$2500 Build Feedback

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XfK2

My build so far above

Is it a good mobo and cpu?

Also is the gpu suffice for 3d on three 1080p montiors?

Can you recommend 3 24" 1080p monitors with built in speakers that are good?

Also a good mx cherry red keyboard and a awesome mouse?

Can go max to 3K should I xfire the 7970 ghz?


Edit: Scrap the 3d idea now only 3 1080p monitors
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  1. Wait for Haswell. Also, go with monitors without speakers and pick up standalone speakers.
  2. Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XfK2

    My build so far above

    Is it a good mobo and cpu?

    Also is the gpu suffice for 3d on three 1080p montiors?

    Can you recommend 3 24" 1080p monitors with built in speakers that are good?

    Also a good mx cherry red keyboard and a awesome mouse?

    Can go max to 3K should I xfire the 7970 ghz?


    What is the intended use of this build? If it's gaming, your CPU and RAM are both overkill. An i5-3570k does just as well in non-hyperthreaded games (i.e. 99% of them), and 8GB is all you need for current games. You should also switch out your PSU to a SeaSonic. Cooler Master has a very poor reputation when it comes to PSUs.

    To answer your question, no, a single Ghz. Edition will not handle 3d on a triple-monitor setup. I'm not even sure that two would. 3d requires a hell of a lot of graphical power for just one monitor, much less a 5760x1080 setup.

    Edit: Having checked a few benchmarks, CrossFire 7970 Ghz. Editions would not handle tri-monitor 3d.
  3. If it's just a gaming build, you don't even need a 3770k, go with a 3570k and spend the money else wear. You should definitely CF 7970s, you can keep cross firing them, and they will keep outperforming newer cards that are released.
  4. You really don't need to spend that much money for a nice gaming rig. sound cards aren't necessary (onboards are high quality), the noctua isn't a good use of money, a full tower case is not necessary, 1200w isn't necessary, and an i7 isn't worth buying unless you're getting paid to do hardcore rendering/etc.
    Decent build:
    http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=22374985
    Excessive, overkill build:
    http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=22375705
  5. sleekz said:
    You really don't need to spend that much money for a nice gaming rig. sound cards aren't necessary (onboards are high quality), the noctua isn't a good use of money, a full tower case is not necessary, 1200w isn't necessary, and an i7 isn't worth buying unless you're getting paid to do hardcore rendering/etc.
    Decent build:
    http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=22374985
    Excessive, overkill build:
    http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=22375705



    The Noctua is necessary if he plans to overclock further than the 212 Evo can effectively cool, and is an excellent air cooler. There are many merits to a full tower, including more space for expansion, room for larger coolers and graphics cards, and often better cooling. Your builds are unnecessary stripped down for this price range.

    Edit: I completely agree about the i7 and the PSU, however.
  6. Two big reasons to go nVidia in your situation: One, Crossfire is still broken. Two, for 3d you want Lightboost.

    FYI, 3d requires your GPU to maintain 120fps (60 per eye), so to achieve that on 3 monitors will require serious hardware, at least 2x670s. You'll also be running into vram limits at that resolution, so you'd want the 4gb versions. Even then you'll be lowering settings to keep your fps high enough.
  7. helz IT said:
    Two big reasons to go nVidia in your situation: One, Crossfire is still broken. Two, for 3d you want Lightboost.

    FYI, 3d requires your GPU to maintain 120fps (60 per eye), so to achieve that on 3 monitors will require serious hardware, at least 2x670s. You'll also be running into vram limits at that resolution, so you'd want the 4gb versions. Even then you'll be lowering settings to keep your fps high enough.


    Honestly, I think that the only way you could do three-monitor 3d would be dual Titans. I hate saying that, because I rather loathe the Titan, but I can't think of anything else that has that much raw power.
  8. Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XfK2

    My build so far above

    Is it a good mobo and cpu?

    Also is the gpu suffice for 3d on three 1080p montiors?

    Can you recommend 3 24" 1080p monitors with built in speakers that are good?

    Also a good mx cherry red keyboard and a awesome mouse?

    Can go max to 3K should I xfire the 7970 ghz?


    What is the intended use of this build? If it's gaming, your CPU and RAM are both overkill. An i5-3570k does just as well in non-hyperthreaded games (i.e. 99% of them), and 8GB is all you need for current games. You should also switch out your PSU to a SeaSonic. Cooler Master has a very poor reputation when it comes to PSUs.

