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As of May 2013, sturdy Phenom II 965 / FX 6300...or the new chips FX 4350 / FX 6350??

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May 8, 2013 7:55:30 PM


bluefrenchfries

I have researched plenty and pretty much have it down to these 4. Not looking for links to benchmarks I want opinions from users firsthand. Sorry Intel fans, I'm married to my ASRock mobo. ;) 

Not doing much gaming right now but lots of family use net surfing with regularly having hundreds of tabs open and plenty of multitasking, file moving and streaming.

I like that the 4100 ($90), 4300 ($120), 6100 ($120), and 6300 ($112-$130) all use 95 watts vs 125 watts by the 965 BE ($80), 4350 ($140), and 6350 ($140).

Having said that right now I'm leaning toward the 965 BE because its $80 bux, OC'd with a good $30 to 40-ish fan, --> total around $110-$120.
But, tied in 2nd place are the 6100 and 6300 at $112 - $130.

Should I just say screw it and jump on the 4350 or 6350 at $140? It's anywhere from$10 to $30 more depending upon where I buy. Do they suck A LOT more electricity or is that only peak power?

Also, is this quality RAM for my board/setup?
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8Q-8GBRM www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682023132...
I have recently heard the lower the numbers the better. and this has the lowest timing I could find at 8-8-8-24-2N voltage 1.6. will it make any difference I'm going 4X2=8GB vs 2X4=8GB?

Thank you all for any help. Much appreciated.
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Approximate Purchase Date: IMMEDIATO...if not sooner :D 

Budget Range: IDEALLY $80 - $120-ish >>...the cheaper the better obviously but a few bux more isn't gonna break me (up to $150-ish max or so)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: #1 use will be as an Entertainment
PC for Watching HD & Blu Ray/Streaming media 2. surfing the internet 3. some gaming >> System needs to be able to grow if need be in about a year down the road.

Parts Not Required: full tower case, OS, 60GB SSD, multiple 500GB Sata 10k rpm HDDs, Optical drives, 23" monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers

existing mobo ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PS - Rosewill Stallion Series RD700 700W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPUs - (2) SAPPHIRE 100323-2L Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Country: US of mfA

Parts Preferences: AMD CPU to fit my AM3+ socket

Overclocking: Probably

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: not sure, prob 1280x1024 and 55" LCD by HDMI

Additional Comments: Ideally I would like a quiet PC that is fairly efficient and uses minimal power consumption >> if possible...but not a deal breaker either way.
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May 8, 2013 8:08:13 PM

just go with the phenom II 965 BE with a OC, it'll beat the other newer processors in the same price range.
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May 8, 2013 8:41:54 PM

I have owned a 965II, 6100, and now use a 8350. The 965 is faster than the 6100, but will run a little hotter. I would recomend the new CPU's, as there designs are much more efficient. When cores are not used they are temporarily docked, 0%, and of course heat and power consumption goes down. The 6100 was a bit of a disappointment, but the newer piledrivers really fixed the sometimes poor performance. THe 965 was a pretty solid performer, I remember playing Call of Priyat (sp?) and was fine on the 965 and with the same settings the 6100 fell on it's face, with solid stuttering! The 6350 would be reasonably similar to the 8350 and it is effortless. Even though it is a 125 watt CPU, most of the time, with non-gaming, you will only use a small fraction of that. Power consumption, as is heat, is variable to the load, it's not a constant. I think in the long run you will appreciate spending a little more and getting the 6350. The G Skill Ripjaws will be fine and yes lower settings are faster, but barely. DOn't worry too much about memory. I found some crucial ballistic tatical 1866 8Gb 9-9-9-27 ( 4x2 ) for $35 and it works great. I had CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1600 before and it was barely slower, but no big deal!
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May 9, 2013 1:05:43 AM

