Windows 8 - God of modern day operating systems.

DukeOvilla

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I'm sorry if I'm being to bold for those of you with XP and Vista chained to your legs. I'm also sorry to 7 users who have been to blinded by Windows 7 to see anything else.

There seems to be allot of debate over Windows 8, even though it's thus far on the road to becoming just as successful as windows 7 (profit wise). Guys, if you take a look, without the metro stuff, it's like a faster, smoother, and more intelligent version of windows 7. Not to mention it's way lightweight in comparison. What's the big deal, it's almost identical to Windows 7 when you put the start button back in with Start8, which only costs 5$.

Benchmarks don't lie either, Windows 8 preforms better in almost every way, even more in the future with updates.

My only issue with windows 8 is this, the Metro apps suck. I'm ok with the UI. I uninstall all of those crappy full screen applications, and install ones worth their salt.

I know there are some driver issues, but if you haven't resolved these by now, then it's your own @#%% fault.

Compatibility used to be an issue, but much of these problems have been fixed by now, most everything that runs on Windows 7 will work on windows 8, you might need to do some tweaking on rare occasions. This will eventually become an unreal issue as Windows 8 gets older.


What's the big deal? Ya ain't got enough IQ to tweak your own computer!? You got mental blockage preventing you from switching out the apps with way better freeware? Who doesn't have 5$ laying around anyway, heck, the OS cost you 120$ and under, I'm sure you can get another 5$ to spend on Start8 if it's that important to you.

Besides, Windows blue is coming out to fix some of your peeves.
 

chugot9218

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Try working somewhere where you have to support an OS and the programs running on it, and imagine what it's like to explain new concepts to user's who have difficulty typing in their correct login information.... It is clear the emphasis on Windows 8 was for touch devices, I see no specific business applications that are drastically improved over 7, the performance may be better, but at this point, most of our customers caught up on hardware to run Windows 7 properly anyways.
 

carowden

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i deal with this at work too. i dont even wanna think about trying to train everyone how to get around in windows 8
 

DukeOvilla

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Why settle for less?
And no, it is highly doubtful that anything will ever run "drastically" better. I didn't say that in the first place.

Just because they don't know how does not mean they can't know how. All it takes is 2 minutes and Google.


Next time a chump calls you about Windows 8, tell them to Google it, or for the really challenged ones, tell them to YouTube it.

Bub, it took me all of 5 minutes to become fully acquainted with Windows 8.


"Guy: Um.... Der... Meh ist habbing de issues wiff twying to wog into windows weight."
"You: GOOGLE IT! It's easier and takes less time than wasting my time."
Then, hang up.



 

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maybe for one person that understands computers slightly. just because users can "use" a computer, doesnt mean that they are really computer literate, and the change is pretty drastic in windows 8 compared to 7/xp, to deploy it on a large scaled (business wide) would take more than "2 minutes and a google search" to be done successfully

also pretty difficult to google when they cant log into the computer...
 

DukeOvilla

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How'd they get the tech support number then? ahhhhhhhh? How hard can it be to use your phone, and most people have other computers.

There. I just googled it. It took me 57 seconds to find that, and learn how. I timmed it.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/sign-in-out-of-windows

Guess what else is there??????
EVERYTHING you need to know, just surf the site if you're to lazy to experiment with your own computer.

You don't need any smarts to use Windows 8, or learn how to. All you got to do is spend some time.
 

carowden

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okay...cause you (someone who presumably knows windows 8 already) googled and found a site and read it in 57 seconds, we should assume that it will take everyone 57 seconds? youre just rehashing the statement i already made, it would take that long for someone who already knows computers/windows. but a lot of people just know how to click on the icons that we place in their desktop and type in excel/word.

and they have the tech number because its saved in their phones. one button pressed and they get us on the other line.
 

DukeOvilla

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And that is the issue with the world. They use technology every day, yet know very little on how to function it. Then they make absurd claims, simply because they're clueless.

Bottom line, it's easy to learn and remember. Why people don't take a little time to learn is just beyond me.
 

carowden

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i agree, people could benefit a lot from learning more....but youve got to understand that the sole factor stopping people from this is that it means they have to change. from my experience if you make someone change something from their daily routine, they generally react pretty poorly to it. windows 8 is a change...in some ways good, but in others, not so great.

gotta agree with chugot
 

chugot9218

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Because not everyone has the technical know how and capacity to learn, and many do not want to, I have customers that I explain the entire process too for something in the hopes that they will not have to call in again, some listen, some it goes in one ear and out the other, just a fact of life, better get used to it. I can tell you, most people do not like the high and mighty techies, as a result, I try to be as helpful and understanding of their situation, no point in my getting upset over their lack of technical skill.
 
First I have Win 8 Pro on my laptop, but no current plans to upgrade my home desktops - just not worth the cost. No the interface does not bother me and as you said Start 8 gets you back to windows 7 Look-a-like and functionality.
And as You said Windows 8.1 (a free upgrade from windows 8.0) is just around the corner.
But to clarify:
.. Cost for Upgrade from Windows 7 Premium to Windows 8 BASIC is $120 but to go to Win 8 pro is like $199. Win 8 Pro OEM is around $140 - good for a new system, but Unless you can do an Upgrade from Existing Win 7 Premium, not so good.

