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May 15, 2013 3:12:36 PM

Hi all. You guys have been very helpful. But I have one more question.
I currently have a 2.5 inch SATA 5400 rpm laptop hdd in my desktop pc. I wanted to offload some of the loading to an older PATA hard drive at 7200 RPM. My MOBO does not have an IDE/PATA interface so I got this. (Specs at bottem) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I connected it to a power slot and plugged it into SATA 4. (5 and 6 used with DVD and other HDD) It takes forever for it to boot then asks me to select which drive I want. But It only lists the CDROM drive and the SATA one. However in BIOS it shows in one part that it sees the HDD but when it has 1-6 sata it only shows the sata and dvd drive. How do I get this pc to recongize this. I don't want an OS on it just a second hard drive.
FX-6300 At stock 3.5hz
AMD Radeon 7870 LE (7930)
ASUS m5a 781-m lx plus

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a c 104 G Storage
May 16, 2013 2:58:29 PM

Hi Bob,
The IDE to SATA converter can be fussy to set up in that the Syba converter is bidirectional. I would guess it is just a matter of setting the jumpers on both the PATA drive and converter correctly.

Check in the instruction manual for the IDE to SATA direction, in that you are going from the older IDE drive to a SATA MB port.

You need to set your IDE drive jumpers to Master, and instructions say to set the jumpers on the Syba converter to Master/Single. One amazon post said he had to set his to Cable Select to work.

Double check these settings first, since it may just be getting the jumpers for both devices set to talk to each other.
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a c 906 G Storage
May 16, 2013 3:34:42 PM

Make sure the jumper on the IDE drive is set to master or CS. If one doesnt work try the other one. Make sure the power is off before you change the jumper. Also its not clear but the adapter needs its own power via floppy drive power cable and the IDE device needs its own power via molex.
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May 16, 2013 8:14:25 PM

popatim said:
Make sure the jumper on the IDE drive is set to master or CS. If one doesnt work try the other one. Make sure the power is off before you change the jumper. Also its not clear but the adapter needs its own power via floppy drive power cable and the IDE device needs its own power via molex.

Ok I don't have the original box for the hd. It has one jumper in it right now most likely as masters it was a single hdd pc.

As far as the adage needing power thereis an extra slot open but it already lights up wheni turn the pc on.
What does the floppy cable look like I'd like to see if I have one around the house.

Thanks for the responses guys!
Edit where would I plug in the floppy power cord. I already have the hdd hooked up to the psu and the other cord in a sata port.
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a c 104 G Storage
May 17, 2013 7:35:43 AM

Hi again,
Check on the Manufacturer and model # of the PATA HDD and we can look up where the master jumper should be. Actually some masters use no jumpers, so it's important to set it up correctly.

As far as the Floppy power connector is concerned, it's called a Berg connector, as compared to a standard 4 pin molex connector.
Here is an image of one.



But as long as you have the 15 pin SATA power connector, plugged into the adapter, you are fine.
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May 17, 2013 1:01:06 PM

John_VanKirk said:
Hi again,
Check on the Manufacturer and model # of the PATA HDD and we can look up where the master jumper should be. Actually some masters use no jumpers, so it's important to set it up correctly.

As far as the Floppy power connector is concerned, it's called a Berg connector, as compared to a standard 4 pin molex connector.
Here is an image of one.

But as long as you have the 15 pin SATA power connector, plugged into the adapter, you are fine.


Ya I thought I was OK with power I had it hooked into the PSU with what you shows me in the picture.

I only have the HDD so here it is

160GB PATA/8MB CACHE WD1600AAJB
S/N WCAV3D110630
MDL-WD1600AAJB (Same As with the other part up top)
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May 17, 2013 2:38:46 PM

popatim said:
Make sure the jumper on the IDE drive is set to master or CS. If one doesnt work try the other one. Make sure the power is off before you change the jumper. Also its not clear but the adapter needs its own power via floppy drive power cable and the IDE device needs its own power via molex.


I think I have found the root of the problem. However I need help fixing it.

I plugged the device into my spare external hard drive usb kit to make it USB usable and I heard a noise. This whole time the hard drive wasn't spinning. However the light on the adapter shows up. I do have it connected to a power source as that comes up. I have one cord to raid 4 and the other cord to my PSU. Any suggestiosn?
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a c 104 G Storage
May 17, 2013 4:47:15 PM

Hello,
This WD Caviar Blue 160GB drive shows there are no jumpers on the 10 pin jumper header to be connected as a Master. Give that a try first.
One post said to try the cable select pins 1 & 2 jumpered (most right) if that didn't work.

As mentioned earlier, all jumper and cable connections must be made with the power off, for this PATA drive. Hope that gets you going.
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May 17, 2013 6:22:49 PM

John_VanKirk said:
Hello,
This WD Caviar Blue 160GB drive shows there are no jumpers on the 10 pin jumper header to be connected as a Master. Give that a try first.
One post said to try the cable select pins 1 & 2 jumpered (most right) if that didn't work.

As mentioned earlier, all jumper and cable connections must be made with the power off, for this PATA drive. Hope that gets you going.


I have you d the root cause of the problem to be power related. But I don't know how to fix it. I plugged in the hdd to an external adapter and felt it spinning I didn't notice this before. When I turn the pc on the adapter lights up but I guess they hard drive is t getting power. Tomorrow I will start it up with just the sata plugged in and see if that still lights up. If it does well idk help me out here guys!