avjguy2362 said:
I have owned a 965II, 6100, and now use a 8350. The 965 is faster than the 6100, but will run a little hotter. I would recomend the new CPU's, as there designs are much more efficient. When cores are not used they are temporarily docked, 0%, and of course heat and power consumption goes down. The 6100 was a bit of a disappointment, but the newer piledrivers really fixed the sometimes poor performance. THe 965 was a pretty solid performer, I remember playing Call of Priyat (sp?) and was fine on the 965 and with the same settings the 6100 fell on it's face, with solid stuttering! The 6350 would be reasonably similar to the 8350 and it is effortless. Even though it is a 125 watt CPU, most of the time, with non-gaming, you will only use a small fraction of that. Power consumption, as is heat, is variable to the load, it's not a constant. I think in the long run you will appreciate spending a little more and getting the 6350. The G Skill Ripjaws will be fine and yes lower settings are faster, but barely. DOn't worry too much about memory. I found some crucial ballistic tatical 1866 8Gb 9-9-9-27 ( 4x2 ) for $35 and it works great. I had CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1600 before and it was barely slower, but no big deal!

+1 all of the above. Don't own an AMD but my roommate's got one. 8120. and in all real world things, his system and mine are pretty much the same. He actually games a bit better coz he has a 650ti.

Stick with the newer architecture.

all the best
-Satyam
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May 9, 2013 7:54:55 AM

avjguy2362 said:
I have owned a 965II, 6100, and now use a 8350. The 965 is faster than the 6100, but will run a little hotter. I would recomend the new CPU's, as there designs are much more efficient. When cores are not used they are temporarily docked, 0%, and of course heat and power consumption goes down. The 6100 was a bit of a disappointment, but the newer piledrivers really fixed the sometimes poor performance. THe 965 was a pretty solid performer, I remember playing Call of Priyat (sp?) and was fine on the 965 and with the same settings the 6100 fell on it's face, with solid stuttering! The 6350 would be reasonably similar to the 8350 and it is effortless. Even though it is a 125 watt CPU, most of the time, with non-gaming, you will only use a small fraction of that. Power consumption, as is heat, is variable to the load, it's not a constant. I think in the long run you will appreciate spending a little more and getting the 6350. The G Skill Ripjaws will be fine and yes lower settings are faster, but barely. DOn't worry too much about memory. I found some crucial ballistic tatical 1866 8Gb 9-9-9-27 ( 4x2 ) for $35 and it works great. I had CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1600 before and it was barely slower, but no big deal!


A very detailed and informative answer, thank you. I'd love to spring for the 8350 @ $189 but just can't do it right now. It sounds like for my family's needs the new chips will perform admirably without even needing to be overclocked, agree? Would you say the 6350 is adequately superior to the 4350? Oddly, they are the same price.

I just found the 6300 for $112.00 shipped. !!!! @#$% I'll admit...that's still tempting. But, the 6350 is only $25 more, and still within my budget. hmmmm still waffling.

That's a great price on 8GB of RAM!! Is it still around at that price? I've never had a problem with Crucial and would buy that instead in a heartbeat.A bonus if I go with the newer architecture is I would prefer 1866 over the 1600 in those particular Ripjaws. The G skill snipers offer 1866 that fit, but they are pricey. I just wasn't confident about spending $70 bux on 1866 RAM and then finding out the Phenom 965 didn't like it.

I have two of those SAPPHIRE 100323-2L Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit GPU's >> probably gonna Crossfire them. They were super cheap, only $29 bux each a few months back, and I'm curious how well they'll perform. Apparently each one can run up to 3 monitors. !! Doubt I ever will but that's kinda cool for the money I thought. Anyone have any experience running more than one of them together?
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May 9, 2013 9:06:31 AM

The HD 6570s are relatively weak compared to current cycle GPUs. If I were you, I would look at something like the HD 7750/7770/7790.

If you are going to OC, get the FX6300, if not, the FX6350 will provide higher clock speeds in stock format. The FX6300 will probably be enough...but the FX6350 will be just a little more performance.
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May 9, 2013 11:35:52 AM

Don't get a phenom now, it's old design power hungry and a bad overclocker compared to new piledrivers. With $30 fan you will overclock new piledriver to 4.3-4.6 easily but phenom you will be lucky to get 4.2 even. New piledriver also have better ipc, like 10% better. There is just no reason for phenom now, its just out dated and you should buy fx6300.
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May 9, 2013 12:03:06 PM

8350rocks said:
The HD 6570s are relatively weak compared to current cycle GPUs. If I were you, I would look at something like the HD 7750/7770/7790.

