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May 15, 2013 10:05:46 AM

I'm sorry if I'm being to bold for those of you with XP and Vista chained to your legs. I'm also sorry to 7 users who have been to blinded by Windows 7 to see anything else.

There seems to be allot of debate over Windows 8, even though it's thus far on the road to becoming just as successful as windows 7 (profit wise). Guys, if you take a look, without the metro stuff, it's like a faster, smoother, and more intelligent version of windows 7. Not to mention it's way lightweight in comparison. What's the big deal, it's almost identical to Windows 7 when you put the start button back in with Start8, which only costs 5$.

Benchmarks don't lie either, Windows 8 preforms better in almost every way, even more in the future with updates.

My only issue with windows 8 is this, the Metro apps suck. I'm ok with the UI. I uninstall all of those crappy full screen applications, and install ones worth their salt.

I know there are some driver issues, but if you haven't resolved these by now, then it's your own @#%% fault.

Compatibility used to be an issue, but much of these problems have been fixed by now, most everything that runs on Windows 7 will work on windows 8, you might need to do some tweaking on rare occasions. This will eventually become an unreal issue as Windows 8 gets older.


What's the big deal? Ya ain't got enough IQ to tweak your own computer!? You got mental blockage preventing you from switching out the apps with way better freeware? Who doesn't have 5$ laying around anyway, heck, the OS cost you 120$ and under, I'm sure you can get another 5$ to spend on Start8 if it's that important to you.

Besides, Windows blue is coming out to fix some of your peeves.
a b $ Windows 7
May 15, 2013 10:14:25 AM

I don't understand what you expect to get here, everyone has different opinions, just because you are so confident in yours, does not mean it is right.
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May 15, 2013 10:15:32 AM

I simply stated the facts my friend, with some colorful language. :) 
My motivation is simply to crush the untrue rumors and faltering self inflicted cons of Windows 8 users.
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May 15, 2013 10:24:53 AM

Try working somewhere where you have to support an OS and the programs running on it, and imagine what it's like to explain new concepts to user's who have difficulty typing in their correct login information.... It is clear the emphasis on Windows 8 was for touch devices, I see no specific business applications that are drastically improved over 7, the performance may be better, but at this point, most of our customers caught up on hardware to run Windows 7 properly anyways.
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May 15, 2013 10:31:04 AM

chugot9218 said:
Try working somewhere where you have to support an OS and the programs running on it, and imagine what it's like to explain new concepts to user's who have difficulty typing in their correct login information....


i deal with this at work too. i dont even wanna think about trying to train everyone how to get around in windows 8
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May 15, 2013 10:32:39 AM

This is all you need to know...

"At this point, it isn’t entirely clear how Microsoft intends to spur the adoption of Windows 8. It’s a bitter pill to swallow, but Windows Vista actually enjoyed faster growth than Windows 8 — and we know all too well how the Vista story played out."

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/149762-four-months...
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May 15, 2013 10:37:46 AM

Why settle for less?
And no, it is highly doubtful that anything will ever run "drastically" better. I didn't say that in the first place.

Just because they don't know how does not mean they can't know how. All it takes is 2 minutes and Google.


Next time a chump calls you about Windows 8, tell them to Google it, or for the really challenged ones, tell them to YouTube it.

Bub, it took me all of 5 minutes to become fully acquainted with Windows 8.


"Guy: Um.... Der... Meh ist habbing de issues wiff twying to wog into windows weight."
"You: GOOGLE IT! It's easier and takes less time than wasting my time."
Then, hang up.



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May 15, 2013 10:44:01 AM

DukeOvilla said:
Why settle for less?
And no, it is highly doubtful that anything will ever run "drastically" better. I didn't say that in the first place.

Just because they don't know how does not mean they can't know how. All it takes is 2 minutes and Google.


Next time a chump calls you about Windows 8, tell them to Google it, or for the really challenged ones, tell them to YouTube it.

