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May 14, 2013 11:38:38 AM

Any help is much appreciated. I have a GTX 460 768mb and was wondering, how much benefit would I get from upgrading this card? I have a core2duo 2.93ghz and 4 gb ram on windows 7. My frames on max payne 3 are terrible and I'd really like to upgrade. I heard recently that quad cores don't have an effect on gaming. Thanks.

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May 14, 2013 3:14:38 PM

Quad cores definitely DO have an effect on gaming. Most modern games, especially visually or conceptually advanced games make heavy use of your cpu. For instance, I have an 'old' 6 core phenom running at 3.2 ghz and I notice that my CPU utilization is usually pretty high among all the cores during gameplay. For you, I would check to see if your mobo supports core 2 quad, and try to snag one for a bargain off of ebay, It definitely won't hurt gameplay for modern games. Q8300's are pretty common and affordable and run at 2.5 ghz stock with double the instruction logic and thread count as your current chip. Also look at other cpu's in the Q series like 6xxx and 9xxx, ebay's great for getting used parts for dirt cheap.

Also, check to see if your board supports more ram. 4gb is good but 8gb is better.

Finally, the 768mb version of the 460 was somewhat crippled if I remember, in regards to core count and memory bandwidth, as well as, obviously the total memory size.
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May 14, 2013 3:31:45 PM

I'll have to figure that out because I have a Dell Vostro 220 regular case with an upped power supply. I dont know if the cpu can be upgraded.. its some old foxconn motherboard. I'll have to look into it.

but bottom line, do you think it's worth it to get this 180$ card like a radeon 7850? According to this: http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=676&gid2=4... it looks like a reasonable purchase as long as my cpu isn't a huge issue.
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May 14, 2013 3:36:12 PM

edit: it looks like a LGA 775 chipset, which means I should be able to upgrade to core 2 quad I think.

Also, thanks for the help
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May 14, 2013 3:44:46 PM

It's a little more complicated than that. Celeron D, late pentium 4's, pentium D, pentium dual core, core 2 duo, and core 2 quad all run on lga775, however not all are compatible with the same boards

Core 2 duo and core 2 quad often go hand in hand, but OEM's can be weird and might have a bios limitation, making you stuck with C2D. But try to do some homework on that board and see if it can be supported.

Personally, i wouldn't get a new graphics card if you can't upgrade to a quad core cpu. That core 2 duo will hold it back. However, if you can, i'd drop like 50 bucks on a core 2 quad on ebay first, then look into getting a new gpu.

I have a 7870 in my pc and it can max out most games at 1080p with excellent framerates, so a 7850 should be pretty close
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May 14, 2013 4:00:26 PM

Thanks! I have found my motherboard is this: 0JJW8N (Socket 775) and am trying to find out if it takes a core 2 quad but google is not being nice on this one so far.

and only 50$ for one?? Wouldn't that be pretty slow? Will there be a difference between my 2.93ghz core2duo and a 2.4ghz core2quad?

psychoclown81 said:
It's a little more complicated than that. Celeron D, late pentium 4's, pentium D, pentium dual core, core 2 duo, and core 2 quad all run on lga775, however not all are compatible with the same boards

Core 2 duo and core 2 quad often go hand in hand, but OEM's can be weird and might have a bios limitation, making you stuck with C2D. But try to do some homework on that board and see if it can be supported.

Personally, i wouldn't get a new graphics card if you can't upgrade to a quad core cpu. That core 2 duo will hold it back. However, if you can, i'd drop like 50 bucks on a core 2 quad on ebay first, then look into getting a new gpu.

I have a 7870 in my pc and it can max out most games at 1080p with excellent framerates, so a 7850 should be pretty close


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May 14, 2013 4:06:00 PM

well, here's a oversimplified version of what you're looking at in regards to clock speed vs core count. Since core 2 quad and core 2 duo are running the same architecture, you can get away with doing something like this

2.93 x 2 = 5.86 theoretical "performance points"

2.4 x 4 = 9.6 theoretical "performance points"

disregarding any loss in performance scaling due to the shared resources between the 2 cpu dies of the core 2 quad chip (Core 2 quad is literally 2 core 2 duos slapped together in one package), and assuming that modern day applications make full use of muliprocessing or multithreaded computation, you're looking at a vast performance increase despite the small drop in clock speed.
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May 14, 2013 4:20:32 PM

Thats fantastic. Looks like the direction i'll be going. Sounds like i'm already bottlenecked and this would be a cheaper solution.