***STOP BUMPING!***

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a b G Storage
May 19, 2013 8:16:35 PM

I know it sucks, but Bumping threads isn't allowed. I deleted your bumps, please don't do it again.

You do have the harddrive plugged into the PSU as well correct? It doesn't get its power from the adapter.
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May 20, 2013 3:42:56 AM

4745454b said:
I know it sucks, but Bumping threads isn't allowed. I deleted your bumps, please don't do it again.

You do have the harddrive plugged into the PSU as well correct? It doesn't get its power from the adapter.


Yes it's plugged into the psu. But there is also another cord with it as well. There are not any spots to plug that in at.
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a b G Storage
May 20, 2013 5:22:39 AM

Small, about four pins? That's an unneeded/outdated cord for audio.

You should have the jumpers set, with a power cord and the adapter in the back of the hdd. The adapter should have a SATA and 4pin floppy cable plugged into the back of it. The SATA cable should be in the orange plug, not sure why the black one is there.
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May 20, 2013 11:38:07 AM

4745454b said:
Small, about four pins? That's an unneeded/outdated cord for audio.

You should have the jumpers set, with a power cord and the adapter in the back of the hdd. The adapter should have a SATA and 4pin floppy cable plugged into the back of it. The SATA cable should be in the orange plug, not sure why the black one is there.


Yes that is the extra one. The floppy power is plugged in and so is the red orange sata cable however te hard drive doesn't spin. I know it works because i hooked up up to an external kit and it spun.
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a c 104 G Storage
May 20, 2013 12:22:16 PM

Here is the URL for the User manual for your Suba device. Worth reviewing.
http://www.sybausa.com/resource/SD-ADA50016/SD-ADA50016...

I think (as mentioned by the moderator) that there is confusion regarding power to the IDE HDD. It does not show it in the manual, but you must connect a standard 4 pin molex connector to the HDD so it gets power. That is completely separate from the adapter. Here is an image of the molex connector that goes to the hard drive.

With the adapted set aside, and power to the HDD only, turn on your computer to listen if the HDD spins up. If so, leave this molex connector plugged into the HDD, turn the power off, and follow the instructions in the manal to connect the adapter. The berg FDD connector is for power to the adapter only, not the HDD. Now with the berg power connector and the SATA data cable plugged in, and SW1 ad SW2 (switches) pushed to the left as in the manual, turn the computer power back on and see if it is successful.
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May 20, 2013 6:26:08 PM

John_VanKirk said:
Here is the URL for the User manual for your Suba device. Worth

I think (as mentioned by the moderator) that there is confusion regarding power to the IDE HDD. It does not show it in the manual, but you must connect a standard 4 pin molex connector to the HDD so it gets power. That is completely separate from the adapter. Here is an image of the molex connector that goes to the hard drive.
http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/
With the adapted set aside, and power to the HDD only, turn on your computer to listen if the HDD spins up. If so, leave this molex connector plugged into the HDD, turn the power off, and follow the instructions in the manal to connect the adapter. The berg FDD connector is for power to the adapter only, not the HDD. Now with the berg power connector and the SATA data cable plugged in, and SW1 ad SW2 (switches) pushed to the left as in the manual, turn the computer power back on and see if it is successful.[/msgquoted" target="_blank">
Thanks so much for the response I will check that tomorrow.

Do normal power supplies mine is a corsair 600 watt plus have that adapter plug in? I don't see it anywhere. ( has friend build pc I have little knowledge about hardware)


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a c 104 G Storage
May 21, 2013 8:10:09 AM

Best to check over the PSU adapter cables, and the cables that came with the Syba adapter.
The Syba adapter comes in the box with a "small-large 4 pin Y adapter cable to adapt from a std 4 pin molex connector to the std berg connector.

Also your Corsair 600 80 Plus PSU is modular. It comes with four std 4 pin molex cables, as well as one floppy berg cable. If you haven't used all them, you should have them in the PSU box or stored away. So all the cables you need should be available for the HDD, and adapter. Of course it comes with several SATA cables also which, as noted, you can adapt if needed

Looks like you have everything you need, just a matter of taking it one step at a time to supply power to the HDD, then supply power to the Syba adapter, then connect the data cable, and finally connect the adapter and HDD together.
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May 21, 2013 6:26:41 PM

John_VanKirk said:
Best to check over the PSU adapter cables, and the cables that came with the Syba adapter.
The Syba adapter comes in the box with a "small-large 4 pin Y adapter cable to adapt from a std 4 pin molex connector to the std berg connector.

Also your Corsair 600 80 Plus PSU is modular. It comes with four std 4 pin molex cables, as well as one floppy berg cable. If you haven't used all them, you should have them in the PSU box or stored away. So all the cables you need should be available for the HDD, and adapter. Of course it comes with several SATA cables also which, as noted, you can adapt if needed

Looks like you have everything you need, just a matter of taking it one step at a time to supply power to the HDD, then supply power to the Syba adapter, then connect the data cable, and finally connect the adapter and HDD together.

So at this point I need to poke around and see what I can find. Thanks so much for the help guys. I'll post back in a couple days if I still can't find it and need more help.

You have helped me a lot and I really thank you for your time.
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