G. Skill Ripjaws X DDR3-1866, running at 1333Mhz?

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I recently purchased two, 4GB sticks of G. Skill Ripjaws X Series DDR3-1866 memory for an upgrade on my system. After installing the Dimms, BIOS picked them up at 1333Mhz, as does CPU-Z when booted to Windows. My Motherboard says it supports DDR3-1066,1333,(supported by CPU model)1600(O.C),1866(O.C) I assume the "O.C" stands for overclocked, so is there any way to overclock and achieve a speed of at least 1600Mhz, if not 1866? Or is my CPU bottlenecking me down to 1333Mhz? My CPU is an AMD Athlon II X4 645, with no L3 cache, I've listed my PC specs below as well. Any help would be appreciated, thank you!

CPU - AMD Athlon II X4 645 3.1 Ghz Quad Core, 2Mb L2 Cache
Memory - 8GB G. Skill Ripjaws Series DDR3-1600, 9-9-9-24 (HS)(2x4GB)
Motherboard - Biostar A880Z Deluxe, Sata 6GB/s, USB 3.0, Pcie 3.0 X32, 7 Channel Audio
GPU - MSI Radeon HD7770 Ghz Edition 1GB, 128 bit, Dual Fan, Copper Pipe Bypass Cooling, 640 cores, 2XDVI/2X Mini/HDMI/ PCIE 3.0
Hard Drive -
System - 320GB Western Digital, SATA II, 16mb Cache
Media Storage - 1TB Hitachi External, USB 2.0, 16mb Cache

Case - In-Win Plastic and Titanium, 6x 120mm fans, bottom mount PSU (white with red fans)
PSU - Coolmax 580w SLI Certified, 140mm intake fan, Dual 12v rails.
O.S - Windows 7 Home Premium X64
 
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AstoSoup,

With that CPU and hardware combo, DDR3-1600 may be too stressful for the CPU memory controller. It can have a reverse effect, so to keep the load level low while still performing better than your original standard RAM, try lower timings to 8-8-8-24. DDR3-1333 8-8-8-24 1.50V will probably be the best performing settings for that CPU, memory, and motherboard. You can use a higher voltage and try to lower timings even more, but you will need to test to see what the memory kit you received is capable of. Once you find the lowest timings for DDR3-1333, you will notice a significant performance advantage over the original RAM.

Thank you
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The default setting for DDR3 is 1333 MHz. This means that unless you manually select a different frequency, you'll always run at 1333 MHz. You are correct in your assessment that "O.C." stands for "overclocked", which does mean that you have to overclock your RAM to attain the desired frequency above the 1333 MHz rating. I believe the A2X4 645 can support the 1600, but honestly, the difference is negligible at best. That is, unless you're comparing benchmark results, you won't notice the difference between the frequencies.
 

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So other than the capacity change (4gb-8gb), does this ram serve any benefit over the Super Talent DDR3-1333 value ram I took out? The Windows Experience Index rated the cheap ram at 7.3, it also rates the Ripjaws at 7.3. I was very dissapointed to see that the number didnt go up lol. Also, how would I go about overclocking this RAM to 1600Mhz?
 
Perhaps. Other points to consider when evaluating RAM are the latency, or timing and voltage.

The latency is shown as X-X-X-X. The gist of these numbers is that they indicate the amount of clock cycles data transfers at. As you might of guessed, lower latency is better. The voltage specification is the recommended amount of voltage to operate the RAM at optimal settings. In this case, lower is also better. Now, let's put this into perspective.

Let's say your G.Skills have the following specs: 9-9-9-27 1.6V @ 1866 and your value RAM has these specs: 8-7-7-24 1.7V @ 1333. This means that the manufacturers have done enough tests to identify that their respective RAM operates best at the specified settings. You can go higher, but you'll risk stability. If you go lower, then you'll sacrifice performance (or so the manufacturer claims). If you compare the G.Skills to your value RAM, you'll see that the G.Skill has tighter timings, albeit at the cost of more clock cycles. Still, these timings are better because there is more stability than the value RAM.

If the timing wasn't reason enough to make the switch, then consider the energy cost. We're not talking dollars and cents here, rather the cost is the overall performance. As you can tell, higher voltage demands mean more energy is used, and with that extra energy comes extra heat.

WEI isn't necessarily indicative of performance measurement, rather, its greatest purpose is comparing computers. For example, if you were in the market for a new computer, you could compare two (or more) systems by their WEI scores. Although you upgraded your RAM, your WEI didn't change because the score is based off of the lowest scoring component. So, this means either of two things: 1. Your value RAM and G.Skills are considered to be equal, according to Windows; or 2. the RAM wasn't the lowest scoring piece of hardware.

Overclocking RAM is done in either of two ways: BIOS or a GUI-based tool. All motherboards have a BIOS or UEFI where you can change the settings of your hardware. Some motherboards have accompanied software that, when installed, allows users to make changes to their hardware without going into the BIOS. Either way you choose, you need to look for the DRAM settings and select the frequency from a list.


 
AstoSoup,

With that CPU and hardware combo, DDR3-1600 may be too stressful for the CPU memory controller. It can have a reverse effect, so to keep the load level low while still performing better than your original standard RAM, try lower timings to 8-8-8-24. DDR3-1333 8-8-8-24 1.50V will probably be the best performing settings for that CPU, memory, and motherboard. You can use a higher voltage and try to lower timings even more, but you will need to test to see what the memory kit you received is capable of. Once you find the lowest timings for DDR3-1333, you will notice a significant performance advantage over the original RAM.

Thank you
GSKILL SUPPORT

 
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Thank you both so much for the information, I will try to lower the timings to see what kind of performance increase I get. T_T, the WEI cant be too reliable because it also rates OCZ Reaper DDR2-800 2x2gb at 7.3. I would say there should be some increase going from DDR2-800 to DDR3-1866. I believe until I get a Zambezi core CPU, I will not see speeds anywhere near 1866Mhz. Thanks again guys for the help.
 

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I lowered the timings to 8-8-8-24 and was able to unlock an option to turn the speed up to 1600Mhz, which I did and CPU-Z is now recognizing it as DDR3-1600, but have a few questions. First and foremost, why did this not move the WEI from 7.3? This strikes me as real odd and as I know not many people consider it a reliable rating tool, it bothers me lol. Secondly, I did not change the Bank Cycle Time(tRC) and this is running at 39, is that correct? Also there is in option for a 1T or 2T command rate, what should this be set at? Its currently set at 1T... Thanks in advance!
 
WEI is not an accurate measurement for performance. I have heard of cases where people need to reinstall Windows for WEI to recognize the new hardware correctly. Did you run the WEI test again, and it came up with the same exact score? If you use a memory benchmark test, I can assure you performance is night and day from DDR2 to DDR3.

tRC is fine at 39. If 1T is stable, you can leave it, that is the best performance setting. Some systems require 2T to be fully stable, so it depends from each computer.

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