Although I'm confused on the exact core2quad to buy. It looks like I have a wolfdale core2duo and my motherboard, 0JJW8N (Socket 775), looks like it supports quad core (but I can't find a definitive answer). So do I just shop for a wolfdale socket 775 core2quad and thats all i have to worry about? and get thermal paste? Thanks a lot.
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May 14, 2013 4:55:30 PM

If it supports any core 2 quad, it will support all core 2 quads, within its Thermal Design Power (TDP)

your board probably supports up to 95w cpu's (check to verify). so the extreme C2Q's won't work (QX9770 for example) but those are overpriced and unnecessary. Look for a 8xxx or 6xxx series, ie a Q8200, 8300, 8400, or 6600 or 6700. Those are your best bet because they are the most common. The 8xxx series is newer and should run cooler, maybe support a few new features, but they have less l2 cache than the 6xxx series, so it's either or. I think i saw a q8400 for around 52 bucks, that would be what I would shoot for. Make sure the seller allows returns in case your PC is not compatible.
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May 14, 2013 6:10:21 PM

psychoclown81 said:
If it supports any core 2 quad, it will support all core 2 quads, within its Thermal Design Power (TDP)

your board probably supports up to 95w cpu's (check to verify). so the extreme C2Q's won't work (QX9770 for example) but those are overpriced and unnecessary. Look for a 8xxx or 6xxx series, ie a Q8200, 8300, 8400, or 6600 or 6700. Those are your best bet because they are the most common. The 8xxx series is newer and should run cooler, maybe support a few new features, but they have less l2 cache than the 6xxx series, so it's either or. I think i saw a q8400 for around 52 bucks, that would be what I would shoot for. Make sure the seller allows returns in case your PC is not compatible.

I found this when researching if my stupid mobo will take core2quad when I found a post from this website:

mikeangs2004_84
August 31, 2009 7:55:11 PM
mikeangs2004_84

Dell's website specifies a maximum of 4Gb of ram with a cpu of Core 2 Duo E8600. I have already violated its specifications in MANY ways including upgrading to Core 2 Quad Q8200 and Q9550 on LGA 775. Dell Vostro 220 has been running flawlessly for a year now, even with the addition of a 400W Nvidia GeForce 9800GT. However, I clearly do not see why I can't switch the ram....

Looks like it officially doesn't work but unofficially it does. So maybe I should shoot for a cpu close to what he did. Ill buy it and report back if it works out. Sincerely appreciate all help
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May 14, 2013 8:00:29 PM

psychoclown81 said:
If it supports any core 2 quad, it will support all core 2 quads, within its Thermal Design Power (TDP)

Actually it also needs to support the proper FSB speed.
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May 16, 2013 2:04:53 AM

ropeadopa said:
psychoclown81 said:
If it supports any core 2 quad, it will support all core 2 quads, within its Thermal Design Power (TDP)

your board probably supports up to 95w cpu's (check to verify). so the extreme C2Q's won't work (QX9770 for example) but those are overpriced and unnecessary. Look for a 8xxx or 6xxx series, ie a Q8200, 8300, 8400, or 6600 or 6700. Those are your best bet because they are the most common. The 8xxx series is newer and should run cooler, maybe support a few new features, but they have less l2 cache than the 6xxx series, so it's either or. I think i saw a q8400 for around 52 bucks, that would be what I would shoot for. Make sure the seller allows returns in case your PC is not compatible.

I found this when researching if my stupid mobo will take core2quad when I found a post from this website:

mikeangs2004_84
August 31, 2009 7:55:11 PM
mikeangs2004_84

Dell's website specifies a maximum of 4Gb of ram with a cpu of Core 2 Duo E8600. I have already violated its specifications in MANY ways including upgrading to Core 2 Quad Q8200 and Q9550 on LGA 775. Dell Vostro 220 has been running flawlessly for a year now, even with the addition of a 400W Nvidia GeForce 9800GT. However, I clearly do not see why I can't switch the ram....

Looks like it officially doesn't work but unofficially it does. So maybe I should shoot for a cpu close to what he did. Ill buy it and report back if it works out. Sincerely appreciate all help


IT is good to know about Q9550, the rest is not new for me.