If you are going to OC, get the FX6300, if not, the FX6350 will provide higher clock speeds in stock format. The FX6300 will probably be enough...but the FX6350 will be just a little more performance.


Thanks 8350. [sorry] Are the 6350s easy to overclock as well? If so that sounds like the CPU that will hold me over until I upgrade the longest.

re: upgrading my GPUs >> that will need to be down the road sometime. I already own the two 6570s and as long as they can handle Netflix, NFL Rewind, HULU and play Blu Ray media and the such it will have to do for now. Got both for under $60 bux...iirc new ones "START" at $80+ each. But from what I can tell, with GPUs it seems you get what you pay for.
And I set my bar kinda low so I am prepared to be underwhelmed just in case. :pt1cable: 
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May 9, 2013 1:02:33 PM

For your needs, they'll be fine for now (the HD6570s)...

The FX series is a very easy overclocker. It will take some adjustments to get things down. I would recommend reading up on overclocking before you get into it...but you should be able to simply adjust the multiplier up a few adjustments before actually having to adjust the stock voltage.

BTW, I am not clutchc, though he gives sound advice as well (I'll take is a compliment).

One HD 7770 would provide more GPU than your 2 HD 6570s together though...you can get one of those for about $100.00
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May 9, 2013 3:57:51 PM

Thanks 8350. I double posted my question last night without realizing it and Clutchc had a string of replies on the other thread. Sorry for the slip-up--and good name btw.

Thanks to all who gave input, ALL of it was helpful. :) 

I'm now 85/15 going with the 6350 over the 6300.

Although the Phenom II 965 BE @ $80 sounds like a steal, the 6350 should tide me over the longest with room to grow within itself by overclocking it later if/when needed. The SSD will help now, and saving up for a quality fan and a really high level GPU should round me out for the short, the mid, and possibly even some of the LONG term...due to the ability to add up to 24 GB more RAM later on (!).

THG is the best.
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May 9, 2013 4:37:50 PM

Good stuff man...good luck with whichever you choose :) 
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May 9, 2013 7:34:18 PM

I think you will be fine with your current video cards. For non-gaming they are more than sufficient. You will know when you need more GPU, when you get a new game and your cards are clearly not up to the task! Wow, I just looked up my memory on NewEgg and it is &75 more than I paid, Ouch. They must have had an excess inventory at the time, and I just got lucky on that one. 2 Years ago I paid $229 for a 50GB Vertex2, and they dropped so fast right after I bought it, I could have bought 2 for less a few months later. You win some, you lose some!
My understanding about these CPU's is that there is really only one FX processor. All models below the 8350 are simply binned as lower models because one or more cores were not stable at or above 4 Ghz on an air cooler no more effective than AMD's own mediocre air cooler over some testing period. So each processor is under-clocked (reduced multiplier) or have modules disabled. What this means is that a 6350 with one module disabled, may actually have several cores completely stable at 4+ Ghz, but one or more cores that are only stable for extended periods at 3.9Ghz max. Some of you may have heard of the Centurion FX processor, and I am guessing that a very small percentage of processors are stable at 5+ Ghz across all cores and AMD is likely putting those aside to build an inventory to sell at a premium for those not comfortable with over-clocking their 8350 processors that far, or more importantly don't have a more extreme cooling solution ( Big air or H80 equivalents or bigger ). I have heard of people getting more than 5 Ghz, but it seems most fall a little short, probably because of not having big cooling, but some may not make it regardless. I safely got 4.7Ghz on a medium sized Thermalright 120mm dual fan cooler, but want to get a swifttech H220, before I go any further, just to feel safe. If my speculation is correct, I would guess that a 6350 would probably over-clock to about 4.2Ghz max, but perhaps not for an extended time without big air or water cooling. Stock, the real world difference is probably not going to be noticed and makes it a great value over the 8350, short of a little less multi-tasking capabilities.
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July 1, 2013 7:20:32 AM

Funny, I'm actually having the same issues deciding between keeping my 965 BE or upgrading to AMD FX-4350...