    To answer your question, no, a single Ghz. Edition will not handle 3d on a triple-monitor setup. I'm not even sure that two would. 3d requires a hell of a lot of graphical power for just one monitor, much less a 5760x1080 setup.

    Edit: Having checked a few benchmarks, CrossFire 7970 Ghz. Editions would not handle tri-monitor 3d.


    The use is for gaming

    - I will change the cpu to i5-3570k

    - Lower the psu to a 1050 Corsair

    - Need a good (4x2) ram to take advantage of the mobo's slots

    Anything else?
  9. Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XfK2

    My build so far above

    Is it a good mobo and cpu?

    Also is the gpu suffice for 3d on three 1080p montiors?

    Can you recommend 3 24" 1080p monitors with built in speakers that are good?

    Also a good mx cherry red keyboard and a awesome mouse?

    Can go max to 3K should I xfire the 7970 ghz?


    What is the intended use of this build? If it's gaming, your CPU and RAM are both overkill. An i5-3570k does just as well in non-hyperthreaded games (i.e. 99% of them), and 8GB is all you need for current games. You should also switch out your PSU to a SeaSonic. Cooler Master has a very poor reputation when it comes to PSUs.

    To answer your question, no, a single Ghz. Edition will not handle 3d on a triple-monitor setup. I'm not even sure that two would. 3d requires a hell of a lot of graphical power for just one monitor, much less a 5760x1080 setup.

    Edit: Having checked a few benchmarks, CrossFire 7970 Ghz. Editions would not handle tri-monitor 3d.


    The use is for gaming

    - I will change the cpu to i5-3570k

    - Lower the psu to a 1050 Corsair

    - Need a good (4x2) ram to take advantage of the mobo's slots

    Anything else?



    I would recommend SeaSonic, myself, but Corsair is a fine choice.

    Corsair RAM would also be good.

    Do you still intend to try three-monitor 3d? As you see in the discussion, we're not sure that's possible on your budget.
  10. helz IT said:
    Two big reasons to go nVidia in your situation: One, Crossfire is still broken. Two, for 3d you want Lightboost.

    FYI, 3d requires your GPU to maintain 120fps (60 per eye), so to achieve that on 3 monitors will require serious hardware, at least 2x670s. You'll also be running into vram limits at that resolution, so you'd want the 4gb versions. Even then you'll be lowering settings to keep your fps high enough.



    Crossfire is still broken??
  11. Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XfK2

    My build so far above

    Is it a good mobo and cpu?

    Also is the gpu suffice for 3d on three 1080p montiors?

    Can you recommend 3 24" 1080p monitors with built in speakers that are good?

    Also a good mx cherry red keyboard and a awesome mouse?

    Can go max to 3K should I xfire the 7970 ghz?


    What is the intended use of this build? If it's gaming, your CPU and RAM are both overkill. An i5-3570k does just as well in non-hyperthreaded games (i.e. 99% of them), and 8GB is all you need for current games. You should also switch out your PSU to a SeaSonic. Cooler Master has a very poor reputation when it comes to PSUs.

    To answer your question, no, a single Ghz. Edition will not handle 3d on a triple-monitor setup. I'm not even sure that two would. 3d requires a hell of a lot of graphical power for just one monitor, much less a 5760x1080 setup.

    Edit: Having checked a few benchmarks, CrossFire 7970 Ghz. Editions would not handle tri-monitor 3d.


    The use is for gaming

    - I will change the cpu to i5-3570k

    - Lower the psu to a 1050 Corsair

    - Need a good (4x2) ram to take advantage of the mobo's slots

    Anything else?



    I would recommend SeaSonic, myself, but Corsair is a fine choice.

    Corsair RAM would also be good.

    Do you still intend to try three-monitor 3d? As you see in the discussion, we're not sure that's possible on your budget.



    No sticking to one 1080p monitor

    Can we start from the beginning with the best $3000 gaming pc build?
  12. Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XfK2

    My build so far above

    Is it a good mobo and cpu?

    Also is the gpu suffice for 3d on three 1080p montiors?

    Can you recommend 3 24" 1080p monitors with built in speakers that are good?

    Also a good mx cherry red keyboard and a awesome mouse?