.. Profitable: No where’s near Windows 7, in fact very close to Vista. As with Vista, the corporate world is avoiding it. Most large corporations will probably skip over and wait to see what windows 9 brings. uSoft fired the head developer of Windows 8.

.. Performance: You are trying to tell everyone that uSoft word, excel, IE Runs faster/smother - I found NO difference. YES Boot time is impressive. Cut my boot time from approx 25 Sec to approx 8 sec, BUT this is not a factor for 24/7 operation and only really affect individuals that reboot several times. Gaming benchmarks show little difference, This could change (unknown), but then I'm not a gamer.

.. Security -Yep, better than windows 7 BUT much of that is that the "BAD" guys tend to target the largest group which is currently windows 7 - so that could change as time passes. Myself I never had a problem with WinXP, or 7 - Not so dumb as to open unknown links - LOLs.

... Compatibility: Would end to agree with this for the "Home/Gamer" community. But his is a problem for the corporate world where specialized software/hardware i used.
Example I'm Still using a ground support system that uses two Pentium 90 computers running WINDOWS 3.11 FWG. They stared building a replacement a year ago to upgrade to windows 7 - cost for this single system upgrade >$100,000. They will NOT move to Windows 8 for the majority of work computes here because of compatibility issues. One of the biggest problems currently is SECURITY; The Software will not run under windows 8.

Bottom Line: As a User of windows 8 and have no problems running the software that I use, I see NO compelling reason to flush money down the lew to Upgrade from windows 7 - New system, need oS it is fine!
 

DukeOvilla

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Luckily for us, it provides us jobs. :p
It's just one of those things that will likely never change for some weird reason.

I'm saying, that If folks take some time and learn Windows 8, there'd be a lot more happy customers, and they could just tweak it and customize it with some freeware and cheap-ware to where the'd be comfortable. There simply is no denying that it preforms better, is more secure, uses less, and is just as easy to learn as previous versions of windows.
 

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These do not sound like the characteristics of a "God of modern day operating systems". You know two OS's that did have these? XP and Win7. They currently have 39% and 44% of the OS market. Win8 has less than 3%.
 

DukeOvilla

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Performance in mainly boot, yes. and game FPS shows around a 3 frame boost, which OK.
It is more secure, down coding level. Not just popularity and targeting.

Success is a relative term. According to Microsoft's predictions, it will end up being near as, or more successful than Windows 7. These predictions could be wrong, I should have clarified my source. The new Haswell CPU's, along with windows blue will probably show a big surprise in marketing.

And bub, as time goes on, XP support is going to jump off a cliff, then vista, 8 will see plenty more users as time goes on.
 

chugot9218

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You do not understand how the tech world works, the knowledge of low level operations lies in the hands of a shrinking few. How many developers today do you think program in machine language? Once the foundation is built, learning moves upwards, and the knowledge of how that foundation was built is lost. It is really a huge problem today that our emphasis on learning has moved to such a high level, those with true knowledge of the inner workings of a PC are dwindling and their expertise comes at an extreme premium. You want high paying job that will always have work, learn machine language, there will always have to be someone who knows programming at that level We no longer want to know the details, we just want the end result. All current advancements in technology in the consumer market are towards ease of use, most people don't want to download programs to make it work how they want, they expect that feature out of the box.
 

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Win8 sales are stalling. Win7 is still growing. Vista grew faster and is still ahead of Win8. By what metric is Win8 a success? Good OS or not, it is by far the worst selling OS Microsoft has ever had.
 

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The people who buy them will run Win7 on them. Because as I stated, Win7 is still growing. Also keep in mind, Microsoft sells Win7 for over $100 a copy. They tried selling Win8 for months and not many ppl bought it for $40 a copy.
 
"Blue" = 8.1 which as I said is just around the corner.
A year from now will be a New OS, which Like going from Vista -> windows 7, will be Windows 8 -> windows X. Just pointing out that year from now your stats for WINDOWS 8 may be irrelevent.

Just a note. Windows 7 COULD have been a service pac to Vista. MS HAD to change the Name as Corporate America woud NOT move to vista. UNLESS MS makes some changes Corporate America will move veryyyyy slowly to Win 8/win 8.1. Upgrading Home users are such a small target. Unfortunatly many Home users consider an upgrade from Windows 7 Premium -> Windows 8 BASIC as a "Downgrade" and not worth the money.
 

DukeOvilla

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No, Windows 8 pro and Windows 7 pro sell at the same price, about $140
1. Market computer companies ALWAYS put the latest operation system on.
2. Anyone making a computer obviously knows somthing about them, they'll probably go with the better preforming Windows 8, especially after blue comes out. 7 and 8 are quite similar. Esp if you put in a star menu, either with blue, from Star8, or from classic shell, which is free, and works ok, I use it. If the themes were the same, I'd not be able to tell the difference.

Blue is sort of like the desktop version of Windows 8. They plan to make several changes to navigation and customize-ability. They will add a start orb, and there is rumor of a start menu, at the very least the metro menu will receive some changes.
 

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They sold Win8 for $40 from October to February and it still sold less copies than Vista.

I'm not sure why you think that enthusiasts will all of a sudden start buying Win8 for their new builds. They generally avoid it like the plague right now.
 

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