not all games/apps can use SLI/CFX ..... (this is the one to looks out..)
it harder to OC, cost more power and lead to higher temp...

SLI is good when u on budget (buy one now, another much later)...

I know the risk of not all games supporting SLI and all.. but.. that's just a risk I gotta take.. I dunno really :/ 
and I don't really think I would try to OC two cards that beat any single gpu..
more power, thats fine. higher temp, thats why i got a nice case, plus im gonna stuff it with fans

just a another question, should I get a 660 ti for now, then get another 660 ti later?



I would suggest that you get two from the get go if you can afford it as that will save headaches later on when you can't find nothing but "previously enjoyed" cards for sale.

I don't understand, what do you mean?(Sorry)
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May 6, 2013 12:35:22 PM

Don't buy second hand cards.
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May 6, 2013 10:42:05 PM

Do you mean "don't SLI?"

Anyways, I have some updates!

I was thinking, some of you may be right.. 2x650 ti will be super, yeah, but what about games that are not optimized for multi-gpu setup? or ones that don't even support SLI.. so I thought of a whole another idea.

Right now I am using a GTX 650 non ti, and the processor is apparently it's being cpu-bottlenecked(E7400).. so I was like, hey! I could take out the 650 non ti from my old PC, to my new PC.. and keep it for a little time till I save up enough money and go for a SLI 670.. (from the benchmarks I've seen, the 670 sli is only 5-2% behind the GTX 690)
And it's gonna cost me WAY less.. so I'll get to save some money.. but I'll have to wait for the 670 though..

What do you think?

However, as I'm now building a PC that WILL SLI 2x670 in the near-future, I thought I should take a good look at which PSU I should get.. I thought of SeaSonic M12II Bronze 620W 80 PLUS PSU? or I should go for the HEC Cougar 700W? or SeaSonic M12II Bronze 750W 80 PLUS PSU? (Note that I will be overclocking a little, not too much though.)

Thanks! Peace!
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May 7, 2013 12:27:02 AM

Joseph Idris said:
Do you mean "don't SLI?"


No, that is not what I meant.
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May 7, 2013 1:17:32 AM

I am sorry but I didn't really understood what you said.. maybe if you said it again I would understand? or explained? (I hope you are not mad at me :c)
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May 7, 2013 2:16:31 AM

If you are going to SLi then get two cards at the same time as then you won't have to worry about not being able to find another one in six months time or whenever. A lot of people do the "buy one now and get another later" thing and then they can have problems finding another card that's new and so they have to turn to the second hand market and hope they don't end up with a card that has been OC'd to death already. Does that make any sense to you?
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May 7, 2013 7:04:48 AM

I think 650 ti boost is the most attractive dual GPU setup around currently for performance/price. Really looks like a great setup.
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May 7, 2013 9:35:54 AM

Mousemonkey said:
If you are going to SLi then get two cards at the same time as then you won't have to worry about not being able to find another one in six months time or whenever. A lot of people do the "buy one now and get another later" thing and then they can have problems finding another card that's new and so they have to turn to the second hand market and hope they don't end up with a card that has been OC'd to death already. Does that make any sense to you?

mmm.. I think you're kinda right, fits with my situation, unless I get a 670 now, things will change..
but I don't think that applies to my country(egypt) as the oldest hardware are still around.. I am pretty sure I would still be able to find a GTX 670 after 1 year from now..
Also what I'm worried about with the SLI 650 ti boost, are games that may not support SLI/CFX, then I'm really screwed as the 650 ti is just not as good as a 670 when it comes to a single card performance.
Oh and by the way, I can't even get the 2x650 ti both in the same time, atleast gonna have to wait like 2-3 months. So I say hold on with a 650 non ti, wait around till I get a 670, then later after 2-5 months, get another 670 which as I said before is only 5% behind a GTX 690. (Do you think the 690 would get old after 5months-1year?)

Will get 750w 80 then, more future proof(there's no such thhing, but I meant for future stuff)
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May 7, 2013 9:46:10 AM

Snce when is a 650Ti boost a low end card ? if two 650ti boost in sli is cheaper and give more performance than any single card solution then without a doubt its worth it.
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May 7, 2013 9:53:17 AM

mohit9206 said:
Snce when is a 650Ti boost a low end card ? if two 650ti boost in sli is cheaper and give more performance than any single card solution then without a doubt its worth it.


Its mid-range in truth and low range in my eyes... :D 

Anyway, look for games that SUPPORT SLI it makes sense. I know its fixable and forcable. But still consider its not as simple as instal and PLAY. A single card is simpler for 9 out of 10 users. Especially inexperienced people.
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May 7, 2013 9:55:52 AM

Joseph Idris said:

mmm.. I think you're kinda right, fits with my situation, unless I get a 670 now, things will change..
but I don't think that applies to my country(egypt) as the oldest hardware are still around.. I am pretty sure I would still be able to find a GTX 670 after 1 year from now..
Also what I'm worried about with the SLI 650 ti boost, are games that may not support SLI/CFX, then I'm really screwed as the 650 ti is just not as good as a 670 when it comes to a single card performance.
Oh and by the way, I can't even get the 2x650 ti both in the same time, atleast gonna have to wait like 2-3 months. So I say hold on with a 650 non ti, wait around till I get a 670, then later after 2-5 months, get another 670 which as I said before is only 5% behind a GTX 690. (Do you think the 690 would get old after 5months-1year?)

Will get 750w 80 then, more future proof(there's no such thhing, but I meant for future stuff)


Well, if at the end of this month the 7xx series gets released then the 6xx's could start getting thin on the ground and it could happen quicker than you might think.
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May 7, 2013 10:01:48 AM

single gpu are always better.but gtx 650ti boost sli can be good for budget.it beats single hd 7950 and gtx 670.though you should have some experiance in multigpus
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May 7, 2013 12:49:25 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Joseph Idris said:

mmm.. I think you're kinda right, fits with my situation, unless I get a 670 now, things will change..
but I don't think that applies to my country(egypt) as the oldest hardware are still around.. I am pretty sure I would still be able to find a GTX 670 after 1 year from now..
Also what I'm worried about with the SLI 650 ti boost, are games that may not support SLI/CFX, then I'm really screwed as the 650 ti is just not as good as a 670 when it comes to a single card performance.
Oh and by the way, I can't even get the 2x650 ti both in the same time, atleast gonna have to wait like 2-3 months. So I say hold on with a 650 non ti, wait around till I get a 670, then later after 2-5 months, get another 670 which as I said before is only 5% behind a GTX 690. (Do you think the 690 would get old after 5months-1year?)

Will get 750w 80 then, more future proof(there's no such thhing, but I meant for future stuff)


Well, if at the end of this month the 7xx series gets released then the 6xx's could start getting thin on the ground and it could happen quicker than you might think.


Well.. you're right.. mmmm

OK! scratch all that, I am waiting for the 7xx series, once they're released I'm gonna buy the 760. right now im gonna hold on to a 650 non ti. thanks everyone!
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