MATX Board for Intel I5-3570K

[fretman]

Hi Folks,
I'm putting together my first computer ever and I need your help to find a motherboard for my build. I will be going with a Micro factor and the Intel I5-3570K. The reason for this CPU is for the HD4000 graphics. I don't plan right now on using a discrete graphics card. However, I do need a motherboard that will fully support the HD4000 graphics. I was just about to pick up any board that supported the CPU but then I read somewhere that the board has to be compatibile with the HD4000 graphics on the CPU. Can some of you recommend a MATX board to support this CPU and to take advantage of the graphics.
Thanks.

 

[Paul Raver]

If the board can accept the CPU it will work with the HD4000 graphics.
As there the same part, HD4000 graphics cpu integrated.

 

[completelyrandomname]

Whatever you heard was incorrect. Form factor is only the size of the motherboard. Any motherboard will support the CPU integrated graphics. Since you are using an i5 3570k you will want a Z77 motherboard to overclock it. I suggest the following:

-ASrock Z77 Extreme4
-ASUS P8Z77-V LK
-Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H

 

[lunyone]

If your looking for good iGPU, you might consider an AMD APU, since they have a much better iGPU than any iGPU that Intel offers. Obviously it's CPU portion is about 80-95% of the speed of the i5 3570, but it's an option (if you haven't already thought of it) to consider.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($125.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus F2A85-M PRO Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($67.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $293.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-15 20:33 EDT-0400)

* Best AMD APU right now and it can OC too.
* Mobo has just about anything you might want.
* RAM is faster than 1600 mHz, which helps the onboard GPU to run faster.
* Best iGPU out on the market, so you will have a better gaming experience when/if you need it.
* APU and Mobo are the cost of the i5 3570k by itself.

If you sticking with the i5 3570k than I'd recommend the AsRock z77 Extreme 4 Mobo.

 

[dalethepcman]

Previous posters are mostly correct, anything that supports the socket will support the GPU. In previous generation motherboards the PCH was not incorporated into the higher end chipsets. This is no longer the case as all chipsets created that support that CPU also come with a PCH.

(see Ibex Peak vs Tylersburg chipsets)

BTW, I have one of these, and they are great.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131830

 

[fretman]

Thanks to everyone for their replies...very helpful.
I don't plan on doing any overclocking. I was going to try and save $20 by just going with the I-3570 but that only has the HD2500 graphics.

I guess my misunderstanding was that certain motherboards will peoduce better graphics performance. So is there something on the motherboard specs that I should be loohing for? I see some Z77 and H76...stuff like that but I'm really not sure what the differences are.

Thanks.

 

[lunyone]

H77 if your not OC'ing and Z77 to have all of the options that you might need. But if your buying the i5 3570k (just for the 4000 GPU) than the z77 based mobo would make the most sense. That way you have all of the options that you would possibly need and not have to upgrade the Mobo later, if you decide you want more options.

$90 shipped!
ASRock Z77 Pro4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

$74 shipped!
ASRock H77M LGA 1155 Intel H77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

I'm not sure why you need the 4000 iGPU, but obviously you want if for the graphics capability. This is why I suggested the AMD APU, because it has a much better iGPU. It's up to you on what you want to do, but if I wanted a good graphics experience I would opt for the AMD APU or even a cheaper CPU w/a dedicated GPU, like below:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($87.24 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $257.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-15 22:48 EDT-0400)

 

[completelyrandomname]

H77 if your not OC'ing and Z77 to have all of the options that you might need. But if your buying the i5 3570k (just for the 4000 GPU) than the z77 based mobo would make the most sense. That way you have all of the options that you would possibly need and not have to upgrade the Mobo later, if you decide you want more options.

$90 shipped!
ASRock Z77 Pro4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

$74 shipped!
ASRock H77M LGA 1155 Intel H77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

I'm not sure why you need the 4000 iGPU, but obviously you want if for the graphics capability. This is why I suggested the AMD APU, because it has a much better iGPU. It's up to you on what you want to do, but if I wanted a good graphics experience I would opt for the AMD APU or even a cheaper CPU w/a dedicated GPU, like below:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($87.24 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $257.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-15 22:48 EDT-0400)

He wants to use the integrated graphics until he can get an actual graphics card. If you are not overclocking then get the 3570S or the 3475S which offer the Intel 4000 graphics. If you can then i suggest you wait a bit and buy a Haswell CPU instead. These will offer significantly better graphics performance and it should be only $5 or $10 more expensive.

 

[lunyone]

H77 if your not OC'ing and Z77 to have all of the options that you might need. But if your buying the i5 3570k (just for the 4000 GPU) than the z77 based mobo would make the most sense. That way you have all of the options that you would possibly need and not have to upgrade the Mobo later, if you decide you want more options.

$90 shipped!
ASRock Z77 Pro4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

$74 shipped!
ASRock H77M LGA 1155 Intel H77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

I'm not sure why you need the 4000 iGPU, but obviously you want if for the graphics capability. This is why I suggested the AMD APU, because it has a much better iGPU. It's up to you on what you want to do, but if I wanted a good graphics experience I would opt for the AMD APU or even a cheaper CPU w/a dedicated GPU, like below:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($87.24 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $257.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-15 22:48 EDT-0400)

He wants to use the integrated graphics until he can get an actual graphics card. If you are not overclocking then get the 3570S or the 3475S which offer the Intel 4000 graphics. If you can then i suggest you wait a bit and buy a Haswell CPU instead. These will offer significantly better graphics performance and it should be only $5 or $10 more expensive.