This is the list of Dell officially validated CPUs for Vostro 220

80X97 Yorkfield Quad Core Q8400 2.66GHz
N654J Wolfdale Dual Core E8600 3.33GHz
D923J Wolfdale Dual Core E8500 3.16GHz
06YMG Wolfdale Dual Core E7600 3.06GHz
H399J Wolfdale Dual Core E8400 3.00GHz
T116N Wolfdale Dual Core E7500 2.93GHz
9HP6Y Wolfdale Dual Core E6300 2.80GHz
Y442H Wolfdale Dual Core E7300 2.66GHz
YG8MC Wolfdale Dual Core E5200 2.50GHz
K151N Wolfdale Dual Core E4700 2.80GHz

Numbers on the left are Dell part numbers, knowledge is the power.
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May 16, 2013 9:19:55 AM

Excellent research, kisianik
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May 16, 2013 11:33:39 AM

Thanks for the help but I already bought the 2.4ghz q6600. Found a used one on amazon for 57 or so. I'm sure it'll be alright... hopefully.... The jump in price after 2.4ghz was double.


Kisianik said:
ropeadopa said:
psychoclown81 said:
If it supports any core 2 quad, it will support all core 2 quads, within its Thermal Design Power (TDP)

your board probably supports up to 95w cpu's (check to verify). so the extreme C2Q's won't work (QX9770 for example) but those are overpriced and unnecessary. Look for a 8xxx or 6xxx series, ie a Q8200, 8300, 8400, or 6600 or 6700. Those are your best bet because they are the most common. The 8xxx series is newer and should run cooler, maybe support a few new features, but they have less l2 cache than the 6xxx series, so it's either or. I think i saw a q8400 for around 52 bucks, that would be what I would shoot for. Make sure the seller allows returns in case your PC is not compatible.

I found this when researching if my stupid mobo will take core2quad when I found a post from this website:

mikeangs2004_84
August 31, 2009 7:55:11 PM
mikeangs2004_84

Dell's website specifies a maximum of 4Gb of ram with a cpu of Core 2 Duo E8600. I have already violated its specifications in MANY ways including upgrading to Core 2 Quad Q8200 and Q9550 on LGA 775. Dell Vostro 220 has been running flawlessly for a year now, even with the addition of a 400W Nvidia GeForce 9800GT. However, I clearly do not see why I can't switch the ram....

Looks like it officially doesn't work but unofficially it does. So maybe I should shoot for a cpu close to what he did. Ill buy it and report back if it works out. Sincerely appreciate all help


IT is good to know about Q9550, the rest is not new for me.

This is the list of Dell officially validated CPUs for Vostro 220

80X97 Yorkfield Quad Core Q8400 2.66GHz
N654J Wolfdale Dual Core E8600 3.33GHz
D923J Wolfdale Dual Core E8500 3.16GHz
06YMG Wolfdale Dual Core E7600 3.06GHz
H399J Wolfdale Dual Core E8400 3.00GHz
T116N Wolfdale Dual Core E7500 2.93GHz
9HP6Y Wolfdale Dual Core E6300 2.80GHz
Y442H Wolfdale Dual Core E7300 2.66GHz
YG8MC Wolfdale Dual Core E5200 2.50GHz
K151N Wolfdale Dual Core E4700 2.80GHz

Numbers on the left are Dell part numbers, knowledge is the power.


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May 16, 2013 11:56:06 AM

ropeadopa said:
Thanks for the help but I already bought the 2.4ghz q6600. Found a used one on amazon for 57 or so. I'm sure it'll be alright... hopefully.... The jump in price after 2.4ghz was double.


Not to rain on your parade or anything but what makes the Q6600 a "good" C2Q chip is its ability to overclock well, which you won't be doing on that motherboard.

If you live in the US, you could snag one of these boards and possibly be able to overclock that chip and also start running DDR3 memory...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

As it stands, I wouldn't have worried with the board or the chip. Just for your information these older chips can't compete with an Ivy Bridge i3 (dual core, hyper-threaded) without being overclocked, and don't stand a chance against them without being overclocked. Tom's has an article about this.

A lot of people take away from that article that these older chips can still hang, but in all honesty, they just cannot. If you live near a Microcenter (which I don't, but I know of these things) a Core i3 3225 and H77 motherboard cost you $165 and it draws less power and usually wins in benchmarks even against overclocked versions of C2Q.