Everything I read the differences not big enough for me to upgrade to AMD FX-4350, if anything I should just OC my current CPU...

AMD FX-4350 has:
Faster processing in single threaded applications
Newer instruction sets
3 core CPU (not a true quad core)

965 BE has:
Faster processing in muticore processes
True quad core

Most games nowadays are moving towards muticore processing so I'd really hate to move to the FX if it does nothing for me in the near feature. Also the "faster single threading processing" most sites I refer too state its about 2% faster... almost not even worth mentioning....

I checked tons of benchmarks and receives on "bottlenecking" I can't see any real reason why to even think about upgrading to AMD FX-4350 other then the core clock speed which I should be easily able to match with 965 BE with OCing...

Any ideas?

Here is my post I've been trying to resolve some FPS issues if anyone is interested, feedback would be very helpful.

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1717274/low-fps-...
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July 1, 2013 8:23:05 AM

The 4300/4350 has 4 cores and 2 floating point units.

The 6300/6350 has 6 cores and 3 floating point units.

The 8320/8350 has 8 cores and 4 floating point units.

If you were to upgrade, I would recommend a 6300 since you like to overclock (should hit 4.5-4.6 without issue)...the advantage of the 6350 is higher binning, and you would likely have enough head room to get around 5.0 GHz. If you wanted to go further, the 8350 is AMD's king of the hill for enthusiasts right now, and is an excellent CPU.

They will perform better than your Phenom II, the 1st gen bulldozer CPUs weren't much improvement, they were more a move laterally to a new architecture; however, with a 15% improvement across the board over BD, they are quite potent.
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July 2, 2013 7:24:50 AM

I myself just purchased the 8350 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'm upgrading from 956 BE phen x4, I'm sad to see it go because I loved how well it performed awhile I had it but its 5 years old and time to get with the times : (

I'd suggest just to get the 8350, pony up the extra cash you wont regret it specially when you see how long it will last you!

I was thinking of even waiting for the 9590 or even 9370 but one there going to be over 500$ and two currently only being sold to computer manufactures (for computer whole resale), wont be out for retail for awhile...

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/31127/amd-5ghz-fx-9590-cp...
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July 2, 2013 8:05:14 AM

bluefrenchfries said:


A very detailed and informative answer, thank you. I'd love to spring for the 8350 @ $189 but just can't do it right now. It sounds like for my family's needs the new chips will perform admirably without even needing to be overclocked, agree? Would you say the 6350 is adequately superior to the 4350? Oddly, they are the same price.

I just found the 6300 for $112.00 shipped. !!!! @#$% I'll admit...that's still tempting. But, the 6350 is only $25 more, and still within my budget. hmmmm still waffling.



8320 is $159 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 2, 2013 10:32:43 AM

You'll noticed that a lot, upgrading to the next level higher is normally a small gab of 15-35$ with AMD.

Honestly if your short on cash get the 6300 it will do for now but just remember you will be upgrading sooner than if you just saved a little more and got the 8350.

Good thing about FX versions is there are very easy to overclock so even with the 6300 you will get some life out of it but not only goes the 8350 overclock at faster speeds due to the stock clock speed being faster but also it can be overclocked further than the 6300 can. (larger overclock ranges it can support)
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July 2, 2013 11:14:05 AM

All the fx cpus overclock well and almost all are at a great price, so would get the 4300/6300 b4 the 4350/6350 as their just slightly higher clocked and best deal is the 8320, the 6300 with an OC catches the 8350, and the for the cost would go with the 6300 over the 4300. If looking at the bulldozer cpus just get a 965BE lol bulldozer wasnt the best as they compared to the phenom IIs

Right now on Newegg alot of the fx cpus have $10 off or a $20 giftcard which is a great deal and allows u to get a better cpu that fits ur budget
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