    Can go max to 3K should I xfire the 7970 ghz?


    What is the intended use of this build? If it's gaming, your CPU and RAM are both overkill. An i5-3570k does just as well in non-hyperthreaded games (i.e. 99% of them), and 8GB is all you need for current games. You should also switch out your PSU to a SeaSonic. Cooler Master has a very poor reputation when it comes to PSUs.

    To answer your question, no, a single Ghz. Edition will not handle 3d on a triple-monitor setup. I'm not even sure that two would. 3d requires a hell of a lot of graphical power for just one monitor, much less a 5760x1080 setup.

    Edit: Having checked a few benchmarks, CrossFire 7970 Ghz. Editions would not handle tri-monitor 3d.


    The use is for gaming

    - I will change the cpu to i5-3570k

    - Lower the psu to a 1050 Corsair

    - Need a good (4x2) ram to take advantage of the mobo's slots

    Anything else?



    I would recommend SeaSonic, myself, but Corsair is a fine choice.

    Corsair RAM would also be good.

    Do you still intend to try three-monitor 3d? As you see in the discussion, we're not sure that's possible on your budget.



    No sticking to one 1080p monitor

    Can we start from the beginning with the best $3000 gaming pc build?




    Most certainly. Would that be including the cost of monitors, or not? Also, do you prefer air or liquid cooling?
  13. Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    helz IT said:
    Two big reasons to go nVidia in your situation: One, Crossfire is still broken. Two, for 3d you want Lightboost.

    FYI, 3d requires your GPU to maintain 120fps (60 per eye), so to achieve that on 3 monitors will require serious hardware, at least 2x670s. You'll also be running into vram limits at that resolution, so you'd want the 4gb versions. Even then you'll be lowering settings to keep your fps high enough.



    Crossfire is still broken??



    Sadly, yes. There's hope that AMD will be fixing it sometime around Q3, but we're not sure.
  14. Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XfK2

    My build so far above

    Is it a good mobo and cpu?

    Also is the gpu suffice for 3d on three 1080p montiors?

    Can you recommend 3 24" 1080p monitors with built in speakers that are good?

    Also a good mx cherry red keyboard and a awesome mouse?

    Can go max to 3K should I xfire the 7970 ghz?


    What is the intended use of this build? If it's gaming, your CPU and RAM are both overkill. An i5-3570k does just as well in non-hyperthreaded games (i.e. 99% of them), and 8GB is all you need for current games. You should also switch out your PSU to a SeaSonic. Cooler Master has a very poor reputation when it comes to PSUs.

    To answer your question, no, a single Ghz. Edition will not handle 3d on a triple-monitor setup. I'm not even sure that two would. 3d requires a hell of a lot of graphical power for just one monitor, much less a 5760x1080 setup.

    Edit: Having checked a few benchmarks, CrossFire 7970 Ghz. Editions would not handle tri-monitor 3d.


    The use is for gaming

    - I will change the cpu to i5-3570k

    - Lower the psu to a 1050 Corsair

    - Need a good (4x2) ram to take advantage of the mobo's slots

    Anything else?



    I would recommend SeaSonic, myself, but Corsair is a fine choice.

    Corsair RAM would also be good.

    Do you still intend to try three-monitor 3d? As you see in the discussion, we're not sure that's possible on your budget.



    No sticking to one 1080p monitor

    Can we start from the beginning with the best $3000 gaming pc build?




    Most certainly. Would that be including the cost of monitors, or not? Also, do you prefer air or liquid cooling?



    Including cost of montiors and the cooling doesn't matter idk isn't liquid cooling better but harder to install?

    Just want to say Thanks in advance You are the only guy who actually helps
  15. Dylan Patel-1309083 said:

    Including cost of montiors and the cooling doesn't matter idk isn't liquid cooling better but harder to install?

    Just want to say Thanks in advance You are the only guy who actually helps


    You are roughly 2 weeks away from Haswell release. I would suggest waiting if you can.
  16. Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:

    Most certainly. Would that be including the cost of monitors, or not? Also, do you prefer air or liquid cooling?



    Including cost of montiors and the cooling doesn't matter idk isn't liquid cooling better but harder to install?

    Just want to say Thanks in advance You are the only guy who actually helps


    Liquid cooling with a closed loop cooler is... I would say tied, at the higest end. There are some cases which make air cooling very competitive, and some liquid coolers which are very good. It comes down to preference, I think, though I tend to consider that air will be slightly hotter but also quieter, while liquid will be the opposite.