That is just my opinion, about not investing in old technology. I wish I would have gotten to this thread sooner so I could let you know about some of these things. I just wanted to let you know that you shouldn't dump anymore money into the older technology because newer, faster, more efficient chips can be had for not much more.
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May 16, 2013 12:05:34 PM

The Q6600 is a relatively low stock clock. I would be better if your motherboard could OC.
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May 16, 2013 12:19:21 PM

When installed please post back with the results, so we can add Q6600 to the list of possible choices.
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May 16, 2013 3:30:04 PM

Well I'm working with a dell case. Installing a motherboard seems next to impossible. for about 60$ if I can get a decent increase in performance I'm happy. I don't need a ton of power and I dont really keep up on all new software. I'd say it's a good investment if I get 2 years out of it and maybe an extra 5-10 frames in some games.
and Ill post back when installed. Hope it's not too hard. I installed a 600 watt powersupply in this thing.


jdowdy10 said:
ropeadopa said:
Thanks for the help but I already bought the 2.4ghz q6600. Found a used one on amazon for 57 or so. I'm sure it'll be alright... hopefully.... The jump in price after 2.4ghz was double.


Not to rain on your parade or anything but what makes the Q6600 a "good" C2Q chip is its ability to overclock well, which you won't be doing on that motherboard.

If you live in the US, you could snag one of these boards and possibly be able to overclock that chip and also start running DDR3 memory...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

As it stands, I wouldn't have worried with the board or the chip. Just for your information these older chips can't compete with an Ivy Bridge i3 (dual core, hyper-threaded) without being overclocked, and don't stand a chance against them without being overclocked. Tom's has an article about this.

A lot of people take away from that article that these older chips can still hang, but in all honesty, they just cannot. If you live near a Microcenter (which I don't, but I know of these things) a Core i3 3225 and H77 motherboard cost you $165 and it draws less power and usually wins in benchmarks even against overclocked versions of C2Q.

That is just my opinion, about not investing in old technology. I wish I would have gotten to this thread sooner so I could let you know about some of these things. I just wanted to let you know that you shouldn't dump anymore money into the older technology because newer, faster, more efficient chips can be had for not much more.


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May 18, 2013 3:03:24 PM

Well you can add Q6600 to the list. I installed it very easily. Only problem is I'm using a stock heatsink with no thermal paste... I have a new heatsink on the way. I'm idling around 55-58... before it was about 45.

Should I go buy arctic silver before it arives? the new heatsink comes with its own though.

also, I'm guessing I should skip playing anythign that might strain my cpu.. or you think it will be ok for 2-3 days?
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May 18, 2013 3:05:27 PM

Idle is acceptable but I would be very concerned about load temps without thermal paste.
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May 18, 2013 3:53:30 PM

smeezekitty said:
Idle is acceptable but I would be very concerned about load temps without thermal paste.


Ok I applied some arctic silver 5. and dont even tell me its the wrong one cause radio shack is not cheap! Time for the real test... max payne 3 time..
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May 18, 2013 4:21:53 PM

under heavy load I get 86C on one of the cores. I'm getting a new heat sink but its not great. Only slighly better than stock. Hope it will work out.
Also just remembered, I can overclock my gpu more now with a quad core right?
but max payne looked much much better so far. Definitely the upgrade I was looking for. Appreciate all the help a lot, especially clown.
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May 18, 2013 4:43:15 PM

Don't even think of overclocking those temps.
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May 18, 2013 7:02:44 PM

You should take off the heatsink you have and re-apply the AS5 using a plastic grocery bag. You can use the bag to cover one of your fingers to spread the AS5 evenly across the processor. Be very careful as you do not want to put too much AS5 on the processor. A dab will do ya.
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May 18, 2013 8:04:47 PM

ropeadopa said:
under heavy load I get 86C on one of the cores. I'm getting a new heat sink but its not great. Only slighly better than stock. Hope it will work out.
Also just remembered, I can overclock my gpu more now with a quad core right?
but max payne looked much much better so far. Definitely the upgrade I was looking for. Appreciate all the help a lot, especially clown.


I think your story is not over yet.

To everyone, this is Vostro 220



To ropeadopa: which CPU cooler you are getting, I have quite an experience in cooling 125 watt overclocked Phenom in similar case.
I have suggestions for (CPU cooler) about $31 from Amazon, which will cool Q6600 very easy!
I have quite educated guess that your CPU socket is LGA775 - most Dell model of that size are standardized to LGA775. And you have motherboard back plate glued to motherboard.

This is Vostro 220 motherboard



Note 4 holes for screws around CPU socket - LGA775 most likely.