Bub, it took me all of 5 minutes to become fully acquainted with Windows 8.





maybe for one person that understands computers slightly. just because users can "use" a computer, doesnt mean that they are really computer literate, and the change is pretty drastic in windows 8 compared to 7/xp, to deploy it on a large scaled (business wide) would take more than "2 minutes and a google search" to be done successfully

also pretty difficult to google when they cant log into the computer...
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May 15, 2013 10:49:23 AM

How'd they get the tech support number then? ahhhhhhhh? How hard can it be to use your phone, and most people have other computers.

There. I just googled it. It took me 57 seconds to find that, and learn how. I timmed it.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/sign-in-ou...

Guess what else is there??????
EVERYTHING you need to know, just surf the site if you're to lazy to experiment with your own computer.

You don't need any smarts to use Windows 8, or learn how to. All you got to do is spend some time.
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May 15, 2013 10:57:38 AM

okay...cause you (someone who presumably knows windows 8 already) googled and found a site and read it in 57 seconds, we should assume that it will take everyone 57 seconds? youre just rehashing the statement i already made, it would take that long for someone who already knows computers/windows. but a lot of people just know how to click on the icons that we place in their desktop and type in excel/word.

and they have the tech number because its saved in their phones. one button pressed and they get us on the other line.
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a b $ Windows 7
May 15, 2013 11:07:07 AM

You need to hit the real world before it hits you lol.
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May 15, 2013 11:07:53 AM

And that is the issue with the world. They use technology every day, yet know very little on how to function it. Then they make absurd claims, simply because they're clueless.

Bottom line, it's easy to learn and remember. Why people don't take a little time to learn is just beyond me.
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May 15, 2013 11:11:53 AM

DukeOvilla said:
And that is the issue with the world. They use technology every day, yet know very little on how to function it. Then they make absurd claims, simply because they're clueless.

Bottom line, it's easy to learn and remember. Why people don't take a little time to learn is just beyond me.


i agree, people could benefit a lot from learning more....but youve got to understand that the sole factor stopping people from this is that it means they have to change. from my experience if you make someone change something from their daily routine, they generally react pretty poorly to it. windows 8 is a change...in some ways good, but in others, not so great.

gotta agree with chugot
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a b $ Windows 7
May 15, 2013 11:11:56 AM

Because not everyone has the technical know how and capacity to learn, and many do not want to, I have customers that I explain the entire process too for something in the hopes that they will not have to call in again, some listen, some it goes in one ear and out the other, just a fact of life, better get used to it. I can tell you, most people do not like the high and mighty techies, as a result, I try to be as helpful and understanding of their situation, no point in my getting upset over their lack of technical skill.
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a b $ Windows 7
a b * Windows 8
May 15, 2013 11:19:50 AM

First I have Win 8 Pro on my laptop, but no current plans to upgrade my home desktops - just not worth the cost. No the interface does not bother me and as you said Start 8 gets you back to windows 7 Look-a-like and functionality.
And as You said Windows 8.1 (a free upgrade from windows 8.0) is just around the corner.
But to clarify:
.. Cost for Upgrade from Windows 7 Premium to Windows 8 BASIC is $120 but to go to Win 8 pro is like $199. Win 8 Pro OEM is around $140 - good for a new system, but Unless you can do an Upgrade from Existing Win 7 Premium, not so good.

.. Profitable: No where’s near Windows 7, in fact very close to Vista. As with Vista, the corporate world is avoiding it. Most large corporations will probably skip over and wait to see what windows 9 brings. uSoft fired the head developer of Windows 8.

.. Performance: You are trying to tell everyone that uSoft word, excel, IE Runs faster/smother - I found NO difference. YES Boot time is impressive. Cut my boot time from approx 25 Sec to approx 8 sec, BUT this is not a factor for 24/7 operation and only really affect individuals that reboot several times. Gaming benchmarks show little difference, This could change (unknown), but then I'm not a gamer.

.. Security -Yep, better than windows 7 BUT much of that is that the "BAD" guys tend to target the largest group which is currently windows 7 - so that could change as time passes. Myself I never had a problem with WinXP, or 7 - Not so dumb as to open unknown links - LOLs.