    I think it's a bit harsh on the other folks here to say that I'm the only one who helps. I've just been keeping a closer eye on the thread than most of them have.

    Once you make the call on air vs. liquid, I'll start whipping up a build. Or, if you prefer, I could make two, one with liquid, one with air.
  17. slomo4sho said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:

    Including cost of montiors and the cooling doesn't matter idk isn't liquid cooling better but harder to install?

    Just want to say Thanks in advance You are the only guy who actually helps


    You are roughly 2 weeks away from Haswell release. I would suggest waiting if you can.


    +1 to this. You should likely swap out the CPU I suggest for the Haswell equivalent. That said, that's a fairly minor change, and the over price of the build won't be meaningfully altered.

    Edit: The mobo as well, of course.
  18. Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:

    Most certainly. Would that be including the cost of monitors, or not? Also, do you prefer air or liquid cooling?



    Including cost of montiors and the cooling doesn't matter idk isn't liquid cooling better but harder to install?

    Just want to say Thanks in advance You are the only guy who actually helps


    Liquid cooling with a closed loop cooler is... I would say tied, at the higest end. There are some cases which make air cooling very competitive, and some liquid coolers which are very good. It comes down to preference, I think, though I tend to consider that air will be slightly hotter but also quieter, while liquid will be the opposite.

    I think it's a bit harsh on the other folks here to say that I'm the only one who helps. I've just been keeping a closer eye on the thread than most of them have.

    Once you make the call on air vs. liquid, I'll start whipping up a build. Or, if you prefer, I could make two, one with liquid, one with air.


    Could you please whip up two (one for air and one for liquid)

    Also i prefer a 1080p monitor and a 1tb drive and a 256 ssd or are two 128 ssd raid better and cheaper?

    And preferably a (2x4) ram


    Edit: Budget is max $3k
  19. Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:

    Most certainly. Would that be including the cost of monitors, or not? Also, do you prefer air or liquid cooling?



    Including cost of montiors and the cooling doesn't matter idk isn't liquid cooling better but harder to install?

    Just want to say Thanks in advance You are the only guy who actually helps


    Liquid cooling with a closed loop cooler is... I would say tied, at the higest end. There are some cases which make air cooling very competitive, and some liquid coolers which are very good. It comes down to preference, I think, though I tend to consider that air will be slightly hotter but also quieter, while liquid will be the opposite.

    I think it's a bit harsh on the other folks here to say that I'm the only one who helps. I've just been keeping a closer eye on the thread than most of them have.

    Once you make the call on air vs. liquid, I'll start whipping up a build. Or, if you prefer, I could make two, one with liquid, one with air.


    Could you please whip up two (one for air and one for liquid)

    Also i prefer a 1080p monitor and a 1tb drive and a 256 ssd or are two 128 ssd raid better and cheaper?

    And preferably a (2x4) ram



    Certainly. Two builds, coming up. It may take me a few minutes.

    According to the recent article, two in Raid 0 look better on benchmarks, but perform worse in real world applications.
  20. Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:

    Most certainly. Would that be including the cost of monitors, or not? Also, do you prefer air or liquid cooling?



    Including cost of montiors and the cooling doesn't matter idk isn't liquid cooling better but harder to install?

    Just want to say Thanks in advance You are the only guy who actually helps


    Liquid cooling with a closed loop cooler is... I would say tied, at the higest end. There are some cases which make air cooling very competitive, and some liquid coolers which are very good. It comes down to preference, I think, though I tend to consider that air will be slightly hotter but also quieter, while liquid will be the opposite.

    I think it's a bit harsh on the other folks here to say that I'm the only one who helps. I've just been keeping a closer eye on the thread than most of them have.

    Once you make the call on air vs. liquid, I'll start whipping up a build. Or, if you prefer, I could make two, one with liquid, one with air.


    Could you please whip up two (one for air and one for liquid)

    Also i prefer a 1080p monitor and a 1tb drive and a 256 ssd or are two 128 ssd raid better and cheaper?

    And preferably a (2x4) ram



    Certainly. Two builds, coming up. It may take me a few minutes.

    According to the recent article, two in Raid 0 look better on benchmarks, but perform worse in real world applications.


