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May 7, 2013 7:31:43 PM

Hi guys, i'm just wondering if waiting for these next gen processors is going to be worth it for me. I already plan on getting a GTX 700 series card as soon as they release, and i had all my other parts for my build picked out and ready to go but now i hear that these next gen CPU's will have a different socket which means I will have to look around for a different mobo and cooler, and i'm sure none of these new products will have people to testify for them if they are good quality or not. Just wondering if having the new, probably more expensive processors will be worth it for my gaming needs in the long run. :p 
May 7, 2013 7:52:48 PM

I don't think you need a new mobo for the 4th generation Intel CPUs. They will apparently be the same price as what the 3rd gen was when they debuted, with an approx 10% increase in performance.

Since you're waiting at the end of the month for your GPU anyways, you might as well wait it out for your CPU.

EDIT: I'm not sure anymore about the mobo compatibility, as the Haswell will be using 1150 sockets, while Ivy uses 1155... will 1150 chips be compatible with 1155 mobos?

EDIT #2: Sorry, it's NOT compatible. You need a new mobo. Still, I would wait if you're waiting for the GPU anyways, and you haven't bought them yet... right?
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May 7, 2013 7:57:51 PM

I would wait, prices will be similar with 5-10% performance increase. Possible the LGA1155 prices might drop a little after LGA1150 release.
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May 7, 2013 8:01:35 PM

I would wait since you don't need it today for work. Intel is so close to releasing the new CPUs which puts an end to the 1155 and requires a 1150. If you buy a 1150 today and an Ivy bridge CPU, then decide you want a new CPU in 2 years time, you'll have to buy a new motherboard too.

Haswell will be faster but it's not about the speed it's the new platform. So, if you can hold tight for 2 months you'll have the newest of the new setup.
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May 7, 2013 8:03:00 PM

I wouldn't think the Hanswell is worth the extra cost over ivy bridge... at least right when it comes out... Currently, the processors can last around 4 years (from their launch date) after being overclocked and not becoming too much of a bottleneck... (like a overclocked Q6600 would only bottle neck the current gen high end cards)
And there's going to be a price drop for the ivy bridge chips too after hanswell comes out...

I really don't think the 7 series would be that much of a improvement over the 6 series from how lackluster the performance on the Titan was... Well the price points should be better though (the 760 ti w/ the same amount of stream processors as GTX 670 is a full $100 cheaper)

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May 7, 2013 8:05:56 PM

envy14tpe said:
I would wait since you don't need it today for work. Intel is so close to releasing the new CPUs which puts an end to the 1155 and requires a 1150. If you buy a 1150 today and an Ivy bridge CPU, then decide you want a new CPU in 2 years time, you'll have to buy a new motherboard too.

Haswell will be faster but it's not about the speed it's the new platform. So, if you can hold tight for 2 months you'll have the newest of the new setup.


But why worry about a new platform when the platforms go obsolete every 2 years.... you can game perfectly fine with the same processor for 3+ years without worrying about bottle necking with a good overclock... by then the next platform is out and the "new" platform you bought into is pretty much obsolete again.

Like you wouldn't upgrade your 2500k processor to a 3570k... you would just buy the next new platform and processor for that....

IMO, it's the best to buy into a computer during the "tock" part of Intel's tick/tock strategy... unless the new platform and tech has some major improvements... (tick being new platform/tech and tock being refined version of tick)
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May 7, 2013 8:57:24 PM

killerhurtalot said:
envy14tpe said:
I would wait since you don't need it today for work. Intel is so close to releasing the new CPUs which puts an end to the 1155 and requires a 1150. If you buy a 1150 today and an Ivy bridge CPU, then decide you want a new CPU in 2 years time, you'll have to buy a new motherboard too.

Haswell will be faster but it's not about the speed it's the new platform. So, if you can hold tight for 2 months you'll have the newest of the new setup.


But why worry about a new platform when the platforms go obsolete every 2 years.... you can game perfectly fine with the same processor for 3+ years without worrying about bottle necking with a good overclock... by then the next platform is out and the "new" platform you bought into is pretty much obsolete again.

Like you wouldn't upgrade your 2500k processor to a 3570k... you would just buy the next new platform and processor for that....

IMO, it's the best to buy into a computer during the "tock" part of Intel's tick/tock strategy... unless the new platform and tech has some major improvements... (tick being new platform/tech and tock being refined version of tick)

I agree that upgrading CPU/motherboard is best every 3 years. Any sooner won't produce much of a gain rather money better spent.