... Compatibility: Would end to agree with this for the "Home/Gamer" community. But his is a problem for the corporate world where specialized software/hardware i used.
Example I'm Still using a ground support system that uses two Pentium 90 computers running WINDOWS 3.11 FWG. They stared building a replacement a year ago to upgrade to windows 7 - cost for this single system upgrade >$100,000. They will NOT move to Windows 8 for the majority of work computes here because of compatibility issues. One of the biggest problems currently is SECURITY; The Software will not run under windows 8.

Bottom Line: As a User of windows 8 and have no problems running the software that I use, I see NO compelling reason to flush money down the lew to Upgrade from windows 7 - New system, need oS it is fine!
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May 15, 2013 11:20:09 AM

Luckily for us, it provides us jobs. :p 
It's just one of those things that will likely never change for some weird reason.

I'm saying, that If folks take some time and learn Windows 8, there'd be a lot more happy customers, and they could just tweak it and customize it with some freeware and cheap-ware to where the'd be comfortable. There simply is no denying that it preforms better, is more secure, uses less, and is just as easy to learn as previous versions of windows.
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May 15, 2013 11:26:05 AM

DukeOvilla said:
Luckily for us, it provides us jobs. :p 
It's just one of those things that will likely never change for some weird reason.

I'm saying, that If folks take some time and learn Windows 8, there'd be a lot more happy customers, and they could just tweak it and customize it with some freeware and cheap-ware to where the'd be comfortable. There simply is no denying that it preforms better, is more secure, uses less, and is just as easy to learn as previous versions of windows.


These do not sound like the characteristics of a "God of modern day operating systems". You know two OS's that did have these? XP and Win7. They currently have 39% and 44% of the OS market. Win8 has less than 3%.
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May 15, 2013 11:28:29 AM

Performance in mainly boot, yes. and game FPS shows around a 3 frame boost, which OK.
It is more secure, down coding level. Not just popularity and targeting.

Success is a relative term. According to Microsoft's predictions, it will end up being near as, or more successful than Windows 7. These predictions could be wrong, I should have clarified my source. The new Haswell CPU's, along with windows blue will probably show a big surprise in marketing.

And bub, as time goes on, XP support is going to jump off a cliff, then vista, 8 will see plenty more users as time goes on.
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a b $ Windows 7
May 15, 2013 11:31:36 AM

You do not understand how the tech world works, the knowledge of low level operations lies in the hands of a shrinking few. How many developers today do you think program in machine language? Once the foundation is built, learning moves upwards, and the knowledge of how that foundation was built is lost. It is really a huge problem today that our emphasis on learning has moved to such a high level, those with true knowledge of the inner workings of a PC are dwindling and their expertise comes at an extreme premium. You want high paying job that will always have work, learn machine language, there will always have to be someone who knows programming at that level We no longer want to know the details, we just want the end result. All current advancements in technology in the consumer market are towards ease of use, most people don't want to download programs to make it work how they want, they expect that feature out of the box.
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May 15, 2013 11:32:54 AM

DukeOvilla said:
Performance in mainly boot, yes. and game FPS shows around a 3 frame boost, which OK.
It is more secure, down coding level. Not just popularity and targeting.

Success is a relative term. According to Microsoft's predictions, it will end up being near as, or more successful than Windows 7. These predictions could be wrong, I should have clarified my source. The new Haswell CPU's, along with windows blue will probably show a big surprise in marketing.

And bub, as time goes on, XP support is going to jump off a cliff, then vista, 8 will see plenty more users as time goes on.


Win8 sales are stalling. Win7 is still growing. Vista grew faster and is still ahead of Win8. By what metric is Win8 a success? Good OS or not, it is by far the worst selling OS Microsoft has ever had.
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May 15, 2013 11:35:32 AM

Did you not catch the part about Haswell and blue?
I'll come back in like a year, and rub the stats in your faces.