    Then you can cross out raid

    Thanks
  21. a $400 graphics card can run 3 monitors fine. With the thermal curve newer processors have, you can max out performance on a $30 air cooler, and spending money on a custom loop/closed loop/expensive air cooler won't get you much further. The money is better spent elsewhere.

    3 monitors are now possible due to the release of the GTX Titan a month ago, guyz. Before that, nobody had even considered a 3-monitor setup. You won't find any 3 monitor setups without Titans. 3-monitor builds haven't been used in the past couple of years, because you need 2 GTX Titans for that. Buy 2 of them; SLI is pretty cost effective. $1400 on 2 SLI Titans is a good use of money.

    Sounds like solid reasoning.

    I wipe my hands clean of this. It's not my money. I'm disgusted that this comes off as good advice.

    Jack:No.
  22. Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:

    Most certainly. Would that be including the cost of monitors, or not? Also, do you prefer air or liquid cooling?



    Including cost of montiors and the cooling doesn't matter idk isn't liquid cooling better but harder to install?

    Just want to say Thanks in advance You are the only guy who actually helps


    Liquid cooling with a closed loop cooler is... I would say tied, at the higest end. There are some cases which make air cooling very competitive, and some liquid coolers which are very good. It comes down to preference, I think, though I tend to consider that air will be slightly hotter but also quieter, while liquid will be the opposite.

    I think it's a bit harsh on the other folks here to say that I'm the only one who helps. I've just been keeping a closer eye on the thread than most of them have.

    Once you make the call on air vs. liquid, I'll start whipping up a build. Or, if you prefer, I could make two, one with liquid, one with air.


    Could you please whip up two (one for air and one for liquid)

    Also i prefer a 1080p monitor and a 1tb drive and a 256 ssd or are two 128 ssd raid better and cheaper?

    And preferably a (2x4) ram



    Certainly. Two builds, coming up. It may take me a few minutes.

    According to the recent article, two in Raid 0 look better on benchmarks, but perform worse in real world applications.


    Then you can cross out raid

    Thanks



    Liquid cooled:

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
    CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X60 98.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($117.99 @ Newegg)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($154.99 @ Newegg)
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.16 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($214.99 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.19 @ Outlet PC)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($433.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($433.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Case: NZXT Phantom 820 (White) ATX Full Tower Case ($199.75 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 1050W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($216.82 @ Newegg)
    Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
    Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($266.99 @ Amazon)
    Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K90 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
    Mouse: Logitech G9x Wired Laser Mouse ($55.25 @ Newegg)
    Total: $2673.97
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-14 16:46 EDT-0400)

    I'm afraid that it came out a bit under price. Sorry about that. :p

    Air cooled:

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
    CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Newegg)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($154.99 @ Newegg)
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.16 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($214.99 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.19 @ Outlet PC)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($433.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($433.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Case: Silverstone SST-FT02B-W-USB3.0 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($266.98 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 1050W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($216.82 @ Newegg)
    Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
    Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($266.99 @ Amazon)
    Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K90 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
    Mouse: Logitech G9x Wired Laser Mouse ($55.25 @ Newegg)
    Total: $2693.20
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-14 16:49 EDT-0400)

    If you have any questions about either or both, feel free to ask. Also, if you're worried about CrossFire, you could use a single Titan, although it would be less efficient.

    Edit: I'm going to be away for a while, so responses will be somewhat delayed. My apologies.
    Edit 2: Belay that. I'm still here.
  23. Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:

    Most certainly. Would that be including the cost of monitors, or not? Also, do you prefer air or liquid cooling?



    Including cost of montiors and the cooling doesn't matter idk isn't liquid cooling better but harder to install?

    Just want to say Thanks in advance You are the only guy who actually helps


    Liquid cooling with a closed loop cooler is... I would say tied, at the higest end. There are some cases which make air cooling very competitive, and some liquid coolers which are very good. It comes down to preference, I think, though I tend to consider that air will be slightly hotter but also quieter, while liquid will be the opposite.

    I think it's a bit harsh on the other folks here to say that I'm the only one who helps. I've just been keeping a closer eye on the thread than most of them have.

    Once you make the call on air vs. liquid, I'll start whipping up a build. Or, if you prefer, I could make two, one with liquid, one with air.


