Is this a good idea? (AMD vs Intel)

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David Fiks

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So I finally decided to give no more fucks and just go with an AMD 8350 and then upgrade to the new steamroller when it comes out. Getting an Intel 4770k with a new motherboard is just insanely crazy and way out of my price range. Plus after reading nearly every forum post out there about Haswell vs Steamroller and Piledriver etc etc it seems like the performance difference between the 8350 and the 3770k and the 4770k is very minimal and the 8350 actually out performs in many cases. So I think the 8350 is going to be for me. One thing I am a little worried on though is weather or not the steamroller CPU will ever even come out. I hear some people saying how AMD is going out of business and they may not be able to stay up long enough to sell there 8370's or whatever they are called.

Anyway thats besides the point. I guess my real question is, should I go with the 8350 since the price is so much cheaper for nearly the same performance? (I plan to overclock the 8350 because im getting a Corsair H100i) And then upgrade to the new steamroller? Or spend the extra cash and just go with intel. Im so conflicted. :(

This is what I plan on building sometime in august:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WxnG

The graphics card is just a price match kinda of thing. I will be getting the GTX 770 instead.
 
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listen, i've owned both intel and amd cpus. right now i'm on an AMD. i've built plenty of intel systems recently as well. Generally speaking in 95% of your computer tasks there is no discernable difference from a cheap little Athlon x4, and an i5-3570k.

the human eye and mind can't detect the cpu differences almost all of the time with your system.

However, the other 5% of the time... when you're on a 90 person even in WoW or you're unzipping 3 gb sized files, you WILL be able to tell the difference.

Currently AMD is generally "good enough". But it's not the "best". when budget IS an issue i wouldn't hesitate to...
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David Fiks

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I cant really say if its true but its what i've been reading. I really hope not because your right. Intel will jack up there prices like fuck. :(
 
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I won't talk you out of the fx8350. personally the more people who buy an AMD the better in my book. They ARE in that sad of a shape that pretty much every purchase counts.

AMD should be around for a few more cpu generations... so i wouldn't be too distraught over ending up with a dead upgrade path. it shouldn't happen for a few years if it does.
 
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David Fiks

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Do you think upgrading to the new steamroller CPU will be a worthy upgrade from the 8350?
 
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No one knows; AMD is keeping Steamroller very well under wraps. The jump is rumoured to be a massive 30% over Bulldozer, but no one knows any solid facts.

Just be assured it'll come out for sure. AMD isnt going anywhere for a very long time, and in the next few years we may see AMD gain the upper hand, atleast in gaming. The next few years will be very important.
 
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Even a millionaire watches his nickels. +$200 for the same piece of shyt makes little sense. But you have a valid point on dead path Ex. FM-1 Socket
 
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it sounds like steamroller will be coming out next year. if your upgrade is now, then get the fx... if you can wait 12 months get a steamroller.

from what it sounds like from AMD, steamroller will be a massive improvement in the chip design over vishera. apparently they're making a series of improvements that will yield 20-30% improvement in performance, in addition to a die shrink

i need to see it to believe it... but it would be nice if true.
 
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David Fiks

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Since its such a big improvement does that mean that the 8 cores will be faster? Will it be more optimized for gaming?

 
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as 20-30% increase would put it around a first generation "core i" chips for single core performance.

plus all the extra cores amd loves to shove into their chips and these things should be pretty silly good in multi-threaded performance.
 
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David Fiks

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I feel like your more of an Intel kinda guy. You seem kinda sarcastic. Is AMD not a good way to go..?

 
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listen, i've owned both intel and amd cpus. right now i'm on an AMD. i've built plenty of intel systems recently as well. Generally speaking in 95% of your computer tasks there is no discernable difference from a cheap little Athlon x4, and an i5-3570k.

the human eye and mind can't detect the cpu differences almost all of the time with your system.

However, the other 5% of the time... when you're on a 90 person even in WoW or you're unzipping 3 gb sized files, you WILL be able to tell the difference.

Currently AMD is generally "good enough". But it's not the "best". when budget IS an issue i wouldn't hesitate to suggest someone build around the fx6300 (increadible little chip for the price) or in more extreme cases the PhII x4 965, or even an A10/A8. That said, once you start to go up over $800 for a budget, getting an AMD gets less and less attractive. Oh, sure you can pimp out some serious amd builds up to $1000... so there are a few that are worth it over $800, but past that point it gets dumber and dumber to go with them, and inevitably there will be an intel build somewhere that will slap it around.

I'm not a fan of intel, i'm just a realist. Intel has the best CPUs. I also want AMD around so intel doesn't jack up the price and kill DIY enthusiasts computer building with soldered on cpus and the like.

So for me, i can easily suggest AMD when it makes sense, and even root for them to succeed, however, that doesn't mean i don't see the obvious flaws and shortcoming from that company. so if i sound sarcastic, that's probably because i feel sceptical. AMD is poorly managed and the don't seem to have any sort of plan for the future. Their solution to most of their problems the last few years has seemed to be "MOOR CORZ!"
 
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Actually, considering AMD leadership is a group of guys like John Gustafson, Jim Keller, and Raja Kudori, as well as CTO Mark Papermaster, I think you will begin to see a "silicon renaissance" of sorts there beginning to unfold in the next 2-3 years and further down the line. GPUs are going strong for AMD, and they are even gaining market share there...they're opening up into new market areas with competitive products as well.

Additionally, Jim Keller was one of the chief architects from the K7 days when AMD blew past intel in a matter of months, and stayed there for several years. (AMD should have never let him leave to go to Apple, but at least we have him back now).

Considering by the time steamroller launches, he will have been there 18 months already...I doubt he hasn't had his hands on it directly. I would even wager that the slightly delayed release has something to do with his oversight of the architecture.

Interview with Jim Keller: http://www.rage3d.com/articles/hardware/amd_worldcast/

AMD are on track to catch up on high performance cores
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-Jim Keller
 
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