So, if you need something to freeze your CPU, let me know.
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May 19, 2013 8:59:06 AM

yeaap thats my baby. Except with a massive power supply and a massive video card. I got this heatsink: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VSHT3C/ref=pe_175190_21431...

Cheap but got good reviews. If i'm investing in old tech I don't want to pay too much.. and this only has to last 2 years and i'm happy. So far: 63$ cpu, 14$ AS5 (poorly planned purchase), 10$ heatsink

Quad core was definitely good advice-I went from only being able to use directx9 on the lowest settings to being able to use dx11 on very high settings with a highly respectable frame rate. Quite impressive upgrade as far as im concerned. Thanks for the help everyone-wish I knew this sooner. Will update with new fan temps when I get it. I'm a little concerned about the heat.
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May 19, 2013 9:26:54 AM

However far you ship it, then get it shipped back.
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May 19, 2013 9:26:56 AM

However far you ship it, then get it shipped back.
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May 19, 2013 10:21:43 AM

ropeadopa said:
yeaap thats my baby. Except with a massive power supply and a massive video card. I got this heatsink: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VSHT3C/ref=pe_175190_21431...

Cheap but got good reviews. If i'm investing in old tech I don't want to pay too much.. and this only has to last 2 years and i'm happy. So far: 63$ cpu, 14$ AS5 (poorly planned purchase), 10$ heatsink

Quad core was definitely good advice-I went from only being able to use directx9 on the lowest settings to being able to use dx11 on very high settings with a highly respectable frame rate. Quite impressive upgrade as far as im concerned. Thanks for the help everyone-wish I knew this sooner. Will update with new fan temps when I get it. I'm a little concerned about the heat.


Your heatsink looks very weak, maybe good for around 90 watt TGP, Q6600:

Electrical / Thermal parameters
V core ? 0.85V - 1.5V
Maximum operating temperature ? 60.3°C
Maximum power dissipation ? 155.25 Watt
Thermal Design Power ? 105 Watt

Install OCCT http://www.ocbase.com/index.php/download and run 30 minutes test, if you survive under 58C you good for gaming. OCCT tests are running just above Crysis 1 (I compared before).
If you hit above 60C you are risking burning CPU and you need another one.

This is ultimate cooler for small Dells - Ice Edge 400 XT http://www.amazon.com/Logysis-Computer-Bearing-Cooler-M...



This one is capable to cool down Phenom II x4 965 BE which is 125 watt TGP! Tested.
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May 19, 2013 11:25:43 AM

I really don't know If I want to drop another 30 bucks. especially since I just bought this one. Also people mention in the reviews that it can cool a quad core extreme.

I think I should just go through my system, vaccum out all the dust... Also I didn't remove the old thermal paste so maybe that has something to do with it.
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May 19, 2013 11:44:58 AM

ropeadopa said:
I really don't know If I want to drop another 30 bucks. especially since I just bought this one. Also people mention in the reviews that it can cool a quad core extreme.

I think I should just go through my system, vaccum out all the dust... Also I didn't remove the old thermal paste so maybe that has something to do with it.


Quote:
Also I didn't remove the old thermal paste so maybe that has something to do with it


This is big NO-NO, both surfaces must be as clean as possible! The rest is up to you, remember 60C, if you go over it you are in deep sh*t.
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May 19, 2013 12:02:55 PM

You must clean the thermal paste. Use isopropyl alcohol (the higher % the better)

And thoroughly clean the CPU and heatsink. let it dry then reapply thermal paste.
I am using $2.99 cheap crap for new egg and it keeps my core 2 duo at around 35 idle and 48 full load.
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May 19, 2013 12:23:25 PM

Ok i'll remove the paste when I get out of work and clean out my case. Interested to see if it will make a difference.

Also, it seems most people are claiming 65C is perfectly safe for this cpu under full load. If I have to bite the bullet and get a new fan then fine-we'll see. In fact, I'm guessing my core2duo cpu got into the 70's often for 5 years of high use. I've always had stock systems that ran hot for over a decade without seeing a cpu burn out. Only burnout I got was a GTS 260 after 2 years of like 95 degree scorching-but ill try to be careful.
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May 19, 2013 12:25:22 PM

65c to hot but won't fry it. cooler is always better though.
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May 19, 2013 2:42:55 PM

Kisianik said:
smeezekitty said:
65c to hot but won't fry it. cooler is always better though.