Windows 8 ain't done yet. It's only swung once, and is still at bat.
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May 15, 2013 11:38:42 AM

The people who buy them will run Win7 on them. Because as I stated, Win7 is still growing. Also keep in mind, Microsoft sells Win7 for over $100 a copy. They tried selling Win8 for months and not many ppl bought it for $40 a copy.
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a b $ Windows 7
a b * Windows 8
May 15, 2013 11:49:19 AM

"Blue" = 8.1 which as I said is just around the corner.
A year from now will be a New OS, which Like going from Vista -> windows 7, will be Windows 8 -> windows X. Just pointing out that year from now your stats for WINDOWS 8 may be irrelevent.

Just a note. Windows 7 COULD have been a service pac to Vista. MS HAD to change the Name as Corporate America woud NOT move to vista. UNLESS MS makes some changes Corporate America will move veryyyyy slowly to Win 8/win 8.1. Upgrading Home users are such a small target. Unfortunatly many Home users consider an upgrade from Windows 7 Premium -> Windows 8 BASIC as a "Downgrade" and not worth the money.
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May 15, 2013 11:49:49 AM

No, Windows 8 pro and Windows 7 pro sell at the same price, about $140
1. Market computer companies ALWAYS put the latest operation system on.
2. Anyone making a computer obviously knows somthing about them, they'll probably go with the better preforming Windows 8, especially after blue comes out. 7 and 8 are quite similar. Esp if you put in a star menu, either with blue, from Star8, or from classic shell, which is free, and works ok, I use it. If the themes were the same, I'd not be able to tell the difference.

Blue is sort of like the desktop version of Windows 8. They plan to make several changes to navigation and customize-ability. They will add a start orb, and there is rumor of a start menu, at the very least the metro menu will receive some changes.
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May 15, 2013 12:01:05 PM

DukeOvilla said:
No, Windows 8 pro and Windows 7 pro sell at the same price, about $140
1. Market computer companies ALWAYS put the latest operation system on.
2. Anyone making a computer obviously knows somthing about them, they'll probably go with the better preforming Windows 8, especially after blue comes out. 7 and 8 are quite similar. Esp if you put in a star menu, either with blue, from Star8, or from classic shell, which is free, and works ok, I use it. If the themes were the same, I'd not be able to tell the difference.

Blue is sort of like the desktop version of Windows 8. They plan to make several changes to navigation and customize-ability. They will add a start orb, and there is rumor of a start menu, at the very least the metro menu will receive some changes.


They sold Win8 for $40 from October to February and it still sold less copies than Vista.

I'm not sure why you think that enthusiasts will all of a sudden start buying Win8 for their new builds. They generally avoid it like the plague right now.
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May 15, 2013 12:04:56 PM

how many people do you think have built computers since windows 8 came out? a lot, and most of them (as the numbers are showing) still pick the "lesser" widows 7. its not a coincidence. its proven, and the fact of the matter is youre trying to tell us to switch to 8, then make it look and act like windows 7 (ignoring the metro interface will make it all better?). it just doesnt really make sense to waste my time for faster boot times and 3 fps in games....not to mention the 140 bucks to "upgrade"

not saying i hate windows 8, it has its place. i will not chose it over windows 7 for my desktop, regardless of boot times
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May 15, 2013 12:05:28 PM

Microsoft plans to re-market Windows 8.1, in a way.....
If they make some notable changes, then is a sure that it will sell more.

I'm not telling to upgrade, forget that notion, t's not worth it. I'm saying new computers will end up making much more windows 8 sells. The likelihood of upgrading will probably go up for many as well.
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May 15, 2013 12:07:26 PM

DukeOvilla said:
No, Windows 8 pro and Windows 7 pro sell at the same price, about $140
1. Market computer companies ALWAYS put the latest operation system on.
2. Anyone making a computer obviously knows somthing about them, they'll probably go with the better preforming Windows 8, especially after blue comes out. 7 and 8 are quite similar. Esp if you put in a star menu, either with blue, from Star8, or from classic shell, which is free, and works ok, I use it. If the themes were the same, I'd not be able to tell the difference.