    Could you please whip up two (one for air and one for liquid)

    Also i prefer a 1080p monitor and a 1tb drive and a 256 ssd or are two 128 ssd raid better and cheaper?

    And preferably a (2x4) ram



    Certainly. Two builds, coming up. It may take me a few minutes.

    According to the recent article, two in Raid 0 look better on benchmarks, but perform worse in real world applications.


    Then you can cross out raid

    Thanks



    Liquid cooled:

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
    CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X60 98.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($117.99 @ Newegg)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($154.99 @ Newegg)
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.16 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($214.99 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.19 @ Outlet PC)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($433.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($433.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Case: NZXT Phantom 820 (White) ATX Full Tower Case ($199.75 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 1050W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($216.82 @ Newegg)
    Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
    Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($266.99 @ Amazon)
    Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K90 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
    Mouse: Logitech G9x Wired Laser Mouse ($55.25 @ Newegg)
    Total: $2673.97
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-14 16:46 EDT-0400)

    I'm afraid that it came out a bit under price. Sorry about that. :p

    Air cooled:

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
    CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Newegg)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($154.99 @ Newegg)
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.16 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($214.99 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.19 @ Outlet PC)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($433.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($433.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Case: Silverstone SST-FT02B-W-USB3.0 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($266.98 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 1050W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($216.82 @ Newegg)
    Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
    Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($266.99 @ Amazon)
    Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K90 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
    Mouse: Logitech G9x Wired Laser Mouse ($55.25 @ Newegg)
    Total: $2693.20
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-14 16:49 EDT-0400)

    If you have any questions about either or both, feel free to ask. Also, if you're worried about CrossFire, you could use a single Titan, although it would be less efficient.

    Edit: I'm going to be away for a while, so responses will be somewhat delayed. My apologies.


    Thanks for the builds

    Anyway, what would you rate this build (1-10) 10 being godly 1 being in the toilet

    And also does the case have front panel usb ports?
  24. sleekz said:
    a $400 graphics card can run 3 monitors fine. With the thermal curve newer processors have, you can max out performance on a $30 air cooler, and spending money on a custom loop/closed loop/expensive air cooler won't get you much further. The money is better spent elsewhere.

    3 monitors are now possible due to the release of the GTX Titan a month ago, guyz. Before that, nobody had even considered a 3-monitor setup. You won't find any 3 monitor setups without Titans. 3-monitor builds haven't been used in the past couple of years, because you need 2 GTX Titans for that. Buy 2 of them; SLI is pretty cost effective. $1400 on 2 SLI Titans is a good use of money.

    Sounds like solid reasoning.

    I wipe my hands clean of this. It's not my money. I'm disgusted that this comes off as good advice.

    Jack:No.


    Did you, by any chance miss the 3d part? You need to run games at, fuctionally, 120 FPS to do 3d. You want to show me a $400 card which can do that on three monitors?
  25. Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:
    Dylan Patel-1309083 said:
    Jack Revenant said:

    Most certainly. Would that be including the cost of monitors, or not? Also, do you prefer air or liquid cooling?



    Including cost of montiors and the cooling doesn't matter idk isn't liquid cooling better but harder to install?

    Just want to say Thanks in advance You are the only guy who actually helps


    Liquid cooling with a closed loop cooler is... I would say tied, at the higest end. There are some cases which make air cooling very competitive, and some liquid coolers which are very good. It comes down to preference, I think, though I tend to consider that air will be slightly hotter but also quieter, while liquid will be the opposite.

    I think it's a bit harsh on the other folks here to say that I'm the only one who helps. I've just been keeping a closer eye on the thread than most of them have.

    Once you make the call on air vs. liquid, I'll start whipping up a build. Or, if you prefer, I could make two, one with liquid, one with air.


    Could you please whip up two (one for air and one for liquid)

    Also i prefer a 1080p monitor and a 1tb drive and a 256 ssd or are two 128 ssd raid better and cheaper?

    And preferably a (2x4) ram



    Certainly. Two builds, coming up. It may take me a few minutes.

    According to the recent article, two in Raid 0 look better on benchmarks, but perform worse in real world applications.


