Windows 8 more restrictive/annoying than 7 or less?

It sounds like 8 is a little like Vista when it comes to including more (to many IMO) Permissions.

Permissions are one of the main reasons I skipped Vista and may be the reason I skip 8, although I haven't made up my mind yet.

Prohibitive permissions are IMO something the Owner/Administrator should have the ability to enable but, I don't like it when they are all enabled by default and you have to jump through all kinds of hoops to use your OS the way you want to.

I can't stand UAC in windows 7 and I do (and always will) run with it disabled. I use a good anti-virus, malware, rootkit, spyware software and I keep complete offline back ups in case they are necessary, as well as using Acronis "try and decide" if I am engaging in what I consider particularly risky behavior.

I have never had to use my back up because of a virus, malware etc. and my Acronis "try and decide" hasn't proved to be necessary (yet) for the same reasons.

So although I like to be safe, I can't stand an OS that I own always second guessing my actions. If I didn't really want to make a particular choice, I wouldn't have made it in the first place.

To me it's equivalent to turning the steering wheel of a car you own to the left and having the car ask "are you sure you want to turn left" or "Do you want to allow this car to make a left hand turn down an unknown road". Simply unacceptable!

So, my question is, considering what I've written Do you think I would find 8 more restrictive/annoying than 7 or less?
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  1. UAC is the Windows equivilant to sudo . It is there to help those users that may not know what software should run and make them aware as much as it can of potentially harmful software.

    Imagine if this weren't in place and you were able to install any software you want willy nilly and then screw over your business because a random user had access to your machine.

    I assume from your post you have never used Linux else I don't think you would have made a claim as such. I believe, with my limited use of the OS, this is one of the reasons why it is implemented as firewall and security software OS rather than Windows or Mac Server (LOL). UAC essentially is a security measure to help users that don't know what they're doing hesitate from breaking system settings that need to be modified very particularily.

    95% of the added software issues I fix on a daily basis is because the Admin and standard user accounts are never used correctly on a Windows system and most people disable UAC because it warns them when a system change is being made... it's a good thing. It's the same thing as a Danger High Voltage sign. Just cause you know how electricity works, should you grab those lines and ignore the sign?
  2. I have never seen someone miss the point of a post so thoroughly in all my time posting here. You never answered or even attempted to answer the question I was asking in any way shape or form.

    All you did was rail on and on about how UAC can be useful for less experienced users.

    I was not asking if UAC or other permissions were useful for the general public, I was asking if I would find "Windows 8 more restrictive/annoying than 7 or less?" for me. I only gave a description of my feelings on UAC and other permissions so someone that responded would have an accurate view of how I felt about them and therefore be able to give the best assessment but, you seem to have missed the point entirely.

    I also have fixed many other peoples computers although I have not as of late and have limited knowledge of win 8 so, I thought I would ask an honest question and provide enough background to get a constructive answer.

    I never said that everyone should use their PC with wide open permissions, only that I know enough about computers that I don't need my OS second guessing my every move. I have very few issues using my PC that way and I'm sorry you don't.

    It sounds like you need a Mac but, if you come over to my house I might let you use my (very) limited Guest account.
  3. Speaking strictly from a power users perspective, I would agree. UAC does get in the way. Problem is, Microsoft does not build operating systems strictly for power users. They build them for everyone. Unfortunately, the vast majority of users are complete idiots when it comes to computers and technology. I can't count how many people (non-technically savvy people) I've spoken to about the dangers lurking online and how easy it can be to infect your computer with something who have no idea how to identify what is real and what isn't.

    UAC is an absolutely wonderful idea that Microsoft should have implemented WAY before the days of Vista. That said, I think they did make it a bit too aggressive. There are some things that really don't need prompts from UAC that we currently get them for. If Microsoft dials this back a bit, everyone (even power users) could run with UAC on all the time and get the security benefit from it that Microsoft intended.

    Now whether it is more or less annoying in 8 versus 7 isn't something I can really speak to. I turned it off in Vista and left it off when I moved to 7, and then eventually to 8 last August. Anecdotally, I can say that the people who seem most frustrated by it, are the people who know what they are doing on their machines to begin with. The casual user who has to call me for tech support isn't generally bothered by it. I don't seem to get any more complaints about UAC in 8 than I did in 7 though.
  4. Well as long as it's no worse that's the important thing. Incidentally I'm not just asking about UAC but, restrictions/permissions in general.

    Restrictions/permissions aside do you think it's better over all than 7?
  5. Personally, I love Windows 8. It took me about an hour to get the hang of the Start Screen during the beta stages and now I can find stuff faster than on a Windows 7 machine. The Start Screen works the same way as the Start Menu did, it just looks different.