Blue is sort of like the desktop version of Windows 8. They plan to make several changes to navigation and customize-ability. They will add a start orb, and there is rumor of a start menu, at the very least the metro menu will receive some changes.


Also, you should change this thread to "Windows 8 is RUMORED TO BECOME the God of modern day operating systems"
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a b $ Windows 7
May 15, 2013 12:17:35 PM

I dunno how much longer the mods should let this thread go lol, the hardcore trolls have stayed out so far but I can't imagine it will be long ;) .
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May 15, 2013 12:20:41 PM

Why, it's already the best. Just because it is not selling well right now does not make it bad. It is factually the best one yet. Mine has a start menu, so it's like Windows 7 with an upgrade.

It's already god, it just does not have enough worshipers.
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a b $ Windows 7
a b * Windows 8
May 15, 2013 8:05:06 PM

DukeOvilla said:
I'm sorry if I'm being to bold for those of you with XP and Vista chained to your legs. I'm also sorry to 7 users who have been to blinded by Windows 7 to see anything else.


Windows 7 still works fine for me, Windows 8 is spending money, then taking the time to get everything functioning and looking like Windows 7.

DukeOvilla said:

There seems to be allot of debate over Windows 8, even though it's thus far on the road to becoming just as successful as windows 7 (profit wise). Guys, if you take a look, without the metro stuff, it's like a faster, smoother, and more intelligent version of windows 7. Not to mention it's way lightweight in comparison. What's the big deal, it's almost identical to Windows 7 when you put the start button back in with Start8, which only costs 5$.


Faster? If Windows 8 was any faster than Windows 7 it would predict or read my thoughts on what i would be doing next and automatically anticipate my every move. Every installation (especially for a newer PC) will always appear faster without any programs or full hard drives present. My solution is to get a bigger storage device if the OS is taking up too much space. Again, Windows 7 already comes with a free start menu.

DukeOvilla said:

Benchmarks don't lie either, Windows 8 preforms better in almost every way, even more in the future with updates.


This is mostly because there are some Aero features missing. Granted MS might have thrown in a few tweaks here and there and focused on making the OS like bootup to load faster, but again, it depends if you want to sacrifice the missing Aero enhancements.

DukeOvilla said:

I know there are some driver issues, but if you haven't resolved these by now, then it's your own @#%% fault.


Well all i can say is some users can't be bothered with messing around with driver issues. It's going to sometimes happen when you install a new OS.

DukeOvilla said:

Compatibility used to be an issue, but much of these problems have been fixed by now, most everything that runs on Windows 7 will work on windows 8, you might need to do some tweaking on rare occasions. This will eventually become an unreal issue as Windows 8 gets older.


Every OS tends to have it's bugs and incompatibilities. I didn't have many compatibility issues with Windows 7.

DukeOvilla said:

What's the big deal? Ya ain't got enough IQ to tweak your own computer!? You got mental blockage preventing you from switching out the apps with way better freeware? Who doesn't have 5$ laying around anyway, heck, the OS cost you 120$ and under, I'm sure you can get another 5$ to spend on Start8 if it's that important to you.


With every OS there are little tweaks here and there i usually do but they don't involve downloading 3rd party applications. Besides the security and replacing Disk Defragmenter with Defraggler and getting CCleaner there are not much software that i require to keep my system updated, cleaned and running smooth. Some users (including me) don't want to spend the extra time to tweak the UI to make it function just like Windows 7. Not to mention during an installation it's best to get your system properly secure before downloading any 3rd party downloads. Moving from the start screen to the desktop would just make me dizzy.

DukeOvilla said:

Besides, Windows blue is coming out to fix some of your peeves.