Yes it's true (at least from the early performance slide shows being released) that Haswell will be a better performer for graphics. All I'm saying is that if the OP needs some graphics power on the cheap, there are plenty of options to do that (and in most cases cheaper than just the 3570k).

 

[fretman]

Thanks again for your responses and your build suggestions. I never even gave the AMD any thought but will now definitely look into it. I should have mentioned that my primary objective for this machine is performance. My current machine takes about 7 minutes to load the OS and another 3 minutes just to launch Explorer. I'm sure some of that is due to so much crap on my machine being accumalated over the last 7 years. Will now research the AMD chip for more info.

 

[lunyone]

Thanks again for your responses and your build suggestions. I never even gave the AMD any thought but will now definitely look into it. I should have mentioned that my primary objective for this machine is performance. My current machine takes about 7 minutes to load the OS and another 3 minutes just to launch Explorer. I'm sure some of that is due to so much crap on my machine being accumalated over the last 7 years. Will now research the AMD chip for more info.

An SSD will also quicken load times and movement within and around the OS, so keep that in mind. You could get the AMD APU I listed w/a Mobo for the price of the 3570k and then add a 120-128 gb SSD for about $100 (still within the $350 budget) and you have a quick and responsive setup w/decent iGPU too. Or the 2nd build w/the Ph II x4 965 BE with the dedicated GPU.

Example:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($95.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $334.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-16 12:27 EDT-0400)

Compared to your initial option:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $344.98
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-16 12:28 EDT-0400)

 

[fretman]

Sorry folks...change of plans. For my new build, I'm going to use my current video card and not rely on the CPU graphics. My current video card is not that current. It's about 6 years old but I think it's still better than any of the CPU graphics out there. My card is the Nvidia 8800 GTS. So I believe this will rule out any of the AMD suggestions that were given because now I want a CPU that will give me performance. I still haven't decided on Windows 7 or Windows 8. I'm running Vista PRO 64-bit right now. I think I'm settled on the MATX case at least. It's gonna be the Fractal ARC MINI. I heard only good things about Gigabyte boards but not so good things about the MSI boards. The ASROCK boards I've heard both good and bad. I'm still thinking of a minimum 8gb of ram and I think I will definitely go with at least a SDD...not sure about capacity though. Right now, I have a 500gb hard drive and over the last 5 years since I got my machine, I still have 250gb free space. This is gonna be a fun venture. I just wish I wasn't so indecisive. But anyways, it's still fun researching all these parts and reading up on them. You learn quite a lot this way.

Cheers to all.

 

[completelyrandomname]

The 8800GTS will be faster than any integrated graphics as of May 16 2013.

The Fractal case is a very good case.

Over time you will hear bad and good things about every company. ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, ASrock tend to have positive reviews though.

For the SSD buy the highest capacity you can afford.

 

[lunyone]

2 OC'ing options:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $363.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-16 22:26 EDT-0400)

or Intel:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $408.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-16 22:28 EDT-0400)

or Non-OC'ing option:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($178.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $332.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-16 22:29 EDT-0400)

 

[fretman]

So I went to my local computer store online and was looking at the Intel CPU prices and information. The I-3570K is $220. Then I looked at the AMD processors and the highest priced one was only $199. This was the
AMD X8 FX-8350 (125W) Eight-Core Socket AM3+, 4GHz CPU, 8Mb Cache, 32nm. The specs look to be better than the Intel? I'm wondering now whether I should go with this one?

 

[completelyrandomname]

The 8350 is the main competitor to the 3570k. The 3570k is more energy efficient and is more powerful. However it is also more expensive and there is no upgrade path for it. Also the equivalently matched motherboards are a bit cheaper as well. If you can then get the 3570k if not then the 8350 should serve you well.

 

[lunyone]

So I went to my local computer store online and was looking at the Intel CPU prices and information. The I-3570K is $220. Then I looked at the AMD processors and the highest priced one was only $199. This was the
AMD X8 FX-8350 (125W) Eight-Core Socket AM3+, 4GHz CPU, 8Mb Cache, 32nm. The specs look to be better than the Intel? I'm wondering now whether I should go with this one?

The i5 3570k's competitor is the AMD FX 8350. Either CPU is a good option, but the AMD mobo chipset will last longer, since socket 1155 (Ivy Bridge) is no longer having new CPU's made for it. Haswell is coming out next month (socket 1150) and requires a new mobo for it. It's up to you which one to use, but for the $ the FX 8350 is a better buy, but not worth returning the i5 3570k for, unless you have NO restocking fee associated with it.

 

[fretman]

Thanks for the info on the AMD 8350. I didn't buy anything yet. I'm still researching and taking in the responses from everyone here. Once I decide on everything, I'll list the components and hopefully everyone here can offer some tweaking if necessary.

 

[completelyrandomname]

Sounds good.

 

[lunyone]

Good! Do your own research and take any/all information and make an informed decision!

Some links to consider:

AMD FX 8350 OC vs i5 3570k OC : The Battle Continues

AMD FX 8350 VS i5 3570K Delidded Single gpu and Crossfire GPU

8350 vs 3570k vs 3770k vs 3820 in gaming

 

[fretman]

After some more thought and researching I have decided to wait and see what the new Haswell chip has to offer. Judging by the expected pricing, I may build my system around that. Thanks again to everyone for their responses. This thread can now be closed.

 

[completelyrandomname]

Glad we could help, just select the best solution to close it.

 

[fretman]

Will do.