Just facts http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_2/Intel-Core%202%20Q...


well, experience can trump facts. I know I've run cpu's at crazy heat successfully.. It may shorten their life but in practice they seem pretty hardy.

Still, I'm thinking of getting the heatsink... but I really dont want to spend another 30. I'll browse new egg for some.

I cleaned off all thermal paste and cleaned out my case and fan... Idle aveages around 40 degrees. Maxes out at 83 for core 1.. then 80,75,78. So not a lot of change except for idle temp. I may have not put on a lot of paste. used a finger to spread on all of chip, then used a towel and may have took too much back off.

looks like even the stock fan of a quad core vostro is more powerfun than the duo and quad core fans are pretty expensive but I guess I have no choice.
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May 19, 2013 3:03:06 PM

You can check thermal paste application methods herehttp://www.arcticsilver.com/#
However, you temps are too high, very high, $31 is not such a big deal, but you understand what might happened in the future, so no more persvasion on my end.
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May 19, 2013 3:20:15 PM

It looks like that fan is not an easy install and I'm working with a dell case so I dont know If i'll encounter problems. I'd prefer something I can screw in-with the least chance of having to return it.. any suggestions?
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May 19, 2013 3:58:56 PM

My option is actually easy installation - just screw in Dell motherboard, it is a bit more difficult than yours, but just a bit. If you are willing to read, you can check my guide for Inspiron 570 upgrading http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3... scroll down to coolers and you find IceEdge there with link to manual and I think manual as well. You don't have to use IceEdge backplate, it is the same as Dell's, just read it, you will see. You cannot find anything better than this. If you want to wait, I will check what Dell was installing on similar quads on different models, but I am sure if I can find this quickly.
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May 19, 2013 4:43:54 PM

Ughh I've watched some tutorials on installing that and I'm really not comfortable with it. Really on the fence about buying that one. You think I will figure it out once I mess around with it?
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May 19, 2013 8:26:25 PM

IceEdge manual.
First how to download pdf file.
Location of installation instructions is here, scroll mid way down and look for Installation link at the right hand side of the page,



After downloading check the file, it doesn't have an extension - ICEEDGE, you have to rename it to ICEEDGE.pdf to open it

This is picture of manual

Page 1



Page 2 Just remember, we need LGA775 socket installation.



It may sound complicated, but in reality it is not, I wish some one from community could take a look and say it.

Anyway, this is strongest solution possible, you may choose it and not worry about temps anymore, or you may hope that everything will be OK the way it is.

There is a way to find Dell solution to this problem, but it is lengthy search, since I don't know which XPS used this processor.
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May 20, 2013 12:01:57 AM

You need to re-apply the thermal paste, and this time DO IT RIGHT! Do not touch the paste with your finger. Use a plastic grocery bag to do it. The oils and dirt on your fingers are not going to cause you to be able to tell whether you are getting better temperatures.

Nobody can help you if you don't do things with some care or want to listen to advice. Everything that has been posted in this thread is advice to make sure you don't make your computer a paperweight. If you can live without your computer, or can afford to buy a new one, then by all means keep sabotaging yourself.

Sorry if that seems rude, but the possibility of you not having a computer in a couple weeks is a very real possibility if you don't start taking some of the advice given instead of saying you rather wouldn't.
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May 20, 2013 12:49:53 PM

jdowdy10 said:
You need to re-apply the thermal paste, and this time DO IT RIGHT! Do not touch the paste with your finger. Use a plastic grocery bag to do it. The oils and dirt on your fingers are not going to cause you to be able to tell whether you are getting better temperatures.

Nobody can help you if you don't do things with some care or want to listen to advice. Everything that has been posted in this thread is advice to make sure you don't make your computer a paperweight. If you can live without your computer, or can afford to buy a new one, then by all means keep sabotaging yourself.

Sorry if that seems rude, but the possibility of you not having a computer in a couple weeks is a very real possibility if you don't start taking some of the advice given instead of saying you rather wouldn't.



You're right, you are fucking rude. I did install the paste with a plastic bag between my finger and compound. but actually, that was wrong too, as the core2quad prefers the line method which i'll fix next time. and I just said It looks like I have no choice but to buy the heatsink. Thanks for all your contributions.
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May 20, 2013 12:54:22 PM

Kisianik said:
IceEdge manual.
First how to download pdf file.
Location of installation instructions is here, scroll mid way down and look for Installation link at the right hand side of the page,



After downloading check the file, it doesn't have an extension - ICEEDGE, you have to rename it to ICEEDGE.pdf to open it

This is picture of manual

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Page 2 Just remember, we need LGA775 socket installation.