Depending on what they do, Win Blue is pretty much a service pack (yeah i know it's really not but it might as well be) so i am not holding my breath that the UI will change much. Overall, i don't find Win 8 a much of an upgrade. Some extra security enhancements but every new OS tends to be that way at first, since well.. its new. Windows 7 functions well on my i7 system and i don't really need a faster bootup time. I either keep my system on standby, on or if i'm at work i'll simply turn it off and if i turn it on when i get home, i can let it boot up while i freshen up or do whatever.. i don't ever need to wait for it to boot.

It's great that you among some other users enjoy Windows 8 but among MS changing the UI around (it's not tough to learn it's just annoying to me) & losing a few features and it's just too time consuming to look through different start menus and different UI tweaks (and considering not every one is free) it's just more convenient to stick with Windows 7. I will say that the task manager looks better (well i wish they had temps for the hard drives, CPU, ect.. tho) and possibly the best MS has released. Also unless i'm wrong it would be nice to tweak the colors so the graph would look like Win 7's task bar.

The new start screen however is a different story. I like multitasking.. a lot! So if mS is heading towards a strictly touch environment it won't work for me if i wanna load a few programs while continuing with whatever i was doing at the time and having the ability to switch through them with the task bar at the bottom. The new start screen/modern apps do not allow this as everything is full screen. I believe you can have 2 apps running at once, but again, i like the window apps better. Being able to resize them and load them on top of one another then being able to view them without the burden of having them full screen or not being able to see whether they are open without the task manager. Even the running notifications are good, because i can see what is running at once without going away from my immediate task. It might be trivial and maybe some users who praise the new start screen can't see that now or don't really run more than one or 2 applications. But sometimes i don't always remember what i need to run and i generally run a few programs in the background that i think i'll need so when i am viewing the task bar or the notification area it's a reminder that i needed to use that program.

Maybe MS will fix that in the future or with Win 8.1, but for now Win 8 is an unknown entity that has no real direction or objective yet, that's how i see it. You might call it old fashioned or whatever, but i call it being protective of the desktop UI. While yes Win 8 still has the desktop, and yes you can install 3rd party enhancements to make it function like Win 7 but what about the start screen? What will MS plan for the future for the Windows UI? Most users have been used to the desktop UI for many years. I prefer the desktop over the touch UI, even tho i might like my Android phone, i still need a keyboard and mouse to type. The touch keyboard (and no mouse) kinda slows down my productivity when it's far much easier to hit a wrong button then on a physical keyboard. I am probably missing some other issues (or potential problems of Win 8) but this should have already been questioned by MS staff.
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a c 215 $ Windows 7
a b * Windows 8
May 15, 2013 9:55:37 PM

DukeOvilla,

I share your opinion at a basic level, but working in corporate IT support as I have for 7 years now, I have learned one thing above all else:

Training employees to re-learn how to use their computers takes a LOT of time and a LOT of money, both in training programs for those employees, as well as in lost productivity while those employees are brought up to speed on how to use the latest version of Windows.

People like you and I inherently Google something when we want to figure out how to make our computer do something specific if we don't already understand how to. For us, this exercise is very quick, and very easy. For someone in Sales who has to call people like us to remember how to turn their computer on, it's a whole different story. I have personally watched people who are not computer literate try to look up things like this on their own (the people in question were ok with this when I asked them if I could observe them trying to figure it out for themselves; They also weren't busy at the time). Needless to say, it took them CONSIDERABLY longer to find what they needed.

We understand how to find the answers we need because we understand how to go about looking for them. People who aren't computer literate haven't got the faintest clue where to begin. We can complain about these types of people taking ages to look something up, but they aren't wired the same way we are. Best way to think about it is to flip roles. Would you understand the first thing about how to really sell your company's products? How well would you fit into your Accounting department? Or Development? HR?

While we all wish that people could simply get better at what we do, we also have to realize that actually achieving the goal of helping employees becoming more technically self-sufficient in a corporate environment does not happen over night, and when it does happen, it also means less jobs for us. We take less support calls, management cuts the number of people on the helpdesk because there are fewer problems to solve.

There are also other factors that can weigh into all of this, but at a basic level, this covers a fair chunk.