    Aside from UAC though, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at when you say restrictions/permissions. They seem to be almost identical to Windows 7 at first glance speaking in really general terms. Perhaps if you point me to something more specific I can provide you the kind of feedback you want?
  6. Well I guess mostly things like locked files that a more experienced user may want to access, ease of adding someone or group to some kind of access, which actually just made me think of something. How easily does Win 8 network with other windows versions. For instance with windows 7 I had no problem sharing with other 7 PC's and I could be rather specific about which 7 PC's I wanted to share (network) with, however if the other PC was XP I had to set the permissions in 7 to everyone which is a little (whole lot) more open than I like.

    But anyway yes things like that. I don't mind it to much as long as there is an easy safe way around it and to be honest 7 was a little more annoying in that regard than XP (I skipped vista) but, overall I think 7 is a far superior OS. That kind of sounds like what your saying about 8 (being superior) when compared to 7 am I correct?

    I would add more about restrictions and permissions But, other than anything that would cause windows to say you don't have permission I really don't know, which is why I'm asking.

    7 did annoying little things like hiding command prompt but adding a hidden mscomfig among other things. But I don't know what to ask about for 8 other than I heard that 8 was more restrictive or maybe controlling is a better word and I was wondering how true that was.
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    I think overall it is a superior OS, but you have to get past the shock of a different UI. That said, the one thing I do hope Microsoft does change with the release of 8.1 is giving non-touchscreen users to ability to boot directly to the desktop again. Mildly annoying for me, but an extra click to get to my desktop is not something I am going to lose sleep over.

    In terms of file and folder share permissions, 8 works basically the same way 7 did. Both manual and when using a HomeGroup (which for some reason doesn't work at my place, but does at my parent's house although it didn't work for me in 7 and still doesn't in 8, so I'm thinking that the problem lies with my router, not my computers).

    One of the machines at my parent's place is still running 7 and I can see it from my Windows 8 machine just fine, without having to open up the permissions completely. I have the same problem you mentioned above when ever I deal with an XP machine. I hate having to give 'Everyone' full control rights to share a folder with or from an XP computer, but between 8, 7, and Vista machines, folder sharing on the LAN seems to work properly.
  8. Well thanks, "The_Prophecy" you've answered pretty much every thing I wanted to know. I've also heard there is some kind of work around for the UI and I've heard switching back to an earlier OS requires more work than it should both of which I consider a pain but, it sounds like overall it's still worth it.

    One last question though, is there a problem using both 7 & 8 in a separate dual boot scenario? I think I read that some were having issues with that.
  9. There are programs out there which re-skin the Windows 8 UI to look more like Windows 7 (specifically adding a Start button, and hiding the Start Screen in favor of the old Start Menu). I tried a couple and didn't like them, so I went back to running 8 with no alterations. Reverting back to Windows 7 if you set up Windows 8 is impossible without having to reinstall Windows 7 from scratch (unless you continue reading and set your installs up as described below, then it gets much easier)

    I would suggest when setting up the dual boot environment, install each version on separate hard drives, and disconnect all hard drives present in the system except the one you are installing that copy of Windows to. Once you are ready to do the second one, disconnect the first drive with the copy of Windows you just set up.

    If anything happens to the boot loader (or the hard drive itself that the boot loader is running from), it can be a major headache to get access to the other Windows version.

    To clarify, say you have 3 drives (I'll call them A, B, and C). A and B are the Windows install drives and C is a data drive. Lets say you want to start with Windows 8. Physically disconnect drives B and C from the system. Boot the Windows 8 install disk and set up the OS. Once complete, shut down and physically disconnect drive A. Now reconnect drive B (drive C should stay disconnected until the installs are done) and set up Windows 7.

    Now when you boot up, you should have a key (most systems generally use F8, or F12) that gives you a boot menu where you can pick which specific hard drive you want to boot from. Be sure to set the boot order in the BIOS so that you boot to the drive (and thus OS) you will use most often. When you need to get back into the other OS, restart, hit the key that brings up the menu and select the other drive to boot from.

    If you've done any research online about setting this up, you may also come across warnings about the order in which you install versions of Windows (start with the oldest version and move forward) In this context, the install order does not matter. This only comes into play when you are setting up Windows copies on the same drive with multiple partitions and using one boot loader, or setting up Windows copies on separate drives with only one boot loader. In my suggested example above, you have separate drives, but each OS uses it's own boot loader instead of melding them into one.
  10. Well that was a painfully honest answer, but at least I have good info on dual boot with 8 if needed. Thanks for all your replies!
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