I'm suggesting waiting cuz OP already is waiting for 7XX series by Nvidia. I'd wait until you buy that and put everything together at that time.

Upgrading from 2500k to 3570k would be stupid. When I built my rig I did so as Ivy Bridge was released and read the reviews. In the end I opted to get a Z77 but buy a 2500k instead of a 3570k. I heard about heat issues and performance didn't seem worth it so for $15 less I grabbed a solid 2500k.

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May 7, 2013 9:06:49 PM
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Yeah, my recommendations of waiting was also based on the fact that he's already waiting anyways. No point in buying something now if you're only going to use it in 1-2 months... Either he gets the Haswell chip which gets him better, if modest, performances, either the Ivy chips take a little plunge in pricing and he gets a good deal on what is still a very capable chip (the 3570k).

Wiin-win either way.
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May 8, 2013 7:12:06 AM

I am curious what you have now? I think that would help make recommendations... to provide an example, I am still running an i7 930.. I have no plans to upgrade till broadwell. it will enable several things by doing so.. first gets all the bugs out and yield quality up ( better chance for good oc'ers ) also broadwell will bring DDR4 and the new chipset will bring sata express these are 2 technologies I have been waiting for. aside from that performance increases over my i7 are modest. I don't think I would notice a difference unless I were doing 3d modelling. That's my 2 cents ( been running this for 3 years now and still eats everything I throw at it )
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May 8, 2013 7:38:53 AM

Johnny_C13 said:
Yeah, my recommendations of waiting was also based on the fact that he's already waiting anyways. No point in buying something now if you're only going to use it in 1-2 months... Either he gets the Haswell chip which gets him better, if modest, performances, either the Ivy chips take a little plunge in pricing and he gets a good deal on what is still a very capable chip (the 3570k).

Wiin-win either way.

Totally agree. Hold tight and buy the latest. Good for at least 3 years.
May 8, 2013 6:14:45 PM

Johnny_C13 said:
Yeah, my recommendations of waiting was also based on the fact that he's already waiting anyways. No point in buying something now if you're only going to use it in 1-2 months... Either he gets the Haswell chip which gets him better, if modest, performances, either the Ivy chips take a little plunge in pricing and he gets a good deal on what is still a very capable chip (the 3570k).

Wiin-win either way.


Hard Line said:
I am curious what you have now? I think that would help make recommendations... to provide an example, I am still running an i7 930.. I have no plans to upgrade till broadwell. it will enable several things by doing so.. first gets all the bugs out and yield quality up ( better chance for good oc'ers ) also broadwell will bring DDR4 and the new chipset will bring sata express these are 2 technologies I have been waiting for. aside from that performance increases over my i7 are modest. I don't think I would notice a difference unless I were doing 3d modelling. That's my 2 cents ( been running this for 3 years now and still eats everything I throw at it )


Right now, I dont have anything but a pocket full of saved up cash, i'm on our family laptop typing this. This is gonna be my first build :D 

May 8, 2013 7:48:42 PM

Man you're gonna have fun! There's a sense of pride when you build that first rig and power up a benchmark game at Ultra settings :D 
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May 8, 2013 8:02:21 PM

Johnny_C13 said:
Man you're gonna have fun! There's a sense of pride when you build that first rig and power up a benchmark game at Ultra settings :D 

I had the same feeling when I went from a good laptop to a desktop....man I was missing out on performance and had no idea the experience could be so much better on a desktop.

@Caliaton ...search for some youtube videos about how to build a desktop. It might seem daunting at first but once you realize how easily things snap together it is a piece of cake. But you gotta learn some safety rules so you don't destroy your system.
May 10, 2013 4:37:57 PM

envy14tpe said:
Johnny_C13 said:
Man you're gonna have fun! There's a sense of pride when you build that first rig and power up a benchmark game at Ultra settings :D 

I had the same feeling when I went from a good laptop to a desktop....man I was missing out on performance and had no idea the experience could be so much better on a desktop.

@Caliaton ...search for some youtube videos about how to build a desktop. It might seem daunting at first but once you realize how easily things snap together it is a piece of cake. But you gotta learn some safety rules so you don't destroy your system.


Yeah, i used to game on a laptop but the performance is pretty lame for how much you pay, so thats why i'm building a desktop. And I definately done some research on risks and how to avoid them.

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