It may sound complicated, but in reality it is not, I wish some one from community could take a look and say it.

Anyway, this is strongest solution possible, you may choose it and not worry about temps anymore, or you may hope that everything will be OK the way it is.

There is a way to find Dell solution to this problem, but it is lengthy search, since I don't know which XPS used this processor.


I'm gonna do a bit more research on installing this. As you know I'm a newb and won't have help once my comp is in pieces. Thanks for the help though, I think i'll probably buy it.. will report back.
Also for some reason my temps are hitting 70C max now. Much better than 86 but still not good. Idling at 38-44

edit: after lookin through that pdf I'm a little more confident and have purchased the cooler. 5-8 days. Thanks for your patience.
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May 20, 2013 3:28:58 PM

ropeadopa said:
jdowdy10 said:
You need to re-apply the thermal paste, and this time DO IT RIGHT! Do not touch the paste with your finger. Use a plastic grocery bag to do it. The oils and dirt on your fingers are not going to cause you to be able to tell whether you are getting better temperatures.

Nobody can help you if you don't do things with some care or want to listen to advice. Everything that has been posted in this thread is advice to make sure you don't make your computer a paperweight. If you can live without your computer, or can afford to buy a new one, then by all means keep sabotaging yourself.

Sorry if that seems rude, but the possibility of you not having a computer in a couple weeks is a very real possibility if you don't start taking some of the advice given instead of saying you rather wouldn't.



You're right, you are fucking rude. I did install the paste with a plastic bag between my finger and compound. but actually, that was wrong too, as the core2quad prefers the line method which i'll fix next time. and I just said It looks like I have no choice but to buy the heatsink. Thanks for all your contributions.


Well, I'll live with that. At least you know the consequences as heat is the ultimate enemy of any computer. There is a reason why people spend hundreds of dollars setting up water cooling.

I don' t feel bad how I've approached this as if you read this thread as I have, you have sounded clueless, but maybe you were being unintentionally vague. Your post make it seem as if you are doing things because you have to do them, not because you want to, and that you care very little whether it is done correctly. I felt someone should alert you to the consequences of that mindset even if you received the results you desired.

Also, "the line method" as you call it, will achieve the same results sometimes, except you will be depending on the heatsink to spread the paste for you. I prefer to verify that the paste is spread properly rather than hope the heatsink does it.
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May 20, 2013 4:32:04 PM

Well you interpreted wrong and if you actually read the thread I'm taking all the advice seriously. I am trying to do it the right way but the whole point is trying to upgrade an old machine at minimum cost. Please dont post in here any more.
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May 22, 2013 12:56:06 PM

Glad to hear the CPU upgrade worked out well for you, i had a pretty solid feeling that that old dual core was bottlenecking your system, and i'm glad that cpu was compatible. Good luck with your system in the future
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May 22, 2013 8:50:10 PM

psychoclown81 said:
Glad to hear the CPU upgrade worked out well for you, i had a pretty solid feeling that that old dual core was bottlenecking your system, and i'm glad that cpu was compatible. Good luck with your system in the future


Yeah man thanks a lot for the tips. When you said theoretical performance points went up by that much I was sold. I mean if you can't trust a stranger on the internet who can you trust?

That random fan I ordered for 10$ on ebay: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VSHT3C/ref=pe_175190_21431...

Well it got here before the 30$ one so I decided to install it out of curiosity. I now get a max temp of 58 degrees on one of the cores (rest around 55C)and idle at 33 degrees! Looks like I'm set and can sell the ice edge once it arrives. No worries about the extra purchase, sincerely appreciated all help you guys are truly awesome to take your time out like that!!! I learned a ton. Shame I can't overclock but thats fine, Upgrade exceeded my expectations. Also I understand it takes 250 hours to break in thermal paste so my temps will go even lower by 1-5C I hear. Good deal!
My already overclocked gtx 460 768 did not gain any capacity to go further but doesn't matter.
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May 22, 2013 9:43:42 PM

So what did you do to bring temperatures down? Reapplied thermal paste? Have you used instructions of Arctic?

If you want google "Q6600 tape mod" and see how you can do mechanical overclock - you can increase speed to up to 3.4 GHz

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