When is the new AMD Flag Ship model going to be released and how will it compete with Haswell?

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David Fiks

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This is my current gaming rig

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Ws5z

I want to upgrade the CPU to the new Flag ship model when it comes out but I dont know if its gonna be worth it. Are there any benchmarks or news out already? And when is the estimated release date? Also I really want to get the new NVIDIA GTX 770 but I dont know how AMD CPU's work with NVIDIA GPU's. Does it make a difference? Thanks for the help.
 
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'worth' is a very subjective preference. while some might see the 'worth' in upgrading, others might not. i am not saying you should upgrade. definitely not without any proof/review or at least one round of price reduction.

no. not on steamroller cpu vs haswell cpu.

haswell is launching in june... intel has a countdown on its website.
steamroller is rumored in q1 2014 but amd is really silent about steamroller cpus. anything can change any time.

they work just fine. but you should wait for benchmarks.

fx8350 seems to handle sli slightly better than crossfire, single card is similar.

you have a top of the line amd cpu and gfx card already, so i don't understand why you want to upgrade. the only thing i'd suggest is a better psu, like seasonic x or corsair ax/hx psu other than raidmax.
 
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Haswell = 10% better than previous Intel generation. That's how they roll. If you want it, get it.
Next gen flagship AMD = going to continue to be "less good" than Intel CPUs until developers fix their s*** and start utilizing multiple cores.
In the end, you have to decide what works for you. :)
 
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This is actually very likely considering the new consoles will be octa-core AMDs, making porting much simpler and much more partial to multicore setups and AMD.

Though AVX might be a wild card eventually.
 
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Only time will tell. I mean, there will be an eventual shift towards software actually utilizing multiple cores, but if it doesn't happen fast enough, AMD might not be left in the game to reap the rewards it's been waiting for. I think it'd be interesting to see multithreaded optimized Intel CPUs lol
 
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Intel CPUs have been very well optimized for multithreads with HyperThreading actually. Parallel ALU and FPU instructions run well on it. The problem is multiple ALU instructions in sequence; and this is where AMD shines; even now.

I personally think AMD will hold on long enough to reap the rewards.
 
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I agree to an extent. My current main is an AMD A8-3520M, and believe it or not: It is more than powerful for 95% of my needs. It's pretty quiet and cool too after maintenance and undervolting, and gets good battery life too.

I could never fathom using any more CPU power except for when I wanna emulate GC and Wii games, I couldnt fathom using more GPU power either. I'm in an oddly happy place c:

Though I'm excited to see Haswell's new IGP for ULV Mobile processors. I'm itching to see the damn thing. As much as I support AMD, my next computer may be an Intel just due to power consumption advantage.
 
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Look at Kabini
 
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We'll see. Im not a fan of FX modules. If Kabini ends up using an adaptation of them in a much smaller power envelope, I may switch to Intel. We'll see.
 
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What would you say the expected life time is on the 8350. I've heard many people say how Intel lasts a lot longer and AMD just kinda dies out after about two years. Is this true with your experience?

 
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This is extremely false in my experience. Phenom IIs stil have a massive amount of processing power given their price. Also, Athlon II.
 
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AMD will last as long as intel...without doubt.

@elemein:

Kabini uses a modified K10 core, it is on Jaguar Architecture, not Bulldozer.

Though, I cannot understand why you would switch to intel with Steamroller coming...that would be a fool's errand. Haswell is a real world 6-7% gain over IB, and it actually goes backward in some benchmarks...I forget where I saw them posted...but haswell with 2600 MHz memory is equal to IB with 1600 MHz memory.
 
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So would you say it would diffidently be a good idea to upgrade to Steamroller even if I have the Piledriver?

 
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If Kabini is truly off K10 like my current A8 is, then it would depend on power and heat.

I am not making a fools decision by any means, I just dont think you know my uses or environment. CPU power is pretty much irrelevant to me. Power consumption and heat is. GPU power is pretty much irrelevant to me, but droping it too far is, so we'll see how the HD 5000 is. (Not the 4600,5200, or any of those, I mean HD5000. Im sure that gives off my environment.)

Steamroller is irrelevant to me entirely to me if it wont be used in Kabini.
 
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I wouldn't say that just yet...

Steamroller is going to be able to drop right into your motherboard though, the socket is the same for it and Piledriver.

Personally, I may consider doing it, but primarily because my wife is hounding me to upgrade her PC. I could give her the 8350 setup I have now...and build a new SR
 
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Well I know people are saying that there is supposed to be a %30 increase over Bulldozer. But thats bulldozer. That was also otherwise known as faildozer, soooo. Im a little skeptical. What would you say most of the performance boost would be in. Or if there is going to be one at all.

 
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It is primarily aimed at single core performance, and increased parallelism.

Which basically means, the improvements to the front end will help in single core by as much as 30% and the improvements in the architecture pipelines, etc. will increase multithreaded performance.
 
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So then does the 8350 really have 8 cores? Or is it like the intel where there is 4 cores and 4 cores of multithreading. How will it be on steamroller?

 
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The 8 cores of the 8350 are similar to Hyper-Threading, but a little better. And a lot of your questions require us to see into the future.
 
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Yeah, your needs are a bit different than mine though. I like to crank my games up as high as I can :D With an i5-3450 and GTX 660, can't get very far past 60FPS on maximum on most games though. Luckily I only have a 60Hz monitor at the moment anyways. I agree that Intel is typically (although by no means always) better for power consumption and heat. Ivy Bridge turned out to be pretty bad on the heat dissipation for most users. My CPU runs just fine with the stock cooler, but it's also running at stock clock, etc.
 
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When it comes to the mobile and low power arena, down in the Mobile, ULV, and Atom/Bobcat sectors where I usually am and occasionally work in (most of my work is actually done on customer desktop PCs oddly enough...), Intel always reigns supreme when it comes to heat and power consumption when comparing sector to sector. Though of course, they'll always be far behind in IGP power and much more expensive. In a way, the mobile sector is simpler. But things get even more complicated when the mobile sector doesnt follow the rules of the desktop sector (i5's have HyperThreading. Yeah. I know, who knew?)... So it's unique.

Either way, your environment is definitely an exciting one to work in. I love messing with GPUs and CPUs that are capable of over 3.0 GHz easily and GPUs that aren't the size of my thumb or smaller. Almost completely different worlds to work in to be honest.
 
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I learned a lot when looking to upgrade my crappy "cheap-o" laptop. I learned that every mobile Intel CPU is dual core except the highest i7 (can't recall the number+letter combination) which is actually quad core and not just hyperthreaded. Mobile is definitely a much different monster!
 
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There are actually a lot of i7 dual cores and quad cores; like the i7-3520M being a dual core (which has an odd name similarity to my A8-3520M... From AMD... And is a quad core... But moving on,) and the i7-3630QM being a quad core, the Q moniker denoting "Quad." There are also the 3610QM, the 3612QM, and heck, even down here in the mobile sector, we have XM (extreme mobile) processors like the i7-3940XM. All of which, all the processors are locked except the QM being unlocked for about 400 MHz of headroom, and the XMs are fully unlocked. On the other hand, all Llano and Brazos APUs were completely unlocked except for a few voltage locks preventing the CPU from going under 1.1V on Turbo... Which made sense in a way.

Definitely a strange world down here...
 
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