I have moved all of my systems to Windows 8 (did so immediately upon the RTM release to TechNet/MSDN) and think the world of it. I too wish people could actually try learning how to use it instead of complaining or spewing FUD without having any first-hand experience with the product at all. But I'm also a realist. I quash the FUD as much as a can, but I also recognize that people do have legitimate complaints. If someone says they don't like an OS (any OS), ask them to explain why. People spreading FUD will make themselves quite obvious very quickly. The best thing you can do with legitimate issues though, is to listen. Perhaps you know something about what is causing them trouble and can suggest a solution, or at least a workaround. If they aren't willing to listen to you when you try to help them though, don't waste your time.
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May 16, 2013 5:19:35 AM

Well put, The_Prophecy.

Just to clarify some points I made...

Windows 8 does preform better in pretty much every way, some areas much more than others. But in day to day operation, I've noticed Windows 8 to be more fluid/smooth than all its predecessors. It just seems quicker. I've never had a crash with Windows 8 either. Trust me, I've used Windows 95 - Windows 8, each OS I've spent plenty of time with. It's just something you don't notice unless you have Windows 8. It also uses less of your resources, which is a great plus!

The price point for Windows 8 and 7 is about the same.

Most folks, as I have come to understand, are displeased with the new UI, I'll not lie, I am as well. But I don't mind to much, as it's still just as easy to find what I need. The single thing I was disappointed about was the metro apps, which in my opinion, all sucked. They were just terrible. But this is not an issue because I just replaced them with better stuff.

Windows 8 does come with other improvements, several to security. It also has a few new features accessible through the control panel.

What I'm trying to say in a nutshell is this...
If you have Windows 8, and are displeased, it would be well worth it to do some tweaking and be hugely satisfied. Because when you boil it down, Windows 8 is really similar to Windows 7. Put in a Start menu, and the only notable change at glance is the theme, which can also be changed if you so wish.

I installed Windows 8 on a friend's, and tweaked it to look like Windows 7. He honestly though it was Windows 7, and that I had just reinstalled it. It was not until he check his stats that he realized it was Windows 8. He had Windows 7 before on the same rig, he said he saw a notable change, it was acting smoother all round.

The_Prophecy, lol, I hear you about others and their ability to use computers and the internet.
It's just SO painful to watch someone like that use a computer. I swear it hurts my eyes, like watching a really old cartoon.
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May 17, 2013 9:33:13 AM

chugot9218 said:
I dunno how much longer the mods should let this thread go lol, the hardcore trolls have stayed out so far but I can't imagine it will be long ;) .


Seriously? LOL. The hardcore troll in this thread is the OP!! Trust me. I start threads on other forums all the time to coax an emotional response out of people.
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a b * Windows 8
May 17, 2013 9:39:46 AM

I'm actually rather enjoying this thread, so far. ;) 
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a b $ Windows 7
May 17, 2013 9:47:24 AM

I'll enjoy it even more if you declare me the winner ;) .
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May 17, 2013 10:48:54 PM

I could use Windows 7 or 8 and not really mind either way. I spend all my time in the desktop except when starting up a new application, so the shocking Metro garbage doesn't cause me any problems. The Start Screen is actually quite useful for pinning the applications I use most, and the rest can be searched for in the same way as in Win 7.

We can argue about the virtues of each until the next Windows release and in no way convince anyone else that we are correct. Opinions don't prove other peoples' opinions wrong.

The fact is that apart from this fact this thread has no facts (in my opinion).
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May 18, 2013 12:04:31 AM

So far, in my opinion, the second most annoying thing abut this thread is the OP's signature.

The first is his failure to notice that most computer users don't do computing for a living or take it any more seriously than they have to. They use a computer as a tool and neither want nor should need to tweak an OS to make it more functional. It has to work straight out of the box and it should not depend on expensive new hardware such as touch screens to fully take advantage of all its functionality.

When W8 becomes W* and fixes those issues, it may take over the world.
By the way, Duke - I once tweaked a Linux OS to the point where four convinced Vista users thought it was Vista. :D 

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