    Then you can cross out raid

    Thanks



    Liquid cooled:

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
    CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X60 98.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($117.99 @ Newegg)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($154.99 @ Newegg)
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.16 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($214.99 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.19 @ Outlet PC)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($433.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($433.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Case: NZXT Phantom 820 (White) ATX Full Tower Case ($199.75 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 1050W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($216.82 @ Newegg)
    Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
    Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($266.99 @ Amazon)
    Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K90 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
    Mouse: Logitech G9x Wired Laser Mouse ($55.25 @ Newegg)
    Total: $2673.97
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-14 16:46 EDT-0400)

    I'm afraid that it came out a bit under price. Sorry about that. :p

    Air cooled:

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
    CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Newegg)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($154.99 @ Newegg)
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.16 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($214.99 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.19 @ Outlet PC)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($433.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($433.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Case: Silverstone SST-FT02B-W-USB3.0 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($266.98 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 1050W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($216.82 @ Newegg)
    Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.96 @ Outlet PC)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
    Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($266.99 @ Amazon)
    Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K90 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
    Mouse: Logitech G9x Wired Laser Mouse ($55.25 @ Newegg)
    Total: $2693.20
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-14 16:49 EDT-0400)

    If you have any questions about either or both, feel free to ask. Also, if you're worried about CrossFire, you could use a single Titan, although it would be less efficient.

    Edit: I'm going to be away for a while, so responses will be somewhat delayed. My apologies.


    Thanks for the builds

    Anyway, what would you rate this build (1-10) 10 being godly 1 being in the toilet

    And also does the case have front panel usb ports?



    Not sure how I'd rate them. 7, I suppose, for "upper limit of anything resembling price efficiency".

    Don't recall off the top of my head about the USB ports. Should be on the Newegg page.

    Edit: Looks like they both have front USB ports.
  26. I don't feel like having a pissing contest about whether you need to spend $2500 on a gaming PC. Stop screwing with him.
  27. sleekz said:
    I don't feel like having a pissing contest about whether you need to spend $2500 on a gaming PC. Stop screwing with him.


    I don't feel like ignoring his planned use. Running even a single 1080p 3d monitor requires serious graphical hardware. If anything, dual-7970 may have trouble hitting 120 FPS in some games.
  28. Yes, multiple graphics cards are not effective...
  29. sleekz said:
    Yes, multiple graphics cards are not effective...


    Thus my comment regarding the Titan, which I did note was less efficient. You can't ignore what he plans to use the machine for any more than you can ignore monitor resolution when you recommend a build. 3d gaming is hard to manage, and requires expensive hardware.
  30. A nice $1500 build is probably more powerful than he needs. You should rethink asking people to spend $3000 on A) bullshit and B) modest needs that don't cry for massive spending. Did he say, he knows what he can do with $1500 and it's not meeting his desires? People all over fall for the same overpriced junk and encourage the general feeling that $3000 is a reasonable cost for a gaming PC.
  31. sleekz said:
    A nice $1500 build is probably more powerful than he needs. You should rethink asking people to spend $3000 on A) bullshit and B) modest needs that don't cry for massive spending. Did he say, he knows what he can do with $1500 and it's not meeting his desires? People all over fall for the same overpriced junk and encourage the general feeling that $3000 is a reasonable cost for a gaming PC.


    If you can produce a $1,500 gaming build that can handle 3d, I'd happily take a look at it. We can't tell him "3d gaming is stupid and inefficient, don't do it.", because that's a matter of preference. If he has the money and wishes to make a system capable of playing games in 3d, it's our responsibility to help him do so in the most efficient way possible.
  32. Does he need to spend $2,500 to create a great gaming build? Of course not. I spent $1,000 on mine after rebates, and I'm happy with it.

    Would he need to spend $2,500+ in order to game in 3d on 3 monitors? Yes. Which was originally what the OP wanted to do. I suggested dual-670s at the minimum, but really he'd want a 690 or dual Titans to do that properly. Horribly overpriced? Yeah, but sometimes you have to pay ridiculous prices to achieve ridiculous goals.
  33. helz IT said:
    Does he need to spend $2,500 to create a great gaming build? Of course not. I spent $1,000 on mine after rebates, and I'm happy with it.

    Would he need to spend $2,500+ in order to game in 3d on 3 monitors? Yes. Which was originally what the OP wanted to do. I suggested dual-670s at the minimum, but really he'd want a 690 or dual Titans to do that properly. Horribly overpriced? Yeah, but sometimes you have to pay ridiculous prices to achieve ridiculous goals.


    Thank you, helz. That was exactly what I was trying